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Pizza 10-26-10 06:39 AM

Re: Saw 3D
 
Why do so many folks seem to hate Saw V? I loved the first film but didn't like any of the sequels (II, III or IV) at all. Then I picked up Saw V as a blind buy (it was $8 on blu) and surprisingly loved it and now I'm actually looking forward to seeing Saw 3D because of it.

dsa_shea 10-26-10 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LosingMyMind (Post 10450785)
If anyone in the L.A. area is interested in going to the premiere and after party, there is an auction going on right now that is ending soon. Current bid is $550.

http://www.charitybuzz.com/catalog_items/2177184

No thanks! I'll wait and pay just a few bucks and see it with people that I actually know.

Matthew Chmiel 10-26-10 10:24 PM

Re: Saw 3D
 

Originally Posted by Pizza (Post 10452919)
Why do so many folks seem to hate Saw V? I loved the first film but didn't like any of the sequels (II, III or IV) at all. Then I picked up Saw V as a blind buy (it was $8 on blu) and surprisingly loved it and now I'm actually looking forward to seeing Saw 3D because of it.

Because a majority of the film has no rhyme or reason?

The only redeeming factors of the entire film:
- How Strahm escapes.
- The box Jill receives from John (which is revealed in VI).
- How Hoffman framed Dr. Gordon.
- The reveal of Perez's "death" (which is "revealed" in VI).
- How Strahm dies.

Basically, most of the information delivered in the film's first and final ten minutes. The remaining seventy minutes of the film is shit. It's a below average retread of Saw II that holds no relevance in the "big scheme of things." Saw 3D may revisit the events of V (especially with the return of at least one of the two survivors), but it ranks as the least favorite of the franchise for good reason.

OldBoy 10-27-10 03:40 AM

Re: Saw 3D
 

Originally Posted by Pizza (Post 10452919)
Why do so many folks seem to hate Saw V? I loved the first film but didn't like any of the sequels (II, III or IV) at all. Then I picked up Saw V as a blind buy (it was $8 on blu) and surprisingly loved it and now I'm actually looking forward to seeing Saw 3D because of it.

i just this second posted this in the Horror Challenge thread:

Originally Posted by scott1598 (Post 10454790)
just finished Saw V in my marathon and really find it to be the best in the series right behind I. from start to finsh i really enjoy this entry and this is second time seeing it.


LosingMyMind 10-28-10 11:14 PM

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This was much better than VI. Easily Melton and Dunstan's best out of the four that they've done.

It was a shame that Tobin couldn't have been in it more and it would have been nice if we would have had more flashbacks to the previous movies, but the ending was fantastic and really made up for any shortcomings this film may have had.

Really the best ending the series has had since III. A great end to the franchise; but if more were to be made, I would anxiously see them.

RichC2 10-28-10 11:31 PM

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I wasn't a fan though there were parts I liked. The core storyline about the writer was felt entirely pointless, really hated the focus on "lets make this as gory as possible!" with no ingenuity to the traps and absolutely no suspense (the original movie was based almost entirely around how two people react to one trap.)

It was also really predictable and the 3D was entirely pointless and poorly implemented. And while predictable, I did enjoy the ending.

Spoiler:

It quite successfully tied the end of the series with the first.

The entire Game this time was a complete, uninteresting bore. The gore was bland. They really should have just stuck with the story of Hoffman, Jigsaw's wife, and the Doc.

So I liked the story of Jigsaws wife and Hoffman, along with the Doc, the rest of it sucked.

glassdragon 10-28-10 11:37 PM

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I really enjoyed this honestly, was never a real big fan of the series but this was a decent end to it. I can take a lot of blood, violence, and gore, but a few times I even shielded my eyes a bit.

mdc3000 10-29-10 12:19 AM

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It was OK. Not as good as the last one and certainly not as much gore as part 6. The acting was pretty horrible and I did not care about the main `game` at all... however some of the traps were pretty cool - I enjoyed the gore of the opening Saw sequence and the Chester Bennington scene was particularly gruesome. Even though I had a sense what the ending would be (they seemed to tip their hand a bit too early) I do like how they brought it around full circle - so the ending redeemed the movie IMO. The 3D was OK but the movie is so dark it never feels immersive. Fans will dig it but I was hoping for a bit more with the finale, still a decent Saw flick overall though.

cartman 10-29-10 12:57 AM

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Spoiler:

Quick review: Ugh.

The first opening trap seemed like they could either just pull the saw a little to the left or right, avoid getting killed, and avoid the chick getting sawed in half.

The trap with the blindfolded guy... Why didn't he just grab the key and run to the guy real quick. Or better yet, have the guy just hold on to the dang cord above his neck so the time wouldn't matter?

The chick with the fishhook in her stomach should have been knocked out at the start so she wouldn't scream.

Why did he have to use his shoulders to raise the weights to save his lawyer? Just lock his arms and use leg strength to raise them! Then maybe he wouldn't have six giant holes in both sides... well, he should have had the holes, but didn't.

Why didn't he just climb the dang chains at the end? If he didn't have the strength after getting six giant holes in both his sides from the weight trap, stick the hooks in belt loops or something!

Saw VI was much better than the previous few outings, but this one was just bad.

Matthew Chmiel 10-29-10 01:01 AM

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In regards to the 3D, it did seem they raised the brightness/contrast levels up so it wouldn't be too dark. The 3D seemed fine and I'm happy it wasn't (most of the time) gimmicky. The SI-II is no Fusion, but at least it wasn't a 3D conversion. Right?

I honestly don't see this film being a box office success. At the 8:00pm showing, we were in a theater that held around 400 people. There were maybe 30 people in attendance tops. I saw more people at Saw VI at midnight last year.

In regards to Saw 3D, I thought it was one of the better entries out of the franchise especially due to the ending. Everything was tied up pretty neatly, but I really wish "The A Plot" was that of Hoffman/Jill rather than it being pushed to being "The B Plot" (especially with IV, V and VI leading to this moment). While the storyline regarding Bobby was serviceable, I felt there was no impact behind it other than some decent (but not memorable) kills.

The few, including myself, in the audience cheered with the reveal of the ending. :thumbsup: That ending almost makes IV and V tolerable. Almost.

Just two questions...
Spoiler:
1. Is Bobby dead?
2. Who were the other two with Dr. Gordon when Hoffman got attacked? I'm assuming they're other Jigsaw survivors, right?

tylergfoster 10-29-10 01:17 AM

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Spoiler:
I don't know the answer to the second question, but I think Bobby dies from a combination of his wounds and his being electrified a second time after falling down.
I thought it was okay. Felt obligatory. Pleased to see Dr. Gordon back.
Spoiler:
All in all, I thought this needed more scope. I was thinking there would be something about the game that tied everything together, but there isn't; as others have said, Bobby Dagen's plot was separate from the Jill/Hoffman stuff.
This one seemed cheap, despite the highest budget. The thing I see directors constantly doing when shooting for 3D is to add a lot of space to their compositions, to add scale or distance between objects. Greutert not only does that but he also painstakingly lights for 3D, which means many of the sequences are oddly lit and overly sparse.

glassdragon 10-29-10 02:08 AM

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My thoughts Cartman

Spoiler:
The first opening trap seemed like they could either just pull the saw a little to the left or right, avoid getting killed, and avoid the chick getting sawed in half.

I think that was the point, they COULD have done that, but they decided it wasn't worth it, that was the choice they made

The trap with the blindfolded guy... Why didn't he just grab the key and run to the guy real quick. Or better yet, have the guy just hold on to the dang cord above his neck so the time wouldn't matter?

He's not Prince Dastan, he likely can't jump from beam to beam with the greatest of ease. That was a long fall that would hurt him incredibly bad if not kill him depending on how he fell. The chain jerked up very quickly, likely it would have been too much for him to hold on, even then he can't hold on forever

The chick with the fishhook in her stomach should have been knocked out at the start so she wouldn't scream.

It would have been quite a chore to knock her out. I doubt he had a Dexter syringe on him. Without some kind of very fast acting sedative or something he would have to hit her with tremendous force to knock her out, or else he's just beating the crap out of her. He could have however put his hand over her mouth and pulled the string through his fingers to muffle her as much as possible

Why did he have to use his shoulders to raise the weights to save his lawyer? Just lock his arms and use leg strength to raise them! Then maybe he wouldn't have six giant holes in both sides... well, he should have had the holes, but didn't.

This I do agree with, it would seem more logical to do it that way, and using his arms it would have been much easier to keep the circuit together.

Why didn't he just climb the dang chains at the end? If he didn't have the strength after getting six giant holes in both his sides from the weight trap, stick the hooks in belt loops or something!

Well think of it as a rope thrown over a tree branch. If you pull on either side it will just fall to the ground over the branch, however if you tie one end around yourself and climb the other end of the rope using your body as a counterweight, it can be done. I also don't think that belt loops are going to hold his what? 150 to 160 weight? I don't think the belt loop is holding that without some heavy duty thread


Well that's my take, and if you look at it this way for the most part it all makes sense.

Dr. DVD 10-29-10 08:56 AM

Re: Saw 3D
 
Not planning on seeing this one, but the DVDtalk review brought up an interesting point. Here is the quote as a paraphrase could not do it justice:


The only question mark that remains is how the bad guys manage to erect such elaborate traps for their whimpering victims without outsiders catching on. That's a "Saw" I want to see at this point. Let's watch Jigsaw shop at Home Depot for giant flesh-ripping hooks, rent all these warehouses and public spaces, or perfect the science of his kill toys (one trap here is triggered by decibel levels). I want to see the welding, the down payments, the customer service calls. I want to know how a madman has the time to manufacture all these robot puppets on tricycles and still make room for his nightly Hot Pocket and DVRed episode of "Two and a Half Men." The mundane details of this operation have to be more interesting than the same old dance of dumb cops, screaming victims, and endless taped taunting. The traps themselves are losing their edge in the new film too, with the screenplay basically recycling macabre challenges for Dagen just to fill time.
I honestly think that is valid. Surely a few of these traps wound up being duds. We should be allowed to see the failures as well as the accomplishments. We need to petition Mythbusters to do a Saw based ep. , if they haven't already.

Dr. DVD 10-29-10 02:10 PM

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Okay, I just read the wikipedia summation of this movie as I had (and still have) no desire to wade through the movies after part II.

Spoiler:
Clever twist, explains how Jigsaw was able to strategically place keys and other elements throughout the series. I am guessing the Jill death we saw as a "freebie" turned out to be a fake as that is not the way it appears she dies in the movie itself. I am glad the series "ends" with Dr. Gordon having the last laugh.


I will say that from what I've read about the other movies, and this one in particular, the writers must really have been hurt by women in their past. Seems a bulk of the grisly deaths in the series, particularly this one, happen to women. Of course what I find ironic about people who complain about the violent nature of everything is that a lot of the traps and scenarios are lifted out of old cartoons (i.e. tied in front of a buzz saw, tied in front of a train, etc. )....
Spoiler:
except this time the dastardly villain gets away with it!

OldBoy 10-29-10 02:37 PM

Re: Saw 3D
 
well, i did it. all 7 Saw films in one week. didn't plan it, but it took on a life of it's own. feels kinda fun to do all them. mostly crappy, but good moments in each.

Saw 3D was ok. very predictable (especially the end), but some good kills, though uninspired, little repetitive traps and the 3D was useless and pure gimmick that could have gone either way.

my rank: I, V, II, III, 3D, IV, VI

Boba Fett 10-29-10 03:48 PM

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So final judgment, worth spending the extra $3-$4 for 3D or just go with the 2D version?

RichC2 10-29-10 04:24 PM

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100% Go 2D. I got in for $5 using those weeklycinema coupons (worth $14 a piece) and still felt jipped by the 3D.

Dan 10-29-10 04:30 PM

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EVERY showing in my city is 3D. Not a single 2D in sight.
I was planning to wait for the Blu-ray anyway, but this just makes it that much easier.

Matthew Chmiel 10-29-10 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 10460668)
100% Go 2D. I got in for $5 using those weeklycinema coupons (worth $14 a piece) and still felt jipped by the 3D.

Speaking of which, I love Weekly Cinema. I purchased a 4 for $20 from Living Social and a 6 for $30 from Groupon and I've been able to use it on every movie I've seen within the past month. They've practically paid for themselves just by the girlfriend and I seeing Jackass and Saw 3D.

chaz k 10-29-10 07:57 PM

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Truly one of the worst movies i have ever seen.....

Daytripper 10-29-10 09:13 PM

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Sorry, not threadcrapping, but I stopped watching these after #3. Not that they are terrible, but it was just the "same 'ol, same 'ol" and I didn't feel a need to continue with the series. And I honestly don't know one person who has seen more than one or two of these films.

DJariya 10-29-10 09:39 PM

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Seeing this on Sunday. ^^ And I've seen all 6 movies leading into this one. It's one of my favorite serialized film franchises. I'm still amazed it's lasted 7 films even though the main villain has been dead for 4 of them.

RichC2 10-30-10 02:05 AM

Re: Saw 3D
 

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 10460911)
Speaking of which, I love Weekly Cinema. I purchased a 4 for $20 from Living Social and a 6 for $30 from Groupon and I've been able to use it on every movie I've seen within the past month. They've practically paid for themselves just by the girlfriend and I seeing Jackass and Saw 3D.

Yeah, I bought 8 via the Groupon deal -- awesome all around, the $40 I paid was taken care of by going to see Saw 3D -- 3 x $13.50 + $3 service charge = ridiculous. I was okay with $18 :D. And still have 5 tickets left.

Matthew Chmiel 10-30-10 02:44 AM

Re: Saw 3D
 

Originally Posted by RichC2 (Post 10461312)
Yeah, I bought 8 via the Groupon deal -- awesome all around, the $40 I paid was taken care of by going to see Saw 3D -- 3 x $13.50 + $3 service charge = ridiculous. I was okay with $18 :D. And still have 5 tickets left.

How did you end up paying $18? Based off my experience using them Thursday night for the Saw 3D tickets:

$11.25 ticket + $3.00 3D surcharge + $1.00 Fandango charge x 2 = $31.50

Each Weekly Cinema ticket covers $14.00; $31.50 - $28.00 = $3.50 paid for two tickets.

sirbrady 10-30-10 09:01 AM

Re: Saw 3D
 
Saw it last night, it was OK. Like Saw V, the game meant nothing. Being a fan of the Saw series, I'm glad it's over.

Spoiler:
I wanted more Hoffman/Gordon. Hoffman did kick ass in this, how many victims got stabbed in the neck, lol? Gordon was messed up, so I doubt he could still be a doctor. Jill Tuck was a total waste, besides getting killed. The ending was OK, but Hoffman was caught too easily.


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