Tangled (Disney, 2010) - The Official Reviews Thread
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1. I thought that Zach Levy did a great job as Flynn Rider (although you really could have inserted any one of several actors into the role).
2. To me the movie borrowed more heavily from Tarzan is terms of character design and animation style due to Glen Keane having a hand in it as an Animation Director and Supervising Animator. This is the first time that Glen has had a hand in a Disney film since Treasure Planet. However, for the story elements, yeah, they ripped alot of that stuff from other fare like Little Mermaid.
I will see this in theaters again and be adding it to the collection once its released.
2. To me the movie borrowed more heavily from Tarzan is terms of character design and animation style due to Glen Keane having a hand in it as an Animation Director and Supervising Animator. This is the first time that Glen has had a hand in a Disney film since Treasure Planet. However, for the story elements, yeah, they ripped alot of that stuff from other fare like Little Mermaid.
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Great movie. The showing my family and I went to was sold out. Kids, teens and adults all seemed to have a fun time.
I think there could have been a few less songs, but the plot and action never let up - all in all a very good movie, I give it * * * 1/2 stars and will pick it up on DVD.
-- Article of interest from L.A. Times:
Disney Animation is closing the book on fairy tales
'Tangled' will be the last such movie it makes for the foreseeable future. The studio is aiming for wider appeal.
Once upon a time, there was a studio in Burbank that spun classic fairy tales into silver-screen gold.
But now the curtain is falling on "princess movies," which have been a part of Disney Animation's heritage since the 1937 debut of its first feature film, "Snow White." The studio's Wednesday release of "Tangled," a contemporary retelling of the Rapunzel story, will be the last fairy tale produced by Disney's animation group for the foreseeable future.
"Films and genres do run a course," said Pixar Animation Studios chief Ed Catmull, who along with director John Lasseter oversees Disney Animation. "They may come back later because someone has a fresh take on it … but we don't have any other musicals or fairy tales lined up." Indeed, Catmull and Lasseter killed two other fairy tale movies that had been in development, "The Snow Queen" and "Jack and the Beanstalk."
To appreciate what a sea change this is for the company, consider that a fairy tale castle is a landmark at Disney theme parks around the world and is embedded in the Walt Disney Pictures logo. Fairy tale characters from Disney's movies populate the parks, drive sales of merchandise and serve as the inspiration for Broadway musicals.
Alas, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Ariel, Jasmine and the other Disney royals were all born in the 20th century. Now, different kinds of Disney characters are elbowing their way into the megaplexes and toy aisles, including Pixar's "Toy Story" buddies Buzz Lightyear and Woody, Capt. Jack Sparrow from "Pirates of the Caribbean" and a platoon of superheroes from the recent acquisition of Marvel Entertainment.
Over the decades, Disney has benefited from the ticket sales and licensing revenue generated by such princess-driven properties as "The Little Mermaid," "Beauty and the Beast" and "Aladdin." The studio's most recent offering, however, was a clear disappointment. Although critically acclaimed, last year's "The Princess and the Frog" was the most poorly performing of Disney's recent fairy tales.
In the age of mega-franchises when movies need to appeal to a broad audience to justify a sizable investment, Disney discovered too late that "Princess and the Frog" appealed to too narrow an audience: little girls. This prompted the studio to change the name of its Rapunzel movie to the gender-neutral "Tangled" and shift the lens of its marketing to the film's swashbuckling male costar, Flynn Rider.
Disney hopes "Tangled" will draw boys, teenagers and adults to the theater, succeeding where its frog-prince saga failed. But it's taking no such chances in the future. Its current animation roster includes "Winnie the Pooh," a return to the Hundred Acre Wood, and "Reboot Ralph" — itself a restart of an older project titled "Joe Jump" — about an outdated video game character who's been left behind by the march of technology.
Catmull said he and Lasseter have been encouraging filmmakers to break with safe and predictable formulas and push creative boundaries.
"If you say to somebody, 'You should be doing fairy tales,' it's like saying, 'Don't be risky,'" Catmull said. "We're saying, 'Tell us what's driving you.'"
So why has the clock struck midnight for Disney's fairy tales?
Among girls, princesses and the romanticized ideal they represent — revolving around finding the man of your dreams — have a limited shelf life. With the advent of "tween" TV, the tiara-wearing ideal of femininity has been supplanted by new adolescent role models such as the Disney Channel's Selena Gomez and Nickelodeon's Miranda Cosgrove.
"By the time they're 5 or 6, they're not interested in being princesses," said Dafna Lemish, chairwoman of the radio and TV department at Southern Illinois University and an expert in the role of media in children's lives. "They're interested in being hot, in being cool. Clearly, they see this is what society values."
MGA Entertainment, the maker of Bratz dolls, knocked the toy industry's blond bombshell off her stilettos by recognizing how little girls' interests have morphed.
"You've got to go with the times," MGA Chief Executive Isaac Larian said. "You can't keep selling what the mothers and the fathers played with before. You've got to see life through their lens."
Other filmmakers have been grappling with this evolving sensibility.
Bonnie Arnold, an animation veteran who most recently produced DreamWorks Animation's "How to Train Your Dragon," said animated films must vie in the cineplex with effects-laden action films that a generation ago might have been considered more mature fare.
"You see elementary school kids standing in line to see 'Iron Man' or 'Transformers,' " Arnold said. "To be honest, that's who we're all competing with on some level."
In an effort to give the Rapunzel story a more contemporary feel, Catmull and Lasseter pushed the reset button in 2008 and brought in a new directing duo who had both worked on Disney's animated movie "Bolt." The Rapunzel film underwent a "total restart," Catmull said: All the prior work was scrapped and the movie was reconceived as a musical with five songs by Disney's veteran, multiple-Oscar-winning composer Alan Menken.
The only surviving elements, Catmull said, were "the hair, the tower and Rapunzel."
Directors Nathan Greno and Byron Howard blended the hallmarks of the classic Disney tale — including sweeping musical numbers and a happily-ever-after ending — with fast-paced action and witty banter associated with more modern animated films.
"If we were told we would one day grow up and direct the 50th animated feature from Disney, it would blow our minds. It's such a great honor," Greno said. "At the same time, it comes with some challenges.... We love classic Disney, but we wanted to invent fresh, new and exciting ideas."
For example, instead of the requisite prince, the directors designed the romantic male lead as a wise-cracking thief who mixes it up with bandits and beer-swilling thugs. The villain, Mother Gothel, isn't the enchantress of the Grimm tale. She's an incarnation of "Mommie Dearest."
In one of the film's musical numbers, "Mother Knows Best," Mother Gothel tells Rapunzel she's "getting kind of chubby" — a line lifted directly from a real-life mother-daughter exchange recounted during a story brainstorming session.
Disney instructed Menken to depart from the heavy Broadway musical-type scoring he made famous in "The Little Mermaid" and "Beauty and the Beast." So the composer borrowed from leaner singer-songwriters of the late 1960s, including Joni Mitchell.
"It's more like handmade music rather than too over-produced," Howard said. "You'll hear a lot of guitar music, especially when Rapunzel is singing.... That was a nice way to break away from what [Menken] had done."
Catmull acknowledges that Disney has a lot riding on the success of "Tangled." The film faces several challenges, not the least of which is that it opens five days after what is expected to be the biggest family event movie of the season, "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1." The stakes are particularly high for "Tangled," which by some estimates cost more than $260 million to produce, including six years of development costs.
"On an emotional and morale level," Catmull said. "We really want this to do well and really want the public to like it."
I think there could have been a few less songs, but the plot and action never let up - all in all a very good movie, I give it * * * 1/2 stars and will pick it up on DVD.
-- Article of interest from L.A. Times:
Disney Animation is closing the book on fairy tales
'Tangled' will be the last such movie it makes for the foreseeable future. The studio is aiming for wider appeal.
Once upon a time, there was a studio in Burbank that spun classic fairy tales into silver-screen gold.
But now the curtain is falling on "princess movies," which have been a part of Disney Animation's heritage since the 1937 debut of its first feature film, "Snow White." The studio's Wednesday release of "Tangled," a contemporary retelling of the Rapunzel story, will be the last fairy tale produced by Disney's animation group for the foreseeable future.
"Films and genres do run a course," said Pixar Animation Studios chief Ed Catmull, who along with director John Lasseter oversees Disney Animation. "They may come back later because someone has a fresh take on it … but we don't have any other musicals or fairy tales lined up." Indeed, Catmull and Lasseter killed two other fairy tale movies that had been in development, "The Snow Queen" and "Jack and the Beanstalk."
To appreciate what a sea change this is for the company, consider that a fairy tale castle is a landmark at Disney theme parks around the world and is embedded in the Walt Disney Pictures logo. Fairy tale characters from Disney's movies populate the parks, drive sales of merchandise and serve as the inspiration for Broadway musicals.
Alas, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Ariel, Jasmine and the other Disney royals were all born in the 20th century. Now, different kinds of Disney characters are elbowing their way into the megaplexes and toy aisles, including Pixar's "Toy Story" buddies Buzz Lightyear and Woody, Capt. Jack Sparrow from "Pirates of the Caribbean" and a platoon of superheroes from the recent acquisition of Marvel Entertainment.
Over the decades, Disney has benefited from the ticket sales and licensing revenue generated by such princess-driven properties as "The Little Mermaid," "Beauty and the Beast" and "Aladdin." The studio's most recent offering, however, was a clear disappointment. Although critically acclaimed, last year's "The Princess and the Frog" was the most poorly performing of Disney's recent fairy tales.
In the age of mega-franchises when movies need to appeal to a broad audience to justify a sizable investment, Disney discovered too late that "Princess and the Frog" appealed to too narrow an audience: little girls. This prompted the studio to change the name of its Rapunzel movie to the gender-neutral "Tangled" and shift the lens of its marketing to the film's swashbuckling male costar, Flynn Rider.
Disney hopes "Tangled" will draw boys, teenagers and adults to the theater, succeeding where its frog-prince saga failed. But it's taking no such chances in the future. Its current animation roster includes "Winnie the Pooh," a return to the Hundred Acre Wood, and "Reboot Ralph" — itself a restart of an older project titled "Joe Jump" — about an outdated video game character who's been left behind by the march of technology.
Catmull said he and Lasseter have been encouraging filmmakers to break with safe and predictable formulas and push creative boundaries.
"If you say to somebody, 'You should be doing fairy tales,' it's like saying, 'Don't be risky,'" Catmull said. "We're saying, 'Tell us what's driving you.'"
So why has the clock struck midnight for Disney's fairy tales?
Among girls, princesses and the romanticized ideal they represent — revolving around finding the man of your dreams — have a limited shelf life. With the advent of "tween" TV, the tiara-wearing ideal of femininity has been supplanted by new adolescent role models such as the Disney Channel's Selena Gomez and Nickelodeon's Miranda Cosgrove.
"By the time they're 5 or 6, they're not interested in being princesses," said Dafna Lemish, chairwoman of the radio and TV department at Southern Illinois University and an expert in the role of media in children's lives. "They're interested in being hot, in being cool. Clearly, they see this is what society values."
MGA Entertainment, the maker of Bratz dolls, knocked the toy industry's blond bombshell off her stilettos by recognizing how little girls' interests have morphed.
"You've got to go with the times," MGA Chief Executive Isaac Larian said. "You can't keep selling what the mothers and the fathers played with before. You've got to see life through their lens."
Other filmmakers have been grappling with this evolving sensibility.
Bonnie Arnold, an animation veteran who most recently produced DreamWorks Animation's "How to Train Your Dragon," said animated films must vie in the cineplex with effects-laden action films that a generation ago might have been considered more mature fare.
"You see elementary school kids standing in line to see 'Iron Man' or 'Transformers,' " Arnold said. "To be honest, that's who we're all competing with on some level."
In an effort to give the Rapunzel story a more contemporary feel, Catmull and Lasseter pushed the reset button in 2008 and brought in a new directing duo who had both worked on Disney's animated movie "Bolt." The Rapunzel film underwent a "total restart," Catmull said: All the prior work was scrapped and the movie was reconceived as a musical with five songs by Disney's veteran, multiple-Oscar-winning composer Alan Menken.
The only surviving elements, Catmull said, were "the hair, the tower and Rapunzel."
Directors Nathan Greno and Byron Howard blended the hallmarks of the classic Disney tale — including sweeping musical numbers and a happily-ever-after ending — with fast-paced action and witty banter associated with more modern animated films.
"If we were told we would one day grow up and direct the 50th animated feature from Disney, it would blow our minds. It's such a great honor," Greno said. "At the same time, it comes with some challenges.... We love classic Disney, but we wanted to invent fresh, new and exciting ideas."
For example, instead of the requisite prince, the directors designed the romantic male lead as a wise-cracking thief who mixes it up with bandits and beer-swilling thugs. The villain, Mother Gothel, isn't the enchantress of the Grimm tale. She's an incarnation of "Mommie Dearest."
In one of the film's musical numbers, "Mother Knows Best," Mother Gothel tells Rapunzel she's "getting kind of chubby" — a line lifted directly from a real-life mother-daughter exchange recounted during a story brainstorming session.
Disney instructed Menken to depart from the heavy Broadway musical-type scoring he made famous in "The Little Mermaid" and "Beauty and the Beast." So the composer borrowed from leaner singer-songwriters of the late 1960s, including Joni Mitchell.
"It's more like handmade music rather than too over-produced," Howard said. "You'll hear a lot of guitar music, especially when Rapunzel is singing.... That was a nice way to break away from what [Menken] had done."
Catmull acknowledges that Disney has a lot riding on the success of "Tangled." The film faces several challenges, not the least of which is that it opens five days after what is expected to be the biggest family event movie of the season, "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1." The stakes are particularly high for "Tangled," which by some estimates cost more than $260 million to produce, including six years of development costs.
"On an emotional and morale level," Catmull said. "We really want this to do well and really want the public to like it."
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So because they had one flop (that garnered critical praise, mind you) they are writing off the classic fairy tale?
Somehow I think this will change their tune:
Somehow I think this will change their tune:
Originally Posted by BoxOfficeMojo
Tangled unfurled with an estimated $49.1 million on approximately 5,400 screens at 3,603 locations, lifting its sum to $69 million in five days and ranking as the second highest-grossing Thanksgiving opening ever (behind Toy Story 2). More importantly, it exceeded the $49.1 million five-day start of Walt Disney Pictures' last Thanksgiving princess event, Enchanted, and it was Disney's top-grossing non-Pixar animated showing yet. Tangled had 2,461 of its locations presenting the picture in the 3D illusion, and they accounted for 56 percent of business. Disney's exit polling indicated that 61 percent of Tangled's audience was female and 57 percent under 25 years old. Tangled also earned a rare "A+" from moviegoer pollster CinemaScore.
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Aren't they making Enchanted II?
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I don't know if anyone considered that perhaps one reason The Princess and the Frog didn't do as well was because the title character and the other main characters are black. Traditionally, there is a smaller audience for movies where the characters are black. Exception being the Tyler Perry movies and handful of others.
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Advertising made it seem otherwise.
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My GF and I took her little sister to see this in 3D last night and we all loved it.
Maximus was one of my favorite movie characters this year, oddly enough. That damn horse had me cracking up.
Maximus was one of my favorite movie characters this year, oddly enough. That damn horse had me cracking up.
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Saw this today with some friends. Absolutely loved it from start to finish. Much better than The Princess and the Frog, imo, which frankly felt like it was trying too hard to be a classic Disney movie. It was like they plugged in the "Disney classic" formula and got Princess and the Frog. Tangled felt like a movie where everyone was having fun, and in the process, accidentally made the best Disney movie since Lilo & Stitch.
The movie was CGI but the way the characters moved felt hand drawn. This was also the most Looney Tunes style Disney movie I've ever seen.
Tons of wonderful moments. I'm probably going to see it again in 3D, since I did 2D this time.
The songs were not great, but not terrible, and that's more than we usually get out of Disney movies these days.
The movie was CGI but the way the characters moved felt hand drawn. This was also the most Looney Tunes style Disney movie I've ever seen.
Tons of wonderful moments. I'm probably going to see it again in 3D, since I did 2D this time.
The songs were not great, but not terrible, and that's more than we usually get out of Disney movies these days.
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Caught this with my 12 year old daughter last night, and we both loved it. Great story from start ot end. Looks like Im in the minority here, but I thought the songs were great. Then again, I love musicals, so anytime the characters broke into song was a bonus for me.
Will defintely be going to see this again while it's still in theaters.
Will defintely be going to see this again while it's still in theaters.
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Looks like it moved up to the #1 slot this weekend, toppling Harry Potter, and still no love on this forum.
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saw the movie twice last week and I really enjoyed it, I like the fact that the animals didn't speak, and that for once (like Sleeping Beauty) Rapunzle had both a father and a mother, the cliche in Disney flicks that the protagonist had to have one parental unit is a tad tired formula.
interestingly on a technical note, the 7.1 soundmix is vastly superior to the standard 5.1 soundmix. The former at times seemed too bombastic at times and omnipresent, but it really added alot more in intensity and sonic beauty
interestingly on a technical note, the 7.1 soundmix is vastly superior to the standard 5.1 soundmix. The former at times seemed too bombastic at times and omnipresent, but it really added alot more in intensity and sonic beauty
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Saw it. Really enjoyed it. Funny and charming as needed. Maximus stole the show. Only thing I found disappointing were the songs. They need to find someone other than Alan Menken to do these songs, as they are all getting quite redundant.
Thought it was interesting how
Thought it was interesting how
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Saw this today with some friends. Absolutely loved it from start to finish. Much better than The Princess and the Frog, imo, which frankly felt like it was trying too hard to be a classic Disney movie. It was like they plugged in the "Disney classic" formula and got Princess and the Frog. Tangled felt like a movie where everyone was having fun, and in the process, accidentally made the best Disney movie since Lilo & Stitch.
The movie was CGI but the way the characters moved felt hand drawn. This was also the most Looney Tunes style Disney movie I've ever seen.
Tons of wonderful moments. I'm probably going to see it again in 3D, since I did 2D this time.
The songs were not great, but not terrible, and that's more than we usually get out of Disney movies these days.
The movie was CGI but the way the characters moved felt hand drawn. This was also the most Looney Tunes style Disney movie I've ever seen.
Tons of wonderful moments. I'm probably going to see it again in 3D, since I did 2D this time.
The songs were not great, but not terrible, and that's more than we usually get out of Disney movies these days.



