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Old 04-20-10 | 03:22 PM
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Re: Kick-Ass (Vaughn, 2010) — The Reviews Thread

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I LOVED Stardust completely.

Same here, I LOVED "Stardust"!

I also love British Gangster films so I saw "Layer Cake" and although it was good, to me it wasn't as awesome as others have said. Perhaps my hopes were too high? Anyway, I think I'll have to see it again.
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I don't watch many UK crime films but to me it's the best of it's UK crime genre lately. I didn't like The Bank Job, led me nowhere and some plot holes that bothered me.
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Re: Kick-Ass (Vaughn, 2010) — The Reviews Thread

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I don't watch many UK crime films but to me it's the best of it's UK crime genre lately. I didn't like The Bank Job, led me nowhere and some plot holes that bothered me.
That's good to hear! I thought the Bank Job was ok, but not as great as others seemed to think it was. Recent Guy Ritchie fair has been poor to me as well (Revolver, Rocknrolla). I think i'll try and pick up Layer Cake when I have a chance.
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Yeah, it's kinda refreshing in a way. Dunno how to explain it. I need to pick up that BD one day.
Old 04-20-10 | 08:33 PM
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Re: Kick-Ass (Vaughn, 2010) — The Reviews Thread

I dozed off watching Layer Cake as a rental - had to rally to get through that thing.

I enjoyed The Bank Job and Rocknrolla...as well as Snatch and Lock, Stock... but couldn't get into Layer Cake at all.
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I like Rocknrolla, ditto for Snatch and Lock, Stock but The Bank Job just bored me. I just thought it kept going without accomplishing a lot in some places. I don't think it's overly long but it just was boring. Also...the HD cam look didn't sit well with me either.
Old 04-21-10 | 01:53 PM
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Re: Kick-Ass (Vaughn, 2010) — The Reviews Thread

Great read:

Forrest for the Trees: How Some Critics Mixed the Complexity of Hit Girl

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-..._b_545530.html

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I don't think Kick-Ass is a masterpiece and I don't have issues with critics who choose not to like it. But what troubles me is how much of the criticism revolves around the simplistic and wrong-headed criticism of the character of Hit Girl. I've written from time to time about critics and pundits being so blinded by state-of-the-art special effects that they were unable to see the real movie that those effects supported. The critics in question would completely ignore the character work, storytelling, and/or social significance at work in films such as The Matrix, Beowulf, or Speed Racer, and then rip the films for being soulless, empty-headed FX spectacles. Ironically enough, when many of these films came to DVD, critics would find themselves SHOCKED to discover that those missing elements where right there in front of them, but that had missed them on the big screen due to the overwhelming razzle-dazzle.

The other circumstance of missing the obvious usually involves audiences overwhelmed by taboo elements or the appearance of ultra-violence. This is the odd situation when critics (smart and dumb alike) climb all over themselves to condemn Fight Club as an ultra-violent, anarchist fantasy without realizing that there's only one death, only a token amount of fighting, and a message that explicitly condemns the domestic terrorists while coming down firmly on the side of personal responsibility. It happens when the media proclaims Pulp Fiction as an ultra-violent gore-fest while blind to the fact that it contains a single-digit body count and only a token amount of onscreen graphic violence that wouldn't be out of place in any R-rated action film. And yes, it happens when critics and pundits decry the character of Hit Girl as nothing but a dangerous fantasy character. Why does she have no qualms about killing people? Why is the picture so cavalier about showing her being beaten to a pulp? Is she a dangerous role model for the young girls who will theoretically see this R-rated picture?

(SPOILER WARNING from here on out) Matthew Vaughn and Jane Goldman put a scene in the film where characters specifically discuss the immorality of Damon's actions regarding his daughter. It's made perfectly clear that she's been brainwashed from birth and a victim of what could only be called child abuse. Her father is training her to be a soldier in a war. Thus, she's been trained to view the mobsters in question as inhuman/sub-human, for whom killing of them has no real consequences. The movie works partially because it refuses to ignore the dark undertones at work. Sure, the movie didn't obsess on it or her possible PTSD stemming from the events of the film, but that's perfectly reasonable territory for a sequel to deal with. But Hit Girl is a supporting character in a movie with several major characters, so every choice that every character makes cannot be analyzed in full. The fact that Matthew Vaughn, Jane Goldman, and company took the time to acknowledge what a shockingly terrible parent Cage was, and what the long-term implications of turning his kid into a heartless killing machine should be enough. Critics cannot miss this obvious character development and then complain that the movie glamorizes an eleven-year old killing machine. The creation of Hit Girl is viewed as a tragedy, plain and simple.

The other two major complaints frankly have their roots in sexism and/or patriarchal condescension. The first deals with the climactic beat-down that Hit Girl suffers at the hands of lead villain D'Amico. Viewed objectively, the scene wouldn't be the least bit out of place in any other superhero adventure story. The climactic fight scene is a standard give-and-take of brutal blows scored by both hero and villain. At the very end, the villain gets the upper hand and starts to hammer at our heroine out of anger and fear. After all, this kid just wasted pretty much every henchman the guy has, why wouldn't he want vengeance? But the blows suffered by Hit Girl are no worse than those taken by Spider-Man in his climactic smack-down with the Green Goblin. And the violence is in fact far tamer than the vicious beating that Kick-Ass himself endures during the course of the picture.

The issue at hand is the double standard when it comes to female action heroes. Sure, we all say we want empowering female characters who can play in the action sandbox as effectively as the boys do. Yet we collectively cringe when said female heroes (and villains) receive the same kind of brutal violence that is commonly visited upon male action heroes and villains. We love watching the stars of Charlie's Angels overcome the villains in their path, but we protest when Crispin Glover momentarily gains the advantage. We say we want equality regarding gender and villainy in our genre pictures, but we constantly demand that only female heroes be allowed to do battle with female villains (Drop Zone, Die Another Day, etc). Television may have made great strides in this realm (The Powerpuff Girls, Alias, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, etc), but the movies are still stuck defending the violence visited on female characters even when they are playing murderous cyborgs from the future sent to bring about Judgment Day.

The final issue at hand involves the somewhat preposterous fear that young girls will find a way to see and decide that Hit Girl is a role model for their play fantasies. Damn right they will. And you know what? Who cares? We have no qualms about young boys idolizing murderous womanizers like James Bond or Tony Stark. We never bat an eye when an eight-year-old boy wants to dress up as that genocidal, galaxy-destroying, slaughterer-of-children known as Darth Vader. And that's not even counting the countless fantasy games based on horror-film boogie-men of the moment. More than once, I dressed up for Halloween as an undead former child molester turned murderer of teens who sliced and diced innocent kids using a glove with knives for fingers. I turned out OK. As I wrote last November regarding the Twilight series, no one complains when our nation's boys emulate somewhat immoral male protagonists from various mainstream blockbusters, but we're up in arms about the questionable morality of female protagonists. Let's trust our young girls just a bit more. Any young girl who watches Kick-Ass and thinks that she wants Hit Girl's life is probably just as wrongheaded as the countless young boys who grew up really wanting to be Batman or Spider-Man. Which is, of course, partially what Kick-Ass is really about.

But then, wrongheaded would describe many of the critics who are up in arms over the character. Yes, the character is a surprising one, and her actions and appearance are striking enough to make audiences react in a somewhat simplistic manner ("That's so cool!" or "That's so offensive!"). There's more under the surface of the character of Hit Girl than 'aren't we shocking' fluff. And it should be a critic's job to notice. If anyone should be able to see past the fog, it's people who get paid to watch and review movies.

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Re: Kick-Ass (Vaughn, 2010) — The Reviews Thread

Yeah, we just don't let women be on equal grounds of anything to be honest. Good read.
Old 04-21-10 | 04:54 PM
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Re: Kick-Ass (Vaughn, 2010) — The Reviews Thread

That is a very good read, and I agree wholeheartedly the double standards in this country suck to say the least.
Old 04-21-10 | 07:09 PM
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Yeah that was good.
Old 04-21-10 | 07:11 PM
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What's the issue in the Army as well? I may be wrong but aren't women not directly in combat?
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Great read:
Didn't work for me. Anyways, the majority of critics gave the film positive reviews.
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It was a good article.

Another example of what the writer discussed can be seen (to a point) in Mr. & Mrs. Smith when Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie fight in their house. Although both were going all out and the fight wasn't one-sided (usually such fights have the guy suddenly be an incompetent fighter and be nothing more than an over-glorified punching bag), when Brad Pitt knocks Angelina Jolie down and savagely kicks her repeatedly, there's a couch conveniently blocking the view of her taking the hits. That was obviously done to avoid an R (the MPAA frowns on violence against women, even if they are badass killers with no remorse) and the scene would have undoubtedly been couch-free had it been Brad Pitt getting the shit kicked out of him.

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I enjoyed The Bank Job and Rocknrolla...as well as Snatch and Lock, Stock... but couldn't get into Layer Cake at all.
??? Vaughn didn't direct those movies, except for layer cake.

The first 5 minutes of layer cake were good, but the rest of the movie sucked. It was a total rip off of The Limey, Pulp Fiction, Snatch, Reservoir Dogs, etc etc. It's one thing to do an homage, but he didn't do anything new. He didn't make any interesting characters (they're completely one dimensional), he didn't have any good dialogue or performances, his stylistic motifs and tone are still way, way, WAY off, and his whole movie plays out like a sequence of bad music videos strung together.

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Re: Kick-Ass (Vaughn, 2010) — The Reviews Thread

we were comparing UK crime films, going from that Vaughn did Layer Cake and that out of the latest UK crime at that time...I thought Layer Cake was great and Bank Job lacked. A bit off topic yes...
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Considering the average rating on the imdb, I went with a couple of friends expecting it to be a very good film.

Sadly I left alot less than impressed.
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Kick-Ass the movie is better than the book, so this is definitely one of the best comic book adaptations to film.

In the book, I never liked:
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1. the twist was that Big Daddy was never a cop, he was just some accountant or something, just pretending that his police experience was his background.
2. Dave doesn't get the girl.
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After all the hype, I finally caught this last night. It's good, but not great. You feel almost every minute of those 2 hours; it needs a good 15 min trimmed, easily. Nic Cage and Hit Girl stole the show, as did Strong in most of his scenes.

I thought it was lame that, for a guy named Kick-Ass, he spends almost the entire film getting his ass kicked. So, in the end he's just a failure?

I was hoping there would be a better sense of realism at play here, but too many things that were incredulous took me out of the film. They already have comic book signage and costumes the next day after his YouTube video? I thought the jetpack reveal was a bit too over the top, plus I hate that he managed to show up right at the perfect moment. I hate that shit.

But the scenes with Big Daddy and Hit Girl made up for any shortcomings. And it did have some great soundtrack moments. They're selling it as a comedy, which we all seem to agree it certainly is not, so that did catch me off guard.

Also, as Zen Peckinpah said, any film that pays homage to Death Wish 3 is a winner in my book.

I'd give it 3.5/5.
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My heart sank every time the focus of the film shifted away from Big Daddy & Hit Girl (or Strong and McLovin, for that matter).
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My heart sank every time the focus of the film shifted away from Big Daddy & Hit Girl (or Strong and McLovin, for that matter).
Truth. I found it ironic that, not only does Kick-Ass kick virtually no ass, but he's also the weakest aspect of the film.
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I enjoyed it a lot. It wasn't perfect, by no means, but I found it entertaining.

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And any move that has a character's dying regret (not that he actually died) be not knowing the ending to Lost = Ace. Well, at least in my book. If I had one...
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After all the hype, I finally caught this last night. It's good, but not great. You feel almost every minute of those 2 hours; it needs a good 15 min trimmed, easily. Nic Cage and Hit Girl stole the show, as did Strong in most of his scenes.

I thought it was lame that, for a guy named Kick-Ass, he spends almost the entire film getting his ass kicked. So, in the end he's just a failure?

I was hoping there would be a better sense of realism at play here, but too many things that were incredulous took me out of the film. They already have comic book signage and costumes the next day after his YouTube video? I thought the jetpack reveal was a bit too over the top, plus I hate that he managed to show up right at the perfect moment. I hate that shit.

But the scenes with Big Daddy and Hit Girl made up for any shortcomings. And it did have some great soundtrack moments. They're selling it as a comedy, which we all seem to agree it certainly is not, so that did catch me off guard.

Also, as Zen Peckinpah said, any film that pays homage to Death Wish 3 is a winner in my book.

I'd give it 3.5/5.

You were wishing for more realism and yet you were disappointed that a nerdy teenager vigilante spent the movie getting his ass kicked? Doesn't make sense to me.

I finally saw this tonight with my fiance, I thought it was a great movie. While the movie seems to be getting positive reviews it seems like everyone gives it this undertone that it's bordering on mediocrity. I thought it was pretty damn great and a lot of fun and so did my girl. I can't say I liked it any better or worse than the book. Overall definitely one of the better comic book/graphic transitions to film I've seen.
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You were wishing for more realism and yet you were disappointed that a nerdy teenager vigilante spent the movie getting his ass kicked? Doesn't make sense to me.

I finally saw this tonight with my fiance, I thought it was a great movie. While the movie seems to be getting positive reviews it seems like everyone gives it this undertone that it's bordering on mediocrity. I thought it was pretty damn great and a lot of fun and so did my girl. I can't say I liked it any better or worse than the book. Overall definitely one of the better comic book/graphic transitions to film I've seen.
The fact that he got his ass kicked didn't bother me. In fact, I liked that he did get beat down numerous times, but it would have been nice to see him develop some skills by the end. But that's minor. As I said, my gripes didn't involve his scenes, per se.
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This movie kicked all kinda of ass. Very fun movie, billed as a comedy with action scenes better than most summer blockbusters.

Absolutely loved it. 5 Stars!
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Re: Kick-Ass (Vaughn, 2010) — The Reviews Thread

That was a very good article and it had some good points. Maybe it is right about the Hit Girl beating v the end of Spider-Man but in Kick-Ass the scene felt worse because HG is such a young girl, and this is the first time we've seen her be hurt or anyone who's a match for her.
There are double standards though, when films like Near Dark or Robocop 2 came out, did people complain? In Near Dark, Homer (not sure how old he's meant to be but I'd guess 12) smokes and shoots people and the kid in Robocop 2 swears like a sailor, deals drugs and uses guns.


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