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Old 06-17-08, 05:22 PM
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Tonight on CBS: AFI's 10 top 10

I posted a reminder on the TV forum, but as this show deals with movies and not everyone who reads this forum checks the TV forum...

Tonight on CBS @ 8 ET - AFI's 10 top 10

This time the American Film Institute picks the ten best films in ten different genres: animation, fantasy, science fiction, gangster, western, sports, romantic comedy, courtroom drama, mystery and epic.

I like these specials, even if they don't match what I would pick, they at least make for good conversation.
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Old 06-17-08, 05:26 PM
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After the travesty of last year's "updated" list (three underwhelming post-1996 entries, and Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction are still stuck down in the 90's!?), these better be pleasing.

Rocky has to be the #1 for sports (it's one of the only ones I can stomach too, and at that it's a great character study). Also, I wouldn't necessarily call courtroom drama a genre. Subgenre, yes, but not a genre.
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I'll probably tune in and out throughout the night. I tend to largely ignore lists and specials such as this, but it is always nice to have something on TV devoted solely to what I love: film.
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i'll probably skip most, but if there is a link to the complete lists i would appreciate someone posting here. tia.
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Rocky will be in the list for sports, but I think that Raging Bull will be #1. Searchers will top the list for best western. That wouldn't be my pick, I'd choose Once upon a time in the West or Good, Bad, And the Ugly as the best but since there were produced in Italy they can't make the list. Fantasy will be Lord of the Rings, prob Return of the King since Fellowship was listed on the top 100 films of all time. Science fiction will be Star Wars or 2001. Animation is a hard call. I think that it will be Toy Story or Snow White. Gangster is another easy call because The Godfather will top the list, but for once I'd love to see Goodfellas get it's due. Epic is another easy call with Lawrence of Arabia or Gone with the Wind topping the list. Romantic comedy should be Annie Hall. Courtroom drama and mystery I can't think or call what I think will be on top. Courtroom drama maybe To Kill a Mockingbird? Mystery maybe Vertigo because I don't think Psycho counts. Maybe Chinatown or The Maltese Falcon?
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Old 06-17-08, 10:18 PM
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Pretty good list for tonights show. Because they split it up in genres, you really got a nice variety of all movies, instead of their previous lists that seem to focus on alot of older movies that were way before my time. Caddyshack even made the list!

My top 5 favorite movies of all-time appeared on tonights show:

-Rocky
-Star Wars
-Back to the Future
-Hoosiers
-Field of Dreams

Anybody have all their favorite Top 5 or Top 10 appear?
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It was pretty easy to guess which ones were going to top the lists. I thought it was great to see McCabe and Mrs. Miller in the western list. Also Blue Velvet and Third Man making the mystery list was great. One I never would have thought would make it and forgot about was A Cry in the Dark. I've never seen it so is it as good as they made it out to be? Good to see that Goodfellas got #2 on the gangster list. My brother said he would have listed Godfather part 2 as the best gangster film just because it has the greatest scene in film history is in it.
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Animation
Presented by Jennifer Love Hewitt

Rank Film Year
1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 1937
2. Pinocchio 1940
3. Bambi 1942
4. The Lion King 1994
5. Fantasia 1940
6. Toy Story 1995
7. Beauty and the Beast 1991
8. Shrek 2001
9. Cinderella 1950
10. Finding Nemo 2003


Fantasy
Presented by Sean Astin

Rank Film Year
1. The Wizard of Oz 1939
2. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2001
3. It's a Wonderful Life 1946
4. King Kong 1933
5. Miracle on 34th Street 1947
6. Field of Dreams 1989
7. Harvey 1950
8. Groundhog Day 1993
9. The Thief of Bagdad 1924
10. Big 1988


Science Fiction
Presented by Sigourney Weaver

Rank Film Year
1. 2001: A Space Odyssey 1968
2. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope 1977
3. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial 1982
4. A Clockwork Orange 1971
5. The Day the Earth Stood Still 1951
6. Blade Runner 1982
7. Alien 1979
8. Terminator 2: Judgment Day 1991
9. Invasion of the Body Snatchers 1956
10. Back to the Future 1985


Sports
Presented by Cuba Gooding, Jr.

Rank Film Year
1. Raging Bull 1980
2. Rocky 1976
3. The Pride of the Yankees 1942
4. Hoosiers 1986
5. Bull Durham 1988
6. The Hustler 1961
7. Caddyshack 1980
8. Breaking Away 1979
9. National Velvet 1944
10. Jerry Maguire 1996


Western
Presented by Clint Eastwood

Rank Film Year
1. The Searchers 1956
2. High Noon 1952
3. Shane 1953
4. Unforgiven 1992
5. Red River 1948
6. The Wild Bunch 1969
7. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 1969
8. McCabe and Mrs. Miller 1971
9. Stagecoach 1939
10. Cat Ballou 1965


Gangster
Presented by Quentin Tarantino

Rank Film Year
1. The Godfather 1972
2. Goodfellas 1990
3. The Godfather Part II 1974
4. White Heat 1949
5. Bonnie and Clyde 1967
6. Scarface: The Shame of the Nation 1932
7. Pulp Fiction 1994
8. The Public Enemy 1931
9. Little Caesar 1931
10. Scarface 1983


Mystery
Presented by Gabriel Byrne

Rank Film Year
1. Vertigo 1958
2. Chinatown 1974
3. Rear Window 1954
4. Laura 1944
5. The Third Man 1949
6. The Maltese Falcon 1941
7. North by Northwest 1959
8. Blue Velvet 1986
9. Dial M for Murder 1954
10. The Usual Suspects 1995


Romantic Comedies
Presented by Jessica Alba

Rank Film Year
1. City Lights 1931
2. Annie Hall 1977
3. It Happened One Night 1934
4. Roman Holiday 1953
5. The Philadelphia Story 1940
6. When Harry Met Sally... 1989
7. Adam's Rib 1949
8. Moonstruck 1987
9. Harold and Maude 1971
10. Sleepless in Seattle 1993


Courtroom Drama
Presented by James Woods

Rank Film Year
1. To Kill a Mockingbird 1962
2. 12 Angry Men 1957
3. Kramer vs. Kramer 1979
4. The Verdict 1982
5. A Few Good Men 1992
6. Witness for the Prosecution 1957
7. Anatomy of a Murder 1959
8. In Cold Blood 1967
9. A Cry in the Dark 1988
10. Judgment at Nuremberg 1961


Epic
Presented by Kirk Douglas

Rank Film Year
1. Lawrence of Arabia 1962
2. Ben-Hur 1959
3. Schindler's List 1993
4. Gone With the Wind 1939
5. Spartacus 1960
6. Titanic 1997
7. All Quiet on the Western Front 1930
8. Saving Private Ryan 1998
9. Reds 1981
10. The Ten Commandments 1956
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Was there any other animated movies that would have been good enough for this list outside of disney who had 9 of 10 on the list. I don't see how The lion king would be #4 while Beauty and the Beast was #7. The only animated movie to be nominated for best picture deserves a higher rating.
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No Leone=No sale.
Seriously it is Bullshit not having The Good the Bad & the Ugly or Once Upon A time in the west on the Western list or Once upon a Tme in America on the Gangster list. These omissions have seriously depressed me.
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Way too much Speilberg.

Did anyone notice how they spelled his name wrong? I try not to be a stickler for spelling mistakes but you lose all your credibility when you do that.
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No Casino on Top Gangster flicks? Oh well, I had a slight hope
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Originally Posted by chris_sc77
No Leone=No sale.
Seriously it is Bullshit not having The Good the Bad & the Ugly or Once Upon A time in the west on the Western list or Once upon a Tme in America on the Gangster list. These omissions have seriously depressed me.
I'm not into Westerns, but my dad said the same thing. He was pretty disappointed with that list. I myself still cannot justify Courtroom Drama and Gangster as their own genres. Call me ignorant or not "movie intelligent" but they seem way to small to deserve their own genres. And I can't understand how Rudy wasn't on the Sports list. Maybe I'm just bias....

I'm also disappointed with some movies in general being absent, i.e. Jaws....
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Star Wars and ET ahead of Blade Runner is vomit-inducing.
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Originally Posted by chris_sc77
No Leone=No sale.
Seriously it is Bullshit not having The Good the Bad & the Ugly or Once Upon A time in the west on the Western list
Usually they just do American movies which those aren't. I'm not sure how The Third Man gets to be called an American movie, but it's been on their lists before so I guess it gets a special pass.

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^Yeah. True. But still they should have made exceptions for these two.
Ans Once Upon A time in America is considered an American production though right?
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Umm... Titanic seems a bit high.
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Shrek making the list of animated films is the one that really sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

BTW, the presenters make sense (although they could have done much better than Jessica Alba), but Jennifer Love Hewitt for animation? She has done a few voices, but nothing really high profile. Someone like Robin Williams, or even John Ratzenberger would have been a better choice.
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Seriously it is Bullshit not having The Good the Bad & the Ugly or Once Upon A time in the west on the Western list or Once upon a Tme in America on the Gangster list. These omissions have seriously depressed me.
The way AFI gets around this is that all three of these film was that they were produced, backed, and made with money from people in Italy. I question how that aftects A Clockwork Orange and The Third Man since there both made in England with funds from people there and it isn't the case. Warners backed and funded Clockwork, and Third was backed by David O. Selznick. Since both are American companys or people, they can be on the list. I know that if the rule were diferent, Once would have been on top of the western list. And animation list would have been even with japan having about five films I can think of on that list. And I too think it's bad that Blade Runner is topped by ET .
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No Say Anything on the romantic comedy list but Sleepless in Seattle gets in? Fuck it, man.

I hate when people get pretentious about American cinema. I really do.

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I agree with the above posts:

-No The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly? WTF????

-Sleepless in Seattle? Get the F**K out of here? No way does Rosie O'Donnell deserve to be on an AFI list for any movie she appears in!

-Also, I give props for Amy Madigan(Field of Dreams) when she was interviewed for not having any plastic surgery to her face. It is refreshing to see an actress in her 50's whose face isn't super tight and fake looking like almost every older actress these days who's gone under the knife. She did look her age, but I respect the fact that she didn't give into the pressures of Hollywood.

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Seriously it is Bullshit not having The Good the Bad & the Ugly or Once Upon A time in the west on the Western list or Once upon a Tme in America on the Gangster list. These omissions have seriously depressed me.

I was disapointed with the Western list also. The only ones that I liked from that list were The Searchers and High Noon. I would of taken Fort Apache over Red River.
Cat Ballou? No. They left out my favorite Gunfight at the OK Corrall- Kirk Douglas, Burt Lancaster. I would of even been happy with Tombstone, but that wasn't there either.
And one more from Clint- Hang'em High or High Plains Drifter would of made me happy.
That list they came up with I didn't like at all except for #1, #2.
No Horror category?

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i am not sure what category you would put it in (according to AFI's lists), but no "The French Connection"? i thought for sure that would be somewhere.

and i could have sworn that i saw a clip of "...And Justice For All" in the opening scroll when the show first began. and then i see it isn't on the courtroom drama list. did anyone else see that clip?
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These lists always seem to generate so much anger.
Trying to think of replacements makes my head hurt, but I do see that there are plenty of great movies there.


Doctor Gonzo, you've been here 8 years and still don't know not to put "Tonight" on the subject list, with no date? SHAME!
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