Expelled from Expelled!
04-20-08 | 01:14 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by lordwow
How much trouble can a single member of an audience cause during a screening? Seriously
Depends on whether he brought a stink bomb or not.
04-20-08 | 01:31 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by Heat
So... who is this Richard Dawkins guy who went into the movie?
A friend of mine emailed yesterday. The subject line was “tough to release a conservative film”:
I haven’t seen Expelled yet, so this is saying nothing as to the quality of the film, but I’ve been pretty astonished today to see this movie completely ignored by both Rotten Tomatoes and, worse, IMDB. Every Friday I tend to peruse both sites to see what’s coming out and how things are being reviewed. They tend to list basically everything, including things in limited release. IMDBs “Now Playing” section and movie list will even have very obscure limited releases talked about there.
But Expelled is not mentioned at all on the “Now Playing” IMDB list and it is not in the “Opening” side bar at Rotten Tomatoes. …
And this is a film that is opening in a wide release on 1100 screens, which has to be a record or close to it for a documentary. Michael Moore’s films open on less than 500 screens generally (Sicko was 400, I think), but get huge write ups. Where I live, we don’t tend to get anything that opens on less than 500 screens for a good while - not at opening - but Expelled is opening here in three different theaters in the area.
I can’t remember another film - especially one in wide release - that was completely ignored in this way by these two big Internet film sites. Both sites list the film, but you have to search for it and they have completely ignored it, going against their normal procedures, on their main “Now Showing” and “Opening” pages.
In a way, this just further proves Stein’s point, doesn’t it?
There’s two ways the liberal intelligentsia will attempt to strangle the conservative film movement in the crib; ignore the film altogether or attack Passion-style, where you’re told buying a ticket makes you Hitler.
Expelled was released on over a thousand screens — the fourth widest release of the week – and yet Rotten Tomatoes didn’t even list it on the main page – choosing instead two films most have never heard of.
Naturally, because they’re too immature to judge a film on its own merits and check their personal opinions at the door, critics hammered Expelled. You might say we’re no better but until Hollywood makes an anti-American film that doesn’t suck that’s hard to prove. Do, however, check out my two-and-a-half star review of Sicko.
I haven’t seen Expelled yet, so this is saying nothing as to the quality of the film, but I’ve been pretty astonished today to see this movie completely ignored by both Rotten Tomatoes and, worse, IMDB. Every Friday I tend to peruse both sites to see what’s coming out and how things are being reviewed. They tend to list basically everything, including things in limited release. IMDBs “Now Playing” section and movie list will even have very obscure limited releases talked about there.
But Expelled is not mentioned at all on the “Now Playing” IMDB list and it is not in the “Opening” side bar at Rotten Tomatoes. …
And this is a film that is opening in a wide release on 1100 screens, which has to be a record or close to it for a documentary. Michael Moore’s films open on less than 500 screens generally (Sicko was 400, I think), but get huge write ups. Where I live, we don’t tend to get anything that opens on less than 500 screens for a good while - not at opening - but Expelled is opening here in three different theaters in the area.
I can’t remember another film - especially one in wide release - that was completely ignored in this way by these two big Internet film sites. Both sites list the film, but you have to search for it and they have completely ignored it, going against their normal procedures, on their main “Now Showing” and “Opening” pages.
In a way, this just further proves Stein’s point, doesn’t it?
There’s two ways the liberal intelligentsia will attempt to strangle the conservative film movement in the crib; ignore the film altogether or attack Passion-style, where you’re told buying a ticket makes you Hitler.
Expelled was released on over a thousand screens — the fourth widest release of the week – and yet Rotten Tomatoes didn’t even list it on the main page – choosing instead two films most have never heard of.
Naturally, because they’re too immature to judge a film on its own merits and check their personal opinions at the door, critics hammered Expelled. You might say we’re no better but until Hollywood makes an anti-American film that doesn’t suck that’s hard to prove. Do, however, check out my two-and-a-half star review of Sicko.
I also checked both IMDB and RT on Thursday night to see if it was going to open here and I got nothing. I only knew of the showing because of my local paper. That's the point to the flick, instead of debating the other side of an issue, they're just ignored. Kinda like Algore and his global warming acolytes.
04-20-08 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
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I also checked both IMDB and RT on Thursday night to see if it was going to open here and I got nothing. I only knew of the showing because of my local paper. That's the point to the flick, instead of debating the other side of an issue, they're just ignored. Kinda like Algore and his global warming acolytes.
I also checked both IMDB and RT on Thursday night to see if it was going to open here and I got nothing. I only knew of the showing because of my local paper. That's the point to the flick, instead of debating the other side of an issue, they're just ignored. Kinda like Algore and his global warming acolytes.
04-20-08 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by maxfisher
I'm looking at Rottentomatoes 'Opening This Week' page and it's the seventh movie listed?
http://www.imdb.com/nowplaying/
(User ratings: 3.3/10 ... ouch!)
04-20-08 | 02:16 PM
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I do wonder about the funding and how big the pro-ID groups are. Only news I've heard about ID is some legislator in La wanting it taught and something similar in Fl. I hope it won't get to the fed level.
And yeah, the film certainly should be ignored since it seems to be just a rant that isn't worth responding to.
And yeah, the film certainly should be ignored since it seems to be just a rant that isn't worth responding to.
04-20-08 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
Under the " MOVIES / TICKETS & SHOWTIMES" section it isn't showing up.
04-20-08 | 02:23 PM
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My biggest problem with all of this is the fact Stein seems to hate Evolution because the Nazi party used it as a reason to exterminate the Jews. Just because the theory was used for evil I see no reason it should be ignored. Religion has been used for evil for thousands of years and Stein seems to have no problem with it.
ID is fine as a theory. God could be the creator of everything and the ultimate reason why everything works. The problem is God can't be researched, tested and verified through the scientific method so God can't be taught in a science class room.
ID is fine as a theory. God could be the creator of everything and the ultimate reason why everything works. The problem is God can't be researched, tested and verified through the scientific method so God can't be taught in a science class room.
04-20-08 | 02:36 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
That's the point to the flick, instead of debating the other side of an issue, they're just ignored.
04-20-08 | 02:39 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by Groucho
This is by area, so it depends on what theaters you have listed. For example, in my zip code I can see it playing in several theaters.
04-20-08 | 02:40 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by dugan
The film's producers not only refused to screen the film for critics, they took measures to keep critics out. They also banned one of its interview subjects from the early screening. And now they whine about the film not getting enough attention?
Like all the crappy comedies and horror flicks that aren't screened for critics, they don't show up on RT either, right? 
04-20-08 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MartinBlank
I know that. I have that section bookmarked, RT and IMDB...IMDB lists the showtimes, RT does not.
9% from critics...another ouch!
04-20-08 | 02:44 PM
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From: 75 clicks above the Do Lung bridge...
after 'The Great Dying'... how did life repopulate in it's many varied forms?...
Darwin knew best his theory had holes in it you could drive a train through... it simply does... but what a huge step forward for science... i guess the first step forward on that topic...
but after Chixulub... how did life repopulate in it's many varied forms?... after the late Devonian?...
those are the pertinent questions to answer...
Darwin knew best his theory had holes in it you could drive a train through... it simply does... but what a huge step forward for science... i guess the first step forward on that topic...
but after Chixulub... how did life repopulate in it's many varied forms?... after the late Devonian?...
those are the pertinent questions to answer...
04-20-08 | 02:47 PM
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Why don't you try emailing RT about their oversight regarding the ticket sales in your area, rather than immediately assuming malice?
And my point stands. The film's producers deliberately limited the film's exposure to a carefully selected, sympathetic audience. The lack of mainstream attention they're now getting is something they brought on themselves. And given their actions, it is extremely hypocritical for them to complain about this lack of attention.
EDIT: The blog's claim that "both sites list the film, but you have to search for it and they have completely ignored on their main 'Now Showing' and 'Opening' pages" is not currently true
And my point stands. The film's producers deliberately limited the film's exposure to a carefully selected, sympathetic audience. The lack of mainstream attention they're now getting is something they brought on themselves. And given their actions, it is extremely hypocritical for them to complain about this lack of attention.
EDIT: The blog's claim that "both sites list the film, but you have to search for it and they have completely ignored on their main 'Now Showing' and 'Opening' pages" is not currently true
Last edited by dugan; 04-20-08 at 03:24 PM.
04-20-08 | 03:59 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by dugan
The film's producers not only refused to screen the film for critics, they took measures to keep critics out. They also banned one of its interview subjects from the early screening. And now they whine about the film not getting enough attention?
04-20-08 | 04:09 PM
#43
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I've always liked Ben Stein. This is just sad. Now this apparent fiasco will probably always be mentioned when talking about him.
04-20-08 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by movielib
I've always liked Ben Stein. This is just sad. Now this apparent fiasco will probably always be mentioned when talking about him.
Maybe he thought it was a dry comedy?
04-20-08 | 06:28 PM
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From: Columbia, MD
Originally Posted by darkside
My biggest problem with all of this is the fact Stein seems to hate Evolution because the Nazi party used it as a reason to exterminate the Jews. Just because the theory was used for evil I see no reason it should be ignored. Religion has been used for evil for thousands of years and Stein seems to have no problem with it.
04-20-08 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by maxfisher
I'm looking at Rottentomatoes 'Opening This Week' page and it's the seventh movie listed?
04-20-08 | 07:11 PM
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From: 75 clicks above the Do Lung bridge...
Ben Stein is nothing...
Einstein was a REAL idiot... he believed everything he did in science was the study of what was created by God... what a dunce...
Einstein was a REAL idiot... he believed everything he did in science was the study of what was created by God... what a dunce...
04-20-08 | 07:27 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by darkside
ID is fine as a theory. God could be the creator of everything and the ultimate reason why everything works. The problem is God can't be researched, tested and verified through the scientific method so God can't be taught in a science class room.
04-20-08 | 07:33 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by Dr Mabuse
Ben Stein is nothing...
Einstein was a REAL idiot... he believed everything he did in science was the study of what was created by God... what a dunce...
Einstein was a REAL idiot... he believed everything he did in science was the study of what was created by God... what a dunce...