Originally Posted by lamphorn (Post 9925657)

Originally Posted by Count Dooku (Post 9924640)

So with all the WTF reaction to some of the listed films ["Juno, I'm looking at you."] is anyone going to bother mentioning the criteria Ebert used to make his picks?

Originally Posted by cactusoly (Post 9927931)

I know it's :horse: but I still find all the hatred for "Crash" amusing just because it beat out "Brokeback Mountain" (which is not on Ebert's list)

Originally Posted by clckworang (Post 9928114)

he sent another message trying to justify it by citing Crash's IMDB score and its Oscar win. If those things should be taken into account, where's LOTR on his list? I'm not saying LOTR deserves or doesn't deserve to be on the list, but it would need to be if those are really part of your criteria.

Originally Posted by clckworang (Post 9928114)

I know at one point he said something along the lines of only people who are stupid or haven't seen very many good movies could argue that Crash doesn't deserve to be among the top films of the decade. There were a lot of his peers who didn't like the movie, either. I figured he would be more aware that this is all still opinion and not to take this all so personal.

Originally Posted by lamphorn (Post 9925657)

"City of God" (2002)- Fuck you. Highjack a bus and murder innocent people and you don't get glorified and excused in a movie. Not in my house. Didn't see it. Won't see it.

Originally Posted by spainlinx0 (Post 9927939)

I never saw Brokeback Mountain and I still don't think Crash is anything special.

Originally Posted by Sondheim (Post 9928543)

Am I forgetting something?

Originally Posted by Sondheim (Post 9928543)

I only have vague memories of the film - but I don't recall any bus hijackers or murderers being glorified in any way... Am I forgetting something?

Originally Posted by Brack (Post 9928478)

Supporting your choice with how others have reacted doesn't mean you have to choose something just because others like it.


I would love to see where Ebert suggested people were stupid. That just doesn't sound like Ebert at all.

Originally Posted by clckworang (Post 9928673)

I agree with that, but come on! Citing IMDB ratings? As justifications for why a film should be considered best of the decade? That seems weak, to say the least. And yes, I think it's weak to use other people's reaction to support your choice of a film. That should have absolutely no bearing, and it won't certainly won't change anyone's mind. It's especially weak because if it was a Best Picture winner that he didn't like, the award wouldn't matter to him if someone brought it up as a stamp of quality for the film. If you want to justify your decisions, make real arguments on why you thought was great. Don't cite awards and IMDB rankings.

And I found the tweets he sent out. Wasn't quite as bad as I remember. Hey, it was New Year's Eve when he sent it out! I wasn't completely sober at the time, but that's why I went back to verify. I am still surprised he sent the one message out, though.







The bottom line for me is that it's his list. He's been doing this a long time. He knows there will be people who disagree with him. Why should he feel the need to justify his list? Put it out there and let it stand on its own. To say that only "special pleaders" and "those who don't see many films" wouldn't agree with him is bull shit. Right there, he's saying that people either have a special agenda or aren't educated enough in film if they disagree with him. There are plenty of his peers that don't agree with him. But I guess they don't see many films, either.

Anyway, that's what I didn't really care for. I have loads of respect for him, even if I disagree with on some movies, like Crash. But I just thought it was a bit out of line and unnecessary. Why should he care that much about what others think of his list? He's Roger fuckin' Ebert! I guess he's just too bored at home.

Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 9928753)

Methinks you're taking Ebert's jests a bit too seriously.

Originally Posted by clckworang (Post 9928794)

:shrug: Maybe so. I'm probably just tired of people suggesting that if you don't like Crash, it's because it beat Brokeback Mountain. That's such a ridiculous statement, but so many people seem to go there. It's a cop out. And a cheap one at that.

Originally Posted by clckworang (Post 9928794)

:shrug: Maybe so. I'm probably just tired of people suggesting that if you don't like Crash, it's because it beat Brokeback Mountain. That's such a ridiculous statement, but so many people seem to go there. It's a cop out. And a cheap one at that.

Originally Posted by troystiffler (Post 9928066)

It would be interesting if we could track the sales on, "Me and You and Everyone We Know", "Chop Shop", "The Son", "My Winnipeg" and "Silent Light". They're the lesser-knowns. And, even if you're a movie geek, it doesn't mean that you saw these movies.

I think that Ebert is a big enough figure to help boost these movies a little, when they end up on his list. And, for that matter, maybe that's why something like Chop Shop gets the edge over "There Will Be Blood". There were plenty of glowing 4-star reviews from Ebert over the past ten years. It must have been hard to reflect and narrow them down, into a list that a lot of people take seriously (well, all relative to how seriously any 'best of' list is taken). Pretend to be a skeptic if you want - but you must admit that, if you're going to follow a list, it would probably be his.

Originally Posted by clckworang (Post 9928794)

:shrug: Maybe so. I'm probably just tired of people suggesting that if you don't like Crash, it's because it beat Brokeback Mountain. That's such a ridiculous statement, but so many people seem to go there. It's a cop out. And a cheap one at that.

Originally Posted by eXcentris (Post 9928890)

Go back to the original post, and read the comments at the end of the article in the link. This "Best Of" list is based on specific criteria which people in this thread continue to ignore because they are too busy bitching about the list. :)