Hook and What is Spielberg's worst film?
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As for AI, it has some great moments but also a lot of awful ones, like Dr. Know and the robot carnival or whatever the hell that was meant to be. And of course Spielberg couldn't help but totally fuck it all up by giving it a happy ending.
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Indiana Jones and the Castle of The Crystal Skull is amongst one of the worst movies I've ever seen period. The Terminal was an interesting idea but the whole movie was a fucking commercial.
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When you can't even get the name of the movie correct, I wonder if you even saw it. And I also wonder if you've seen many movies. I could name 100 movies that are worse.
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:sigh: It is depressing how to this day people still misunderstand this film. Happy ending? Seriously? It is one of the saddest endings Spielberg has ever filmed.
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Hook is one of his worst but I always really disliked The Lost World. I can barely make it through the entire thing and it's one of his biggest disappointments. I can't speak for 1941 as I haven't seen it. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is bad and not up to par with the other Indy movies but I can find enough to like in it that I don't hate it. Plus I blame it's shortcomings on George Lucas more than anyone.
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I didn't misunderstand the ending. The kid gets to fall asleep and dream happily forever after. In Kubrick's version, he gets the one day with his mom and then is subjected to tests by the advanced robots for the rest of eternity. I don't see how Speilberg's ending can be seen as anything but happy in that context.
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Do you have a link to any source regarding that "Kubrick version"? Every source I've read is that the ending of the finnished film is exactly the ending Kubrick wanted. He even had a falling out with the screenwriter who was writing the revision; and the falling out was about this ending. She felt it was too sentimental. Flaws and all the ending is what Kubrick wanted.
The most substantial part of the final film that was "filled in" by Spielberg is the second act. The flesh fair and Rouge City stuff was only loosely defined by Kubrick, so Spielberg did some work on it. Spielberg's fingerprints are much more obvious on those sections...which are the worst part of the film.
The most substantial part of the final film that was "filled in" by Spielberg is the second act. The flesh fair and Rouge City stuff was only loosely defined by Kubrick, so Spielberg did some work on it. Spielberg's fingerprints are much more obvious on those sections...which are the worst part of the film.
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Actually, the falling out with the screenwriter was that the screenwriter felt you couldn't pull the rug out on the audience the way Kubrick wanted to. She wanted the sentimental ending, not him.
Also, this thread made me finally sit down and watch Munich. It's not Spielberg's best, but it's pretty good.
Also, this thread made me finally sit down and watch Munich. It's not Spielberg's best, but it's pretty good.
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For me, Munich is the best thing Spielberg has done since Raiders of the Lost Ark. That said, I haven't seen A.I., Schindler's List, or The Color Purple.
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Hook is awful. It was on TV a few months ago and holy crap, it's terrible. Very weak story, very slow, Julia Roberts at her obnoxious peak and cheap production (which I always thought was very strange for a Spielberg film).
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Swinging with the monkeys anyone?
I don't know which is his worst although 'The Lost World' was terrible.
I'm guessing it would come down to TLW, Hook, Indy4, or War Horse.
Of course, I haven't seen it yet but the trailer is laughably bad.
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HOOK: I was put off by its excess, but my daughter, 8 years old at the time, was clearly moved by it and reached over to give me a spontaneous hug when it was over. That counts for something.
1941 and KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL are two of my favorite Spielberg films. Why? Because they were funny. Are they good movies? Not particularly. But they're among the few Spielberg movies that didn't annoy me or offend me in some way. They were just straight-out unalloyed fun. And what's wrong with that? Rare enough to get something like that from such a self-important director.
I didn't like AI or MINORITY REPORT, but they were interesting failures, with some ideas that were worth exploring, although Spielberg overdid things, as usual. I was quite impressed with AI's opening 40 minutes, in particular.
THE TERMINAL is still his worst, although THE LOST WORLD is close.
I'm not eager to see either of the new ones.
1941 and KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL are two of my favorite Spielberg films. Why? Because they were funny. Are they good movies? Not particularly. But they're among the few Spielberg movies that didn't annoy me or offend me in some way. They were just straight-out unalloyed fun. And what's wrong with that? Rare enough to get something like that from such a self-important director.
I didn't like AI or MINORITY REPORT, but they were interesting failures, with some ideas that were worth exploring, although Spielberg overdid things, as usual. I was quite impressed with AI's opening 40 minutes, in particular.
THE TERMINAL is still his worst, although THE LOST WORLD is close.
I'm not eager to see either of the new ones.
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Actually, the falling out with the screenwriter was that the screenwriter felt you couldn't pull the rug out on the audience the way Kubrick wanted to. She wanted the sentimental ending, not him.
Also, this thread made me finally sit down and watch Munich. It's not Spielberg's best, but it's pretty good.
Also, this thread made me finally sit down and watch Munich. It's not Spielberg's best, but it's pretty good.
Hopefully someone can find the AI article writen by Kurbrick's writing colaborator Sara Maitland. The ending is absolutely Kubrick's. She and Kubrick actually had a split regarding the ending. She so disliked it that they stopped working together. It's a divisive ending, but people are foolish to blame Spielberg. Controversy over the ending had been going on long before the film was ever made. Further, there are storyboards commissioned by Kubrick depicting the robot excavation of the ice and the extraction of the boy and ferris wheel.
Okay here it is: http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/faq/index2.html#slot14
Remember that these quotes are from 1999, before Kubrick's death! The ending was a controversy even then. So don't blame Spielberg.
And here's the important part:
Here's the storyboard http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/faq/html/ai.html
Okay here it is: http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/faq/index2.html#slot14
Remember that these quotes are from 1999, before Kubrick's death! The ending was a controversy even then. So don't blame Spielberg.
And here's the important part:
At the story's conclusion, the robots that have inherited the Earth use David's memories to reconstruct, in virtual form, the apartment where he had lived with his parents. Because his memories are subjective, the mother is much more vividly realized than the father, and his stepsister's room is not there at all; it is just a hole in the wall.
For Ms. Maitland, the film would end with David preparing a Bloody Mary for his mother, the juice a brighter red than in real life: "He hears her voice, and that's it. We don't see him turn to see her." Kubrick, however, wanted a coda in which the new race of robots, because of a technological limitation, cannot keep the mother alive after reviving her. The movie would end with David in his mother's bedroom, watching her slowly disappear.
Ms. Maitland was displeased this scenario, and was furious with Kubrick for insisting on it. "It must have been a very strong visual thing for him," she says, "because he wasn't usually stupid about story. He hired me because I knew about fairy stories, but would not listen when I told him, 'You can have a failed quest, but you can't have an achieved quest and no reward.' "
For Ms. Maitland, the film would end with David preparing a Bloody Mary for his mother, the juice a brighter red than in real life: "He hears her voice, and that's it. We don't see him turn to see her." Kubrick, however, wanted a coda in which the new race of robots, because of a technological limitation, cannot keep the mother alive after reviving her. The movie would end with David in his mother's bedroom, watching her slowly disappear.
Ms. Maitland was displeased this scenario, and was furious with Kubrick for insisting on it. "It must have been a very strong visual thing for him," she says, "because he wasn't usually stupid about story. He hired me because I knew about fairy stories, but would not listen when I told him, 'You can have a failed quest, but you can't have an achieved quest and no reward.' "
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I don't have time to go into much detail, but I find a touch of sadism in some Spielberg movies. He likes to toy with innocent characters in ways I find repellent. I'll give one example. In THE LOST WORLD, the dinosaur toys with the people in the trailer before killing them in a way that a dinosaur wouldn't but that Spielberg would. Spielberg seems to take great glee in it. There were moments in SCHINDLER'S LIST and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN that really disturbed me in this regard. I doubt anyone else here would agree with me, so I'm going to leave it at that. I would need to see the films again to give the necessary details to make my point, and I'm not going to do that anytime soon. (I do plan to watch the opening of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN again at some point to compare its portrayal of OMAHA BEACH with other films about that combat.)



