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wendersfan 09-16-08 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by lamphorn (Post 8941128)
Since the Original Poster solicited "opinions", I would take everything written in this thread as opinion.

That was my opinion, as the OP requested. Care to share yours?

My opinion is that my opinion on this matter isn't very valuable or useful. ;)

I could say that Michael Snow and Matthew Barney are pretentious, but that's stating the obvious.

Yeti4623 11-10-09 10:59 AM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
Kathryn Bigelow. She's hot and talented, but really pretentious.

islandclaws 11-10-09 11:32 AM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
James Cameron, no question. He makes damn good films, however.

Hokeyboy 11-10-09 12:00 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
/facepalm

Cameron's populist, everyman approach to filmmaking is everything BUT "pretentious".


People are just turning this into a list of directors they don't like.

dhmac 11-10-09 12:09 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 

Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 8938646)
Elfman was working on the score for Spider-Man 3. Raimi was using a cue from Hellraiser in his temp track. He liked it so much that he asked Elfman to basically do a rewrite of it for the film. Elfman balked, said he had better things in mind than a reworking of some other guy's score. Raimi insisted, Elfman still refused. Raimi then had Sony secure the rights for the Hellraiser cue and inserted it into the film as is. Elfman was so outraged at this that he quit, and Raimi ended up hiring the guy who actually composed the score for Hellraiser to score all of Spider-Man 3 (a score I enjoy, actually).

Edit: Actually, Raimi might have fired Elfman for not doing what he wanted. I don't remember exactly how Elfman was saying it went down, but he has vowed never to work with Raimi again.

If that's true, then Danny Elfman sounds worse to me than Sam Raimi. It's not unusual for a director to ask for different music in a film's score from what a composer initially delivers. After all, it's Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 3, not Danny Elfman's. So Elfman sounds like a bit of a prima donna in his refusal to change things.

Nick Martin 11-10-09 12:19 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 

Originally Posted by dhmac (Post 9827379)
If that's true, then Danny Elfman sounds worse to me than Sam Raimi. It's not unusual for a director to ask for different music in a film's score from what a composer initially delivers. After all, it's Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 3, not Danny Elfman's. So Elfman sounds like a bit of a prima donna in his refusal to change things.

Actually, this was Spider-Man 2, not Spider-Man 3.

These are Elfman's words on the subject:


Elfman: My connection to Sam got completely severed. As far as I’m concerned, he went to sleep and somebody put a pod next to him and when he awoke, he wasn’t the same person I’ve known for a decade.

Chud: Will you work with him again?

Elfman: No. He went from right there, number 2 on my list of favorite directors, to the last – to the exact opposite of everything I look for in a film experience. Everything I could do on Spider-Man 1 I couldn’t do on Spider-Man 2. He got so intensely attached to the temp music, I couldn’t even adapt my own music. I couldn’t get close enough to me.

It’s the first time I’ve ever walked from a director in twenty years, and hopefully the last time. He became intolerable. I’ve been on some heavy duty films, so to say that it had to be pretty bad. I have been in war zones you wouldn’t believe in 55 films. But this is the first time I’ve said, I’ve had it. It’s just not worth it. I would rather go back to waiting tables than to do Spider-Man 2 again.
http://www.cinemaeye.com/index/movie...i_turned_evil/

dugan 11-10-09 02:11 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk/...-day-life.html

;)

gglass4269 11-10-09 02:25 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
I'll have to stongly disagree with the votes for Kevin Smith. One of the most genuine and nicest people in the buisiness (Hollywood).

Nick Danger 11-10-09 03:23 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
A question for you all: if someone makes self-important movies that take pride in confusing the less sophisticated theater-goers, but is fun to talk to in person, is that director pretentious?

People are answering the OP question two different ways: "Does the director create pretentious movies?" or "Is the director pretentious in person?" Since I'm much more likely to see a movie than to talk to a director, I'd answer the first way. I'm a bit confused by the people who ignore the movies.

eXcentris 11-10-09 04:26 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 

Originally Posted by gglass4269 (Post 9827734)
I'll have to stongly disagree with the votes for Kevin Smith. One of the most genuine and nicest people in the buisiness (Hollywood).


When you have little talent you don't have the luxury of being pretentious. :)

starseed1981 11-10-09 04:29 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
Wes Anderson.

Nick Martin 11-10-09 04:50 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 

Originally Posted by eXcentris (Post 9828003)
When you have little talent you don't have the luxury of being pretentious. :)

Something Smith himself admits to all the time. Saying any of this isn't an insult to him at all.

Dr Mabuse 11-10-09 05:24 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
All of them, except John Ford:

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Yeti4623 11-10-09 06:32 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
Yeah, when I made this thread, I was talking about more how they come off in interviews/commentaries, than their style.

OldBoy 11-10-09 08:51 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 

Originally Posted by Yeti4623 (Post 9828276)
Yeah, when I made this thread, I was talking about more how they come off in interviews/commentaries, than their style.

ah man...this post would have been the perfect thread bump a year from now.

inri222 11-11-09 12:15 AM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
One year later since this thread was started and my choice again is Harmony Korine

Yeti4623 11-16-09 05:53 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
Wes Craven is kind of pententious, but has a sense of humor at the same time.

riley_dude 11-16-09 05:54 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
Wes Anderson?

jchamoun 11-22-09 03:06 PM

Re: Really pretentious directors?
 
How is it possible that, in a four-page thread listing pretentious directors, no one has mentioned Jim Jarmusch?


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