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DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

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Old 06-01-10 | 10:26 AM
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DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

Hello voter! Please vote for the team of characters that you like better. It's all personal preference. If one character on the list ruins a team for you and you select the other team based on that alone, so be it (although it would be preferred that you look at the team as a whole)

We would love to hear feedback and why you chose one team over another. Feel free to comment, ask questions, criticize, etc.

Suprmallet
1. Jeffrey "The Dude" Lebowski (Jeff Bridges, The Big Lebowski, 1998)
2. Bugs Bunny (various actors, Looney Tunes franchise, 1981-present)
3. Captain James T. Kirk (William Shatner, Chris Pine, Star Trek franchise, 1979-2009)
4. "Dirty" Harry Callahan (Clint Eastwood, Dirty Harry franchise, 1971-1988)
5. T.E. Lawrence (Peter O'Toole, Lawrence of Arabia, 1962)
6. The Girl (Marilyn Monroe, The Seven Year Itch, 1955)
7. HAL 9000 (Douglas Rain, 2001: A Space Odyssey, 1968)
8. Jake Gittes (Jack Nicholson, Chinatown and The Two Jakes, 1974 & 1990)
9. Amélie Poulain (Audrey Tatou, Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain, 2001)
10. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Alec Guinness and Ewan McGregor, Star Wars franchise, 1979-2005)

cleaver
1. Vito Corleone (Marlon Brando & Robert De Niro, The Godfather I & II, 1972 & 1974)
2. The Joker (Heath Ledger, Jack Nicholson, Mark Hamill, Cesar Romero, Batman franchise, 1966-2008)
3. Norman Bates (Anthony Perkins & Vince Vaughn, Psycho franchise, 1960-1998)
4. Han Solo (Harrison Ford, Star Wars trilogy, 1977-1983)
5. Robin Hood (various actors, various adaptations, 1912-2010)
6. Clementine Kruczynski (Kate Winslet, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, 2004)
7. Norma Desmond (Gloria Swanson, Sunset Blvd., 1950)
8. Holly Golightly (Audrey Hepburn, Breakfast at Tiffany's, 1961)
9. Navin R. Johnson (Steve Martin, The Jerk, 1979)
10. Kermit the Frog (Jim Henson & Steve Whitmire, Muppet Franchise, 1977-2007)
Old 06-01-10 | 03:06 PM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

"Well I'm gonna to go then. And I don't need any of this. I don't need this stuff, and I don't need you. I don't need anything except this. [picks up an ashtray] And that's it and that's the only thing I need, is this. I don't need this or this. Just this ashtray. And this paddle game, the ashtray and the paddle game and that's all I need. And this remote control. The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need. And these matches. The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. The ashtray, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that's all I need. And that's all I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one - I need this. The paddle game, and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches, for sure. And this. And that's all I need. The ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, this magazine and the chair. [walking outside] And I don't need one other thing, except my dog. [dog barks] I don't need my dog."
Old 06-01-10 | 04:17 PM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

cleaver.
Old 06-01-10 | 04:26 PM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

Cleaver by the smallest of margins.
Old 06-01-10 | 04:52 PM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

Come on. Kirk, Dirty Harry, HAL, and Bugs Bunny? No brainer.
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

cleaver, just barely.
Old 06-01-10 | 05:34 PM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

Suprmallet.
For:
Bugs Bunny
Capt. Kirk
Dirty Harry
Lawrence of Arabia
Marilyn Monroe
Jake Gittes
Old 06-02-10 | 03:45 PM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

Wow, I'm getting my butt kicked all over the map on this one.
Old 06-03-10 | 10:41 AM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

Tough call -- both lists are good and varied. Suprmallet by a slight margin.
Old 06-03-10 | 11:11 AM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

Suprmallet
1. Jeffrey "The Dude" Lebowski + (this pick abides)
2. Bugs Bunny - (his FEATURE FILM appearances have been lackluster)
3. Captain James T. Kirk + (but of course!)
4. "Dirty" Harry Callahan + (what a great character!)
5. T.E. Lawrence - (great movie, the character was less interesting to me)
6. The Girl - (I don't remember anything interesting about the character other than the skirt blow-up -- a better Monroe character would have been from Some Like It Hot)
7. HAL 9000 + (very believable scenario, made creepy by the voice)
8. Jake Gittes + (despite The Two Jakes)
9. Amélie Poulain + (the character that every audience member falls in love with)
10. Obi-Wan Kenobi + (totally bland in the prequels, but his portrayal by Guiness trumps that)

Total Pluses: 7

cleaver
1. Vito Corleone + (insprirational!)
2. The Joker + (no "The")
3. Norman Bates + (still a great character despite the fapping in the remake)
4. Han Solo + (classic Harrison Ford)
5. Robin Hood + (lots of crappy performances of this character, but Errol Flynn is still a classic)
6. Clementine Kruczynski - (generic "quirky" hipster girl, complete with colored hair)
7. Norma Desmond + (it was the draft games that got small!)
8. Holly Golightly - (hard to look past the horrific racism in this film to see the characters)
9. Navin R. Johnson + (least convincing poor black child ever)
10. Kermit the Frog - (Kermit is pretty boring, I would go with almost any other muppet)

Total Pluses: 7

I flipped a coin and went with cleaver, since he appears to have slightly more variety.
Old 06-03-10 | 01:48 PM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

I have no problem losing a coin toss, but I'm curious as to how you came to the conclusion that cleaver has more variety?
Old 06-03-10 | 06:16 PM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

I said early in the discussions/draft thread that I made a conscious effort to abstain from any Star Wars characters since Darth Vader had already been selected and then cleaver took Han Solo in the fourth. Had I indulged, I would have gone with Obi-Wan Kenobi, who is easily my favorite character in the entire series. I thought Ewan McGregor played him very well in the prequels, showing us a rigid rookie in The Phantom Menace who went by the book, evolving into the seasoned mentor and leader over the other two films. And Alec Guinness's performance in A New Hope is really the only thing I completely love about that film; each time I watch the movie, I'm spellbound by every scrap of information he tosses Luke--and us--about the Star Wars universe.

Robin Hood was a character I'd intended to draft, but cleaver beat me to him. I'm not a major Robin Hood enthusiast by any stretch, but Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves is one of my all-time favorites (though, in truth, that's largely because of Alan Rickman's Sheriff of Nottingham), and I love the 1973 Disney feature; it's goofy as all hell, but I don't care.

So, each team has a guy I'd considered drafting myself. Otherwise, I wasn't sure about James T. Kirk; I still consider him a TV character, but I have to say that they did a great job developing the character in the feature films. He really does evolve in those (now) eight features. I love The Joker in general, and while the rest of the world is still worshiping at the altar of Heath Ledger, I gotta say I loved what Mark Hamill did with him in Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and the rest of The Animated Series. He really did a great job showcasing how unstable the guy is, and how menacing he can be while still making you laugh.

I loved cleaver's choice of Kermit the Frog--I thought it was inspired, and an unexpected last selection. Ultimately, I went with suprmallet for T.E. Lawrence. Lawrence of Arabia is my favorite film of all time, and I think what Peter O'Toole did with the role was absolutely amazing. He captured the flamboyance of the man, while managing to offer enough humanizing humility and vulnerability to offer depth. The desperation when he is forced into performing an execution to preserve the alliance still gets to me each time I see it, as well as the conflicted meeting with Allenby before the third act when he tries desperately to shirk his role, only to commit to it on an even larger scale. Brilliant use of fictionalization to depict a real person, and it's why suprmallet gets my vote.
Old 06-04-10 | 01:18 PM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

Well, I took a beating this round. My hat's off to cleaver, but I must shake my fist at you for picking Navin R. Johnson as I was going to pick him the very next round. Jerk.
Old 06-04-10 | 01:27 PM
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Re: DVDTalk Draft Round 2 (Suprmallet vs cleaver)

Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Well, I took a beating this round. My hat's off to cleaver, but I must shake my fist at you for picking Navin R. Johnson as I was going to pick him the very next round. Jerk.
I was between Navin R. Johnson and Frank Drebin with that pick and was leaning Drebin.

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