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Goat3001 09-20-10 08:35 AM

Catfish (2010 Documentary)
 
Surprised there isn't a thread for this yet, I figured it would be getting buzz (both positive and negative).

Trailer: I've never embedded video before so if this doesn't work, here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFKe75Q6eVw

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The trailer makes it look like it's a Blair Witch/Paranormal Activity type movie, but don't get fooled. It's not in the horror/thriller genre at all. I don't want to give away too much but:

The barebones plot is that Abby is an 8 year old artist that was inspired by Nev's (our main character) photographs. She sends him her work and Nev begins to have a Facebook/Gchat/Phone relationship with Abby and her family, who include Angela (Abby's mother), Adam (Abby's brother) and Megan (Abby's half sister). Everything I just said you pick up on within the first 10 minutes. The story is about his relationship with them.

My feelings after seeing it:

Spoiler:
While you pretty much figure out what's going on half way through the movie, you don't really see the extent of it all until the end. Angela's life is just sad. She seems to have good things: A good husband and a good daughter. She seems to be a great caretaker as she's taking care of two handicap children. She's also a very talented artist. She just has so much missing and it seemed that a lot of it had to do with Megan who has pretty much disappeared from her life. When you see how far she has gone to make this entire second life for herself you can't help but feel sorry for her.

The saddest part, IMO, is that Angela could have been completely honest with Nev from the start. She could have said it was her drawings and she could have just been herself. It's just sad that she feels that she needs to be someone completely different.

I thought the filmmakers handled it well. I would have run far away as soon as I saw what was going on. Obviously they had their movie in mind and I'm also sure that as soon as they saw how much Angela had made up they saw a potential goldmine. But I do like how they tried to show the good in Angela instead of making her seem like a sideshow freak.

The movie also wasn't without it's funny moments. The reveal that Megan was sending him songs that were previously recorded and the dirty texts that Megan sends Nev are pretty funny moments. Although the latter is kind of creepy when you realize it was Angela the entire time.

sauce07 09-20-10 08:44 AM

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I thought that this wasn't a
Spoiler:
Documentary, everything was setup

RichC2 09-20-10 08:45 AM

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There's too much talk over whats real/fake and how horribly mis-advertised it is for me to really care about it. :shrug:

Goat3001 09-20-10 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sauce07 (Post 10381513)
I thought that this wasn't a
Spoiler:
Documentary, everything was setup

I think that's up for debate but I haven't heard anything definitive on it.. but the creators say it's all true so I gave them the benefit of the doubt and called it a documentary. :shrug:

Although I don't think it matters in the grand scheme of things.

Goat3001 09-20-10 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 10381514)
There's too much talk over whats real/fake and how horribly mis-advertised it is for me to really care about it. :shrug:

The advertising is terrible and I feel that a lot of people will absolutely hate the movie because they were expecting something completely different. I went in thinking that it would be a Blair With style movie. I walked out disappointed and even told a friend not to bother seeing it. After I slept on it and took it all in I changed my tune (and told my friend to give it a chance). It's a lot better once you get past the mis-advertising.

arthur_kahn 09-20-10 09:43 AM

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A friend of mine involved with the Toronto Film Festival told me this film is one to watch out for, and was one of the more popular ones at the festival. I'm looking forward to it.

Maxflier 09-20-10 10:11 AM

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Damn, I was excited to see this because I thought it was going to be Blair Witchey. Guess I won't bother then.

Drexl 09-20-10 11:46 AM

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I thought this was going to be about Jim Hunter.

Groucho 09-20-10 12:01 PM

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After reading that description, this may be the MOST MISLEADING MARKETING OF ALL TIME.

Giantrobo 09-20-10 03:05 PM

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Yeah I'm confused.

Dan 09-20-10 03:24 PM

Re: Catfish (2010 Documentary)
 
Not having seen the movie, but knowing the twist...
Spoiler:
My guess is that Angela and her family are not actors at all, and the filmmakers crafted/embellished the story after the fact. That doesn't mean it's not a documentary, though. The studio won't call it a documentary, but rather a "reality thriller" but I think that's to get more asses in the seats. Documentaries don't sell tickets like fictional movies do.

Ash Ketchum 09-20-10 03:32 PM

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I read in one of the reviews that Nev, the protagonist, wants to bail out at a certain point, but the filmmaking team, one of whom is Nev's brother, persuades him to continue. So they basically exploited Nev to help them get a movie out of
Spoiler:
what apparently turns out to be an internet scam by this Angela lady.


I'd be very pissed off if my brother pushed me into a situation like that. (But then I'm pissed off at my brothers for a lot less than that. It would never get that far in my family. Someone would bail out during the discussion phase.)

Goat3001 09-20-10 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SomethingMore (Post 10382307)
Not having seen the movie, but knowing the twist...
Spoiler:
My guess is that Angela and her family are not actors at all, and the filmmakers crafted/embellished the story after the fact. That doesn't mean it's not a documentary, though. The studio won't call it a documentary, but rather a "reality thriller" but I think that's to get more asses in the seats. Documentaries don't sell tickets like fictional movies do.

Spoiler:
That doesn't work because at a certain point Angela admits to everything she made up. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they went back after the big reveal and filmed some more stuff to plug into the early part of the film to make the twist more dramatic though.



Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum (Post 10382315)
I read in one of the reviews that Nev, the protagonist, wants to bail out at a certain point, but the filmmaking team, one of whom is Nev's brother, persuades him to continue. So they basically exploited Nev to help them get a movie out of
Spoiler:
what apparently turns out to be an internet scam by this Angela lady.




I'd be very pissed off if my brother pushed me into a situation like that. (But then I'm pissed off at my brothers for a lot less than that. It would never get that far in my family. Someone would bail out during the discussion phase.)

Spoiler:

Yes there is a moment when Nev wants to bail, but his bother talks him out of it. I'm sure off camera at some point they realized that this could be their big break and Nev, who agreed to it all before, can't pussy out when they got so close.

Also there is a scene AFTER they meet Angela where Henry (one of the filmmakers) wants to bail, but it's actually Nev that insists they should keep pushing on. Once they made the trek to Michigan it was mostly Nev insisting that they keep rolling.

I think once they all realized that there wasn't any malicious intent on Angela's part, they became more comfortable with the idea of keeping the movie going.

dsa_shea 09-20-10 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Drexl (Post 10381897)
I thought this was going to be about Jim Hunter.

You're not the only one. I still don't understand the title.

asianxcore 09-20-10 05:00 PM

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I saw an advanced screening for this a couple weeks ago at the Metreon in San Francisco.

I enjoyed it up until the ending. Not because of what happened but because when things are revealed, the pace of the film just starts to drag pretty badly. It sort of kills all the fun and tension that is the first 3/4ths of the film.

PopcornTreeCt 09-20-10 05:29 PM

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I'm disappointed they don't end up getting chained in a meat cellar like the trailer leads.

Goat3001 09-21-10 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 10382399)
You're not the only one. I still don't understand the title.

It's explained in the movie... but it's clear they were going for a "Cloverfield" type title. I can think of 20 titles off the top of my head that make more sense then Catfish.

Ash Ketchum 09-21-10 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Goat3001 (Post 10382391)
Spoiler:
That doesn't work because at a certain point Angela admits to everything she made up. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they went back after the big reveal and filmed some more stuff to plug into the early part of the film to make the twist more dramatic though.




Spoiler:

Yes there is a moment when Nev wants to bail, but his bother talks him out of it. I'm sure off camera at some point they realized that this could be their big break and Nev, who agreed to it all before, can't pussy out when they got so close.

Also there is a scene AFTER they meet Angela where Henry (one of the filmmakers) wants to bail, but it's actually Nev that insists they should keep pushing on. Once they made the trek to Michigan it was mostly Nev insisting that they keep rolling.

I think once they all realized that there wasn't any malicious intent on Angela's part, they became more comfortable with the idea of keeping the movie going.


That's significant additional info that was not offered in the review I read. Thanks for the clarification.

Indy Jones Fan 10-05-10 12:07 PM

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Finally caught this one and yes the marketing is extremely misleading. The most disturbing aspects of the movie are Nev's tramp-stamp and over abundant chest hair.

iggystar 10-05-10 12:20 PM

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Even with being mislead to believe that this was a "reality thriller" I still enjoyed the movie, which I saw at a press screening a few weeks ago.

I can't help but think that the mis-marketing can't do anything but hurt the film in the long run though. The topic is good enough to stand on its own even with the controversy of what or whether certain parts are real vs. fake. I actually think it's a combo of both myself.

DeFan 10-05-10 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by iggystar (Post 10412407)
I can't help but think that the mis-marketing can't do anything but hurt the film in the long run though. The topic is good enough to stand on its own even with the controversy of what or whether certain parts are real vs. fake.

I really enjoyed this movie. I can completely believe that these are the kind of guys that film everything they do and lucked into the material for the movie. I'm pretty sure they were skeptical early in the process and edited that out of the movie for a better narrative flow but the events were real.

Spoiler:
Angelea was surprisingly sympathetic, who wouldn't want to escape from her reality

iggystar 10-05-10 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeFan (Post 10412499)
I really enjoyed this movie. I can completely believe that these are the kind of guys that film everything they do and lucked into the material for the movie. I'm pretty sure they were skeptical early in the process and edited that out of the movie for a better narrative flow but the events were real.

Spoiler:
Angelea was surprisingly sympathetic, who wouldn't want to escape from her reality

I agree.

Spoiler:
Some of the controversy from what I've read is they the material fell in their lap, but they were a bit more aware that they were being duped earlier and kind of milked the material from there, in the end exploiting Angela and her sad existence. What do you think about that?


I hope the above isn't true because that would color my opinion of the makers of this movie a great deal. But if it's true, the way everything starts and progresses rings true with the way social networking goes these days and that's kind of how I connected with the story.

d2cheer 10-05-10 02:45 PM

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Spoiler:
So basically a sad women pretends to be someone else/several people on the internet? At least it didn't turn out to be a guy.


Maybe I am over simplifying this but that happens every day. I too was taken in by the ads thinking it was some type of cool thriller as it says don't spoil this for anyone. Looks like I will pass on it.

Groucho 10-05-10 02:59 PM

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"Don't spoil it for anyone...because if you do they won't want to see it!"

Hazel Motes 10-06-10 03:35 AM

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Spoiler:
I wonder how they managed to keep the footage of a federal crime taking place, in the film. Stealing mail is a federal offense.


Personally I'm of the belief that everyone in the film was playing a character, even if it was themselves who they were portraying

Heat 10-08-10 09:58 PM

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Wow! I didn't watch the documentary, but watched the ABC 20/20 show on the documentary.

Was it real? I think it started out as real, but then they became suspicious but kept playing along. I don't know.

I don't know if they mentioned this in the documentary, but
Spoiler:
the mom is schitzophrenic
.

SPiRAL 10-11-10 03:54 PM

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No need to see the film IMO if you saw 20/20. They pretty much gave it all away. Wish I would've waited, instead of seeing it the day before.

The Bus 10-17-10 05:04 PM

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Saw it, knowing "the twist" coming into it. Still enjoyed it. Might be one of the saddest movies of the last few years.

Goat3001 10-18-10 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 10412791)
"Don't spoil it for anyone...because if you do they won't want to see it!"

Which I've learned is an inherent problem with the movie and it's marketing. I tried telling a friend that she needs to see it and she saw the trailer and said she doesn't like scary movies. So I tried to tell her that it wasn't scary at all and she asked me to explain further and I couldn't, because I didn't want to ruin the twist for her

Goat3001 10-18-10 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by d2cheer (Post 10412727)
Spoiler:
So basically a sad women pretends to be someone else/several people on the internet? At least it didn't turn out to be a guy.


Maybe I am over simplifying this but that happens every day. I too was taken in by the ads thinking it was some type of cool thriller as it says don't spoil this for anyone. Looks like I will pass on it.

I don't want to tell you that you should go see it but you are over simplifying it.

Spoiler:
the twist itself you see coming a mile away. The twist is actually revealed in the second act, during a great scene where Nev starts to uncover some of Angela's lies. But what makes it different is how deep Angela's fake life really is. She had something like 17 active Facebook accounts, she went out of her way to find dozens of pictures of models and other random people and tag them as her own. She had two cell phones, one was her daughter's number and the other was hers. It was all very detailed and she seemed very unhappy with her life. She didn't have much money, she had an estranged daughter who she hadn't seen in years and she was taking care of two mentally handicapped people. That made her story sad, and not just pathetic.

FantasticVSDoom 10-24-10 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bus (Post 10436143)
Saw it, knowing "the twist" coming into it. Still enjoyed it. Might be one of the saddest movies of the last few years.

Saw this today I agree... My wife said afterwards that she just felt like crying even though there wasnt a particular "event" to make her sad about it.

atlantamoi 10-29-10 06:08 AM

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Just saw this w/out reading any reviews because I love being totally surprised (hard to do these days). I did like it, BUT....

Spoiler:
I thought w/in 15 seconds that none of this was real. Just a fake documentary. I'm okay with that, but would be a little disappointed thinking they were trying to dupe people in marketing. I did check FB after the movie and noticed the girl who is pictured as Megan is a real person, though. I'd be surprised that anyone thought this whole thing wasn't fake from the onset.

FantasticVSDoom 10-29-10 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by atlantamoi (Post 10459652)
Just saw this w/out reading any reviews because I love being totally surprised (hard to do these days). I did like it, BUT....

Spoiler:
I thought w/in 15 seconds that none of this was real. Just a fake documentary. I'm okay with that, but would be a little disappointed thinking they were trying to dupe people in marketing. I did check FB after the movie and noticed the girl who is pictured as Megan is a real person, though. I'd be surprised that anyone thought this whole thing wasn't fake from the onset.

Well there is debate about that... I go back and forth with it, but the filmmakers insist its real so all I can do is really take their word for it.

Jackskeleton 10-29-10 08:22 AM

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It's hard to imagine that these internet savvy folks could buy into this whole thing for anymore than 5 minutes. I mean, seriously... with google and everything else to e-stalk, it seems like it wasn't faked, but blissfully ignorant about the matter and going along for nothing more than to act surprise by what they could have known long before.

I thought the movie just felt awkward. Like, meh, don't care. OH NOES! Someone lied on the internet!

notkevinbacon 10-29-10 08:52 AM

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Saw this last weekend and we came out somewhat disappointed. It did spark plenty of conversation but most of it was over the shortcomings of the film itself.

http://www.movieline.com/2010/01/doe...th-problem.php

An older article, but I agree with most of it. I also find the abrupt end to the Q&A after the "is it real?" question is somewhat suspicious.

In the end... I think there is a little bit of truth and a lotta bit of indulgence and baiting. While the filmmakers were obviously young tech savvy folks I think they are lacking some of the intelligence to put forward the material in a more thoughtful or cerebral manner. The assembly of the footage in more analytical or mature, ponderous hands could have possibly made for a really interesting dissection of Angela's life and an even more compelling documentary. I agree that the film falls flat for a bit near the end. Also felt like Vince's final talking head was forced or even scripted (though it does have that certain charm of wisdom from someone you wouldn't expect wisdom from).

Throwing Copper 11-28-10 02:13 AM

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It was marketed horribly.

I really enjoyed the first 50 minutes or so, but this is nothing that great.

Can't say a lot without ruining it.

It is a sad movie, and I did think about it for several days after seeing it.

B-

hdtv00 12-25-10 09:15 PM

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I never knew a single thing about it at all. I liked it , thought it was almost great. I don't care if it's real or not, it's good I know that much.

kenny79 12-25-10 11:34 PM

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Based on all the spoilers I've intentionally read, I won't be seeing this. But I'm curious -- why is it called Catfish?

lukewarmwater 12-26-10 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kenny79 (Post 10560505)
Based on all the spoilers I've intentionally read, I won't be seeing this. But I'm curious -- why is it called Catfish?

because the main characters name is jimmy catfish

mario_c 12-26-10 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kenny79 (Post 10560505)
Based on all the spoilers I've intentionally read, I won't be seeing this. But I'm curious -- why is it called Catfish?

The last line of the movie:
Spoiler:
something about how imported catfish would be healthy to the others because they are so lively and unusual, like the subject of the movie.


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