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Old 05-14-10 | 11:43 PM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Originally Posted by Mondo Kane
From this:

To that:
You forgot this beautiful gem he did uncredited work for in-between...
Old 05-15-10 | 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
I have seen both Apocalypse Now and The Conversation (though I scarcely remember anything about either) yet I never realised Coppola directed either of them.
Almost 10,000 posts, no disrespect but...wow.
Old 05-15-10 | 09:08 AM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Originally Posted by RocShemp
Other than The Godfather: Part III (which wasn't nearly as bad as its reputation suggests), what are Coppola's "bad" movies?
Finian's Rainbow, The Cotton Club, The Rainmaker and the previously noted Jack. Tucker and Gardens of Stone seem to have garnered generally positive reviews, but I've never seen either.
Old 05-15-10 | 09:22 AM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Peckinpah. From The Wild Bunch to Convoy and The Osterman Weekend.
Old 05-15-10 | 09:30 AM
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Plus this:

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Old 05-16-10 | 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenVulture
I'm confused. Are you talking about directors who made prestige pics and then wound making B-movies, or once-great directors whose recent output has been disappointing?
both...
Old 05-16-10 | 06:07 AM
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There are so many directors from the 70's who simply lost it by the time the 80's rolled around....a major reason being that Hollywood changed completely. Instead of an era when the director was given a lot of free reign and when thought provoking, intelligent films geared for adults was the norm...films became "pitch me an idea in one sentence"/simplistic eye candy for teens and young adults. Many of these directors either got lost in the new Hollywood, or simply succumbed to the mediocrity. Things didn't start to change in Hollywood (or I should say, to borrow a phrase from the theatre world, "Off Hollywood") until the late 80's when the Independent film boom started.

Some of these directors did bounce back here and there, but they never reached the heights of their pre 80's output:

Michael Ritchie
William Friedkin
Peter Bogdanovich
Frank Perry
Francis Ford Coppola
Sam Peckinpah
Nicolas Roeg
Robert Altman (just the 80's, but his zenith was still the 70's)
Hal Ashby
Sidney Lumet
Peter Yates
George Romero
Michael Winner
Roman Polanski
Arthur Penn
Alan J Pakula
John Schlesinger
Bob Rafelson
John Waters
Old 05-16-10 | 08:21 AM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Philip Kaufman

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
The Right Stuff (1983)
The Unbearable Lightness of Being (1988)
....Twisted (2004)
Old 05-16-10 | 12:24 PM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel
You forgot this beautiful gem he did uncredited work for in-between...
Which one are you talking about? Because IMDB lists four directors for Super Mario Bros.

Last edited by RocShemp; 05-16-10 at 09:56 PM.
Old 05-16-10 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaymole
There are so many directors from the 70's who simply lost it by the time the 80's rolled around....a major reason being that Hollywood changed completely. Instead of an era when the director was given a lot of free reign and when thought provoking, intelligent films geared for adults was the norm...films became "pitch me an idea in one sentence"/simplistic eye candy for teens and young adults. Many of these directors either got lost in the new Hollywood, or simply succumbed to the mediocrity. Things didn't start to change in Hollywood (or I should say, to borrow a phrase from the theatre world, "Off Hollywood") until the late 80's when the Independent film boom started.

Some of these directors did bounce back here and there, but they never reached the heights of their pre 80's output:

Michael Ritchie
William Friedkin
Peter Bogdanovich
Frank Perry
Francis Ford Coppola
Sam Peckinpah
Nicolas Roeg
Robert Altman (just the 80's, but his zenith was still the 70's)
Hal Ashby
Sidney Lumet
Peter Yates
George Romero
Michael Winner
Roman Polanski
Arthur Penn
Alan J Pakula
John Schlesinger
Bob Rafelson
John Waters
I would think John has always been a B movie director, he just has gained a following and found success doing it.
Old 05-16-10 | 09:52 PM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Would you guys consider Paul Verhoeven as a good director that's fallen into b-moviedom? I thought Robocop and Total Recall are classics, but from Showgirls on he's been awful.
Old 05-16-10 | 09:59 PM
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would Bob Clark count? From GOOD b movies to movies considered classic now (Christmas Story) to utterly horrible b movies.
Old 05-17-10 | 12:12 AM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Originally Posted by project86
Would you guys consider Paul Verhoeven as a good director that's fallen into b-moviedom? I thought Robocop and Total Recall are classics, but from Showgirls on he's been awful.
His Dutch films before those are his best.

The 4th Man
Spetters
Soldier of Orange
Cathy Tippel
Turkish Delight
Old 05-17-10 | 02:52 AM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

I would consider Robocop and Total Recall as classic B-grade films.
Old 05-17-10 | 08:15 AM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Originally Posted by project86
Would you guys consider Paul Verhoeven as a good director that's fallen into b-moviedom? I thought Robocop and Total Recall are classics, but from Showgirls on he's been awful.
I thought The Back Book (2006) was excellent.
Old 05-17-10 | 08:29 AM
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Black Book was a masterpiece...I really hope he does another good one next, and not Starship Troopers 4.
Old 05-17-10 | 11:47 AM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Originally Posted by toddly6666
I don't understand how a director can make such a great film or two, and then release crap. Here are the ones that I can think of. Movie directors seem so unreliable. Great book authors don't seem to be like this. If you find a good author, I notice that the majority of books they make are ones that you like - not the other way around - one great book and then awful books thereafter.

Nicolas Roeg
Brian De Palma
Francis Ford Coppola
Name the B-movies that Nicolas Roeg and Brian De Palma have made. Both of them initiate their own projects as far as I know.

Coppola has made many films that people don't like (including his latest self financed personal project), but 99% of the time he only makes movies that he wants to make. It's not like he's become some studio hack pumping out junk like a whore. He has enough money that he doesn't have to work, if he makes a film it's because he wants to.
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Let's go with the great Sam Peckinpah....he wrapped up his career with Convoy and The Osterman Weekend.
Old 03-05-11 | 11:49 PM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Originally Posted by Trenchant63
Let's go with the great Sam Peckinpah....he wrapped up his career with Convoy and The Osterman Weekend.
I still don't know the story about Osterman Weekend, but it's been widely reported that Sam was hardly ever sober while making Convoy.
Old 03-06-11 | 12:03 AM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Originally Posted by Mondo Kane
it's been widely reported that Sam was hardly ever sober while making Convoy.
Well that explains it (sort of). I'm going to surmise that Kristofferson was also in the bag during that production.
Old 03-06-11 | 12:30 AM
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I freaking love The Osterman's Weekend so I sure as hell don't consider it shit; confusing and obviously directed while inebriated, sure.

Coppola did have to do several films like The Cotton Club and Godfather Part III out of the need to pay debts, not from his own volition.
Old 03-06-11 | 12:59 AM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Harold Ramis and Ivan Reitman
Old 03-06-11 | 02:05 AM
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Originally Posted by toddly6666
I don't understand how a director can make such a great film or two, and then release crap. Great book authors don't seem to be like this.
Nicolas Roeg
Brian De Palma
Francis Ford Coppola

I was going to say Walter Hill, but I just realized he was always a B-movie director.

I'm still hoping Wolfgang Peterson and Paul Verhoven go back to their old ways. Verhoven already is on his way after doing Black Book.

Any other disappointing directors you can think of?

I completely understand how directors can go from greatness to crap, and don't believe that book authors are immune to this, and don't consider Roeg, De Palma, or Coppola to be crap directors. I also think Walter Hill has made some remarkable films and that Peterson and Verhoeven's "old ways" were quite grungy and low-budget before they moved to Hollywood.

So what I'm saying is I disagree with absolutely everything in your post.

Except....

Irvin Kershner
Sam Peckinpah
George Lucas
Alfred Hitchcock
Stanley Kubrick
Alan Pakula

--all made crap before they died.

(Yes, I know Lucas is still alive.)
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Re: Name great directors that became B-movie directors?

Originally Posted by Perkinsun Dzees
Philip Kaufman

Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
The Right Stuff (1983)
The Unbearable Lightness of Being (1988)
....Twisted (2004)
I would totally agree with this but for the fact that Kaufman made Quills before Twisted, and that was awesome.

Plus he's almost 80 years old.
Old 03-06-11 | 08:21 AM
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Fritz Lang went from directing prestige pictures like Metropolis to cops-and-robbers sequel pictures like The 1000 Eyes of Dr Mabuse. His B-movies had true greatness, but that was because of Lang's genius.

Robert Mitchum said about film noir: "We called them B pictures," he said. "We didn't have the money, we didn't have the sets, we didn't have the lights, we didn't have the time. What we did have were some pretty good stories."


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