The bias thing is related to the series itself. Given that you establish you loathed the first one and the entire series, it seems silly for someone interested in opinions of the 6th installment to look to your review for insight, like Rival11 did. The miniscule chance that you might suddenly love the movie 5 sequels in was probably pretty rare.

It seems weird that someone would be interested enough in the movie and series, and even enjoyed the previous films, only to swear off this one despite everyone saying it's a big improvement. Even those who share your disdain with IV and V

Ah, but in a sense, that's the whole point, isn't it? As people have pointed out, Saw VI has the highest Tomatometer rating of an entry since the original, and, if you hadn't seen the movie, wouldn't a glowing review from Orndorf grab your attention?

In the case of Saw VI, the movie wasn't enough to earn a positive review from Brian, but knowing his biases will make a big difference if he gives a good review to the next one, or some other movie like it, because it will illustrate that that movie must be doing something special.

Maybe, but my point was in regards to Rival11's judgement of the film and reaction to the review specifically. If someone hated Final Destination 1 - 3 and then gave 4 a terrible review, I wouldn't use that as a barometer of anything

This will be a bit weird since I feel like i've been defending VI the last few days, but I finally caught a showing this morning and didn't really find it any sort of great come back over the last few sequels, although certainly better then part V. For me, the first is still the best and this one is in some random order along with II - IV. Is it just because it finally answered a lot of questions that the other sequels left open? That was the most satisfying part of the movie for me, but the characters were fairly uninteresting to me, and while the health care slant fit Jigsaw's motives and character it didn't result in a particularly strong plot.

I've been doing my diligence and managed to watch 1 - 4 before hand, but didn't get a chance to re-watch 5. The weak part for me is following a character that I don't care about and is entirely new, just like part 3 with Jeff. I didn't really care about William since he was new, so watching him play the game didn't entice me very much. 4 at least followed Rigg around which we knew from the previous 2 movies. The traps have been mediocre for a couple movies now and most of the ones here aren't much, but I do agree that the merry-go-round was pretty creative and a nice tense moment. That and the revelations about Hoffman and Jill's involvement pretty much made it worth it for me.

My Pro's and Con's -

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Cons


Overall I certainly enjoyed it and had fun with the movie, I just didn't think it was that much better then any of the other sequels.

I thought it was pretty great - reinvigorated the series for me. Extremely gory (I thought V lacked in that department) and some good twists/answers etc. I don't like hearing that Hackl is back for the next one, as I think he's the most bland director the series has had... as for the next few, I'd be good with Wan or Gruetert. Bousman was really phoning it in by the time he got to IV and it showed. I don't think he'd want to return, nor would I want him to.

On a side note, I knew the black guy that worked for William looked famliar. He was Eddie Winslow on Family Matters

And there's the magic of filmgoing, my friend. You never know what you're going to get. It's gambling for nerds.

But considering that they all revolve around relatively the same characters, deadly traps and unforgiving situations then how can one expect a change of opinion from the first 5 movies to the 6th? I can see one not enjoying some of the Harry Potter movies but enjoying others as they are all different but not the Saw movies.

Sense of adventure.

This has come up previously about liking a sequel but not the original, but that's really besides the point here as I already said to droidguy1119. I couldn't really care less if you want to keep watching Saw films to review them despite loathing the series; it was more in regards to someone deciding whether to see for themselves or not and using your review to determine so.

Fumanstan: It's pointless to argue with Brian any longer. He's obviously doesn't care about the people who actually take the time to read his reviews, but is more concerned w/ padding his writing samples for when he sends his resume to be the new film critic for the New York Times or Chicago Sun Times. You obviously aren't talking to a fair reviewer who can actually offer an impartial opinion to fans of this genre with any personal biases. I agree with your earlier comment, his reviews are worthless.

Were we arguing? "Fair reviewer?" "Impartial opinion?" "Doesn't care?"

Where is all this really coming from? Seems awfully mean-spirited without a proper history of discontent attached.

Why am I not allowed to find “Saw VI” one-note, half-heartedly written, poorly acted, and underproduced? I’ve done the legwork, I’ve seen all the previous sequels. It seems that would qualify as an informed opinion. Why am I not allowed to question what fans of the series are actually looking for with these films? Why am I not allowed to see all of these movies (paying my own dime for five of them, for the record) and write reviews for them?

And this: "actually offer an impartial opinion to fans of this genre"

What does that even mean? So, it's a rave or nothing?

Watch out! Perhaps DJariya is Jigsaw! Your trap will be to write glowing retractions to your first six reviews, and enthralled marks for any future ones, or sit through the whole series on repeat for several weeks.

I like it that way, unlike say the latest trailer for AVATAR which reveals alot - too much if you ask me... SAW VI thought impressed me - I liked the effects, the storyline. the theatre I saw this at, the sound was very LOUD - which seemed ideal - the merry go round deaths were wild.

Should've been Irkle!

saw this last night. surprisingly enjoyable. i can't believe the hate it got. liked seeing the beginnings of Jigsaw and accomplice. the ending wasn't so bad either, maybe a little predictable and no real twist, but effective for me. gave it
liked it better than II-IV. now, really looking forward to seeing VI hopefully one night this week...

Paranormal Activity really has hurt this film, box office-wise.

I thought VI sort of redeemed the 'second trilogy' in a way, although I still hate V and the way it tried to revise history and weave Hoffman into every facet of the backstory (after doing the exact same thing far more effectively with Amanda in III).

I enjoyed saw V the more i saw it at home on DVD and BD. V is still the weakest entry but VI was made up for any shortcomings it had. I hope Hackl doesnt screw up VII because i loved how VI ended.

just watched it today. It was surprisingly good!! I loved it.

One question I kept thinking during this whole film, and forgive me if this was answered early on, since I just only read the last two pages of this thread;



Other than this, I thoroughly enjoyed this and was 100 times better than V, which I thought was extremely weak. I'm glad they brought the twist aspect back into this.

P.S. - Is Betsy Russell a MILF or what?

Good point, although

In part 1, Shawnee Smith is given the choice of murdering a man to get the key out of his stomach or letting herself die. Jigsaw made it so that one of them had to die.

Yeah, there have been other traps where someone else is set up to die but not the person actually being tested.

Watched this tonight and enjoyed it very much. As most would agree, very satisfying due to some of the mediocre sequels. I also liked the insurance company aspect.

kinda funny that Eddie Winslow was in it

I've always liked that the Saw films avoid using big name actors as well. And I like that they have a core group of regulars.