Just watched Mulholland Dr. for the first time...garbage
05-27-08, 01:04 PM
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I don't precisely agree with you RichC2.
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05-27-08, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hapgilmore
I don't understand that logic at all. How is something that makes no sense enjoyable? Sure, you can appreciate a movie from a technical perspective (good camera work, creative editing etc...) but if you are not involved in the story, it makes the movie as a whole come across as pointless.
In regards to Mulholland Dr., I think Lynch's subconscious road-maps are quite navigable, if one looks past the story. There is an assured rhyming and resonance the director brings to all his works.
05-27-08, 01:57 PM
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In regards to Mulholland Dr., I think Lynch's subconscious road-maps are quite navigable, if one looks past the story.
05-27-08, 02:25 PM
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If you hated this I cant imagine how much you would hate Inland Empire.
I absolutely hated Inland Empire.
05-27-08, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RichC2
I don't get where the confusion sinks in, at all. It's been a couple years since I've seen the movie so I may be a little rusty, but I don't recall it being particularly muddled. Yeah, I was confused the second it ended but it isn't horrifyingly complex. Or are you that hung up on the old couple and creepy dude in the alley way?
05-27-08, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bhk
Yes, happyg, you need to look past how crappy the movie is so you can 'appreciate' it.
05-27-08, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bus
Explain this then:
05-27-08, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chris_sc77
I find Mulholland Dr. to be one of Lynch's most enjoyable films for the first 2/3. Then it goes batshit insane I guess but it still works and is interesting and never dull. It also is scary as shit and I would say its one of the most disturbing/scary films Ive ever seen (Lost Highway is up there on this scale as well).
Mulholland Drive was filmed with the intention that it would be a television series. When the series wasn't picked up, Lynch shot a new ending and made it into a feature film.
So that's why, in the first hour or so of the movie, you have all of these characters and events that have little or nothing to do with the overall plot of the film.
Ultimately, I think Mulholland Drive suffers because of this. Lynch basically took one completed (and open-ended) product and turned it into something else. MD would have been a much better film if Lynch had taken on the project as a movie and not a pilot.
05-27-08, 07:13 PM
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I'll buy anyone saying it's garbage if they can competently explain what happened. 
I swear after the 5th viewing I had this entire movie figured out...the next morning it was gone. Damn you, Lynch!
BTW my second favorite Lynch film behind Dune, though they're not even really comparable in approach or structure. Nothing tops TP though.
I swear after the 5th viewing I had this entire movie figured out...the next morning it was gone. Damn you, Lynch!
BTW my second favorite Lynch film behind Dune, though they're not even really comparable in approach or structure. Nothing tops TP though.
05-27-08, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KillerCannibal
They represented her past coming back to haunt her.
Honestly, without delving too far into a discussion that will probably confuse you, it's obvious you don't like to have to think about a film in order to understand it. You want Lynch to have someone pop up on screen to explain everything so you can feel satisfied at the end of the film.
You know why Happy Gilmore makes sense? Because a single sentence can describe the film to anyone that's never seen it; Mulholland Dr. could have a thesis written about it. I think it's a phenomenal movie and the thinking you have to do with the clues you're given only makes the reward of watching it that much sweeter. I love it when someone says they hated it because they don't get it.
Honestly, without delving too far into a discussion that will probably confuse you, it's obvious you don't like to have to think about a film in order to understand it. You want Lynch to have someone pop up on screen to explain everything so you can feel satisfied at the end of the film.
You know why Happy Gilmore makes sense? Because a single sentence can describe the film to anyone that's never seen it; Mulholland Dr. could have a thesis written about it. I think it's a phenomenal movie and the thinking you have to do with the clues you're given only makes the reward of watching it that much sweeter. I love it when someone says they hated it because they don't get it.
05-27-08, 09:29 PM
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I hate when people try to explain Mulholland Dr. and Blue Velvet in terms of extended dream sequences. I don't think Lynch would go for something that cheap. I take his films to be essays in symbolism more than narratives.
05-27-08, 09:37 PM
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It's a little too heavily suggested in Mulholland Dr. And, in its case, is hardly cheap.
Never heard of it for Blue Velvet. Though I have heard it suggested for Lost Highway.
Lynch is a a huge fan of The Wizard of Oz, and that, if nothing else, at least shows he's more than open to extended dream sequences.
Never heard of it for Blue Velvet. Though I have heard it suggested for Lost Highway.
Lynch is a a huge fan of The Wizard of Oz, and that, if nothing else, at least shows he's more than open to extended dream sequences.
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05-27-08, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sundog
Apparently, the only element at work in any movie is the story...
05-28-08, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RichC2
It's a little too heavily suggested in Mulholland Dr. And, in its case, is hardly cheap.
I'd rather view the film as a straight fantasy than a load of pop-psychology claptrap.
Never heard of it for Blue Velvet.
05-28-08, 08:44 AM
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Which is fine, still pulled it off better than anyone thus far. Viewing it as a straight fantasy is just silliness.
And that Blue Velvet theory sounds more familiar now, haven't seen the movie in ages, need to break it out again.
And that Blue Velvet theory sounds more familiar now, haven't seen the movie in ages, need to break it out again.
05-28-08, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bhk
My comment was just a joke but even a good story with unlikeable characters(drug addicts, prostitutes etc...) to me is a bad movie.
And if folks find that approach unappealing, not much can be done to sway them. Though Lynch has that commercial appeal because of his high-profile films, smuggling his brand of filmmaking in front of unsuspecting audiences, and certainly finding new fans (along with new detractors).
05-28-08, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sundog
That doesn't preclude you from missing my point. The meat of the majority of Lynch's work is not in telling a story from point A to B to C, or creating conventional characters. He uses film to create a portrait of the subconscious, and all its associated trappings.
And if folks find that approach unappealing, not much can be done to sway them. Though Lynch has that commercial appeal because of his high-profile films, smuggling his brand of filmmaking in front of unsuspecting audiences, and certainly finding new fans (along with new detractors).
And if folks find that approach unappealing, not much can be done to sway them. Though Lynch has that commercial appeal because of his high-profile films, smuggling his brand of filmmaking in front of unsuspecting audiences, and certainly finding new fans (along with new detractors).
In fact I remember thinking that commercial for Bud Light(a while back where they used the phrase "why ask why....try bud light") where they asked "why are foreign films so......foreign?" was more entertaining than most foreign films.
