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Ranger 05-31-09 05:20 PM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 

Originally Posted by man*machine (Post 9476434)
Well, it wasn't just that - it was also that she called security on the gypsy woman and "shamed her". Surely, that's enough to be condemned to Hell for eternity, right? -wink-

Still makes me wonder if Hellraiser would be more/less popular if Kirsty Cotton had suffered the same fate.

sethsez 05-31-09 06:46 PM

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^^^the fact that it's a really harsh punishment for such a relatively small mistake is one of the things that I like about this movie. I'm sick of horror where extremely bad people get their comeuppance. There's nothing particularly scary, disturbing or even interesting about it. The dynamic of a good person going through (ahem) hell is a lot more interesting. Evil Dead II wouldn't have been half the movie it is if Ash weren't such a lovable goof.


Originally Posted by chris_sc77 (Post 9474778)
^The movie still looks like absolute SHIT to me. I dont waste me time with PG-13 horror movies. You can like it all you want but it is performing well below expectations so I am happy.

I will never understand horror fans who pay more attention to a movie's rating than to critical and audience reactions, or to the talent actually creating the damn thing.

Sam Raimi has made a movie that Evil Dead fans seem to be loving almost universally. Who gives a shit about the MPAA?

LiquidSky 05-31-09 06:57 PM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 
I just got back. Fun movie. Grade: 8.5/10.

Spoiler:
That poor kitty. :(

man*machine 05-31-09 07:13 PM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 

Originally Posted by sethsez (Post 9476532)
I will never understand horror fans who pay more attention to a movie's rating than to critical and audience reactions, or to the talent actually creating the damn thing.

Sam Raimi has made a movie that Evil Dead fans seem to be loving almost universally. Who gives a shit about the MPAA?

True. And although I have always really liked the EVIL DEAD movies, DRAG ME actually has a stronger more-solid and involving story (simple as it is) and way better characters (Ash exempted). This is actually a superior film in many ways to the ED trilogy, although I don't want to start a debate about that. I love them all.

I had ED 2 in today since it's been a while since I watched it. It's actually more stylish and crazy-with-camerawork than DRAG ME is and that's always a big plus. Bruce Campbell is simply incredible. No CGI, either, so it feels more organic. The characters are pretty forgettable and dull, though (except for Ash, of course) and there's practically no story whatsoever, either. DRAG ME seems like Shakespeare in comparison as far as a script goes. But who cares, this is all about having fun and all the films do that.

If EVIL DEAD 2 were released today, it would easily get an R (it has always been unrated as it was too graphic for an R at the time). I can even imagine it getting a PG-13 today just because it's all so silly and absurd and you can't take any of it seriously. In this day of torture-porn horror films, EVIL DEAD 2 actually looks like a tame comedy horror-spoof with lots of blood splattering and appendages chopped off, but all in goofy, silly fun - I actually think the MPAA really would give it a PG-13 today. So who cares about these ratings anyway?

SethDLH 05-31-09 08:27 PM

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Saw this last night and loved it! Raimi still knows how to make a fun and entertaining horror movie. And the debate about the cgi will rage on, it wasn't great but didn't take away. There were enough practical effects from Nicotero and Berger that almost had my friend vomiting in the seat to satisfy!

8.5/10

StephenX 05-31-09 08:49 PM

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Me and my wife saw it tonight. Great, great, movie and an even better horror movie. I love Raimi's stuff, but we both enjoyed this more than Evil Dead. A great story that happens to involve elements of horror, comedy, drama. I agree with everything that has already been said.

Great ending, too. The audience I was with was shocked.


Also, I LOVED how there were all sorts of easter eggs all over the place from Raimi's other stuff. Ash's car, etc. By the way, anyone notice the license plate? It read "999 51." Upside down, it is "Is 666." My wife caught that.

8/10

SethDLH 05-31-09 09:20 PM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 

Originally Posted by StephenX (Post 9476712)
Me and my wife saw it tonight. Great, great, movie and an even better horror movie. I love Raimi's stuff, but we both enjoyed this more than Evil Dead. A great story that happens to involve elements of horror, comedy, drama. I agree with everything that has already been said.

Great ending, too. The audience I was with was shocked.


Also, I LOVED how there were all sorts of easter eggs all over the place from Raimi's other stuff. Ash's car, etc. By the way, anyone notice the license plate? It read "999 51." Upside down, it is "Is 666." My wife caught that.

8/10

The car is in every Raimi film... I love seeing it!

asianxcore 05-31-09 10:48 PM

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Saw this today with a friend. Loved it!!

After reading an interview with Raimi in the current issue of Rue Morgue, I was happy to see a nice balance between practical and CGI effects. The film was a lot of fun and scary. Then again I am a sucker for "jump" scares :)

Also liked the sheer amount of "gross-out" moments. Each and every one of them had my friend and I laughing/clapping along.

Defiant1 05-31-09 11:00 PM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 

Originally Posted by sethsez (Post 9476532)
^^^the fact that it's a really harsh punishment for such a relatively small mistake is one of the things that I like about this movie. I'm sick of horror where extremely bad people get their comeuppance. There's nothing particularly scary, disturbing or even interesting about it. The dynamic of a good person going through (ahem) hell is a lot more interesting. Evil Dead II wouldn't have been half the movie it is if Ash weren't such a lovable goof.

Japanese horror movies tend to feature relatively nice, "good" people who inadvertently trigger the ghost/supernatural force and end up dying.

I saw DMTH tonight and liked it. Very silly and cheesy but fun in that schlocky 80s way.

dsa_shea 05-31-09 11:05 PM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 

Originally Posted by man*machine (Post 9476434)
Well, it wasn't just that - it was also that she called security on the gypsy woman and "shamed her". Surely, that's enough to be condemned to Hell for eternity, right? -wink-

Borat would call security on a gypsy woman and wouldn't think twice about it. Plus, he would steal some gypsy tears before getting hauled off.

darqleo 06-01-09 01:45 AM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 

Originally Posted by StephenX (Post 9476712)
Also, I LOVED how there were all sorts of easter eggs all over the place from Raimi's other stuff. Ash's car, etc.

That's actually Sam Raimi's "real life" car, it's an easter egg in ALL of his movies. From Wikipedia... "Raimi has included a 1973 yellow Oldsmobile Delta 88 automobile (nicknamed "The Classic") in every film except The Quick and the Dead"

dino88 06-01-09 01:55 AM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 

Originally Posted by darqleo (Post 9476995)
That's actually Sam Raimi's "real life" car, it's an easter egg in ALL of his movies. From Wikipedia... "Raimi has included a 1973 yellow Oldsmobile Delta 88 automobile (nicknamed "The Classic") in every film except The Quick and the Dead"

I wonder why he didn't use it in that one?:hscratch:

tylergfoster 06-01-09 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sethsez (Post 9476532)
^^^the fact that it's a really harsh punishment for such a relatively small mistake is one of the things that I like about this movie. I'm sick of horror where extremely bad people get their comeuppance. There's nothing particularly scary, disturbing or even interesting about it. The dynamic of a good person going through (ahem) hell is a lot more interesting. Evil Dead II wouldn't have been half the movie it is if Ash weren't such a lovable goof.

Well, I wouldn't want to ruin your opinion of the movie, but
Spoiler:
I think this is the exact opposite of the point you're supposed to be gleaning from the movie. Christine is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It may make financial sense for the bank to take away Sylvia Ganush's house, but two extensions or not, it's slightly cold and inhuman. She had an eye disease, she lives on a fixed income, and she's old. Christine refuses to grant the loan out of selfishness: she wants that promotion more than she cares about Sylvia's well-being, just because Sylvia puts her gross teeth and fingers on her desk and steals her candy (two wrongs don't make a right). Repeatedly, throughout the film, when confronted by her decision, she tries to insist: "it was the bank! it was my manager!" when the manager clearly left it up to her. Then, to save her own skin, she's willing to go against her puppy-loving, vegetarian ways and kill a kitten, fails to express much sympathy when a medium who tries to help her dies, and even considers giving this curse -- a terrible, fatal curse that's her own fault -- to someone else. Christine may get dragged to Hell, but she has nobody to blame but herself.

Originally Posted by darkleo
That's actually Sam Raimi's "real life" car, it's an easter egg in ALL of his movies. From Wikipedia... "Raimi has included a 1973 yellow Oldsmobile Delta 88 automobile (nicknamed "The Classic") in every film except The Quick and the Dead".

In Bruce Campbell's autobiography If Chins Could Kill he suggests Raimi stuck the chassis in the wagon from the movie's opening.

kristina 06-01-09 08:41 AM

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I loved this movie - and not b/c I've got a slight girl crush on Alison Lohman...
I've never seen a Sam Rami movie before. I've read a few of the interviews concerning this movie, saw the trailer.. all of which made the movie seem lame and not even worth my time. I especialy was cynical about seeing a Sam Rami film since he is so "famous."

having said that...
The movie was extremely scary to me - I'm very jumpy when it comes to loud noises and such. A few of the scenes that were meant to be scary, though, sorta seemed lame ...especialy the scenes with her in her house. The blood scenes were very funny. I loved the chemestry b/t Alison and Justin Long. I'm definitly going to see this movie again this coming weekend.. planning on bringing a few friends and family to see it.

kristina 06-01-09 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by troystiffler (Post 9475309)
The PG-13 rating was fitting.

This movie is good 'ole Raimi, in goofy. horror, jumpy form. I actually found the real joy to be in the goofiness. There was one part that made me really jump. A couple that I kind of expected.

I really liked it. That's all I have to say.

It makes me curious to see his earlier work.

I thought the movie was much, much too good to receive only a PG-13 rating. Most PG-13 movies are teen slasher movies which I tend to avod.

riotinmyskull 06-01-09 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kristina (Post 9477234)
It makes me curious to see his earlier work.

I thought the movie was much, much too good to receive only a PG-13 rating. Most PG-13 movies are teen slasher movies which I tend to avod.

too good for a rating?

Charlie Goose 06-01-09 08:51 AM

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Biggest laughs from the audience (maybe 1/3 full):

Spoiler:
Christine walking through the house with a huge knife & saying, "Here kitty kitty kitty."

After Mrs. Ganush knocked all her teeth out on the dashboard, she gummed the shit out of Christine's face, drooling all over her.

The handkerchief attacking Christine and trying to go down her throat.


Best horror flick in years! Fuck Spidey 4, more Raimi scary goodness please!

hapgilmore 06-01-09 09:26 AM

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Saw it yesterday, pretty awesome...funniest scenes were:

Spoiler:
blood going all over the boss's face and him asking "did any get in my mouth?" and then the asian stealing the file lol

the talking goat and when he bit that person's hand lol

Mr. Cinema 06-01-09 10:27 AM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 
I'm in the minority. I wasn't blown away by this at all. I like the Evil Dead movies, but this felt like a 2009 version of Evil Dead 2, which I didn't need to see. I thought it dragged in places and I didn't think it was scary at all. Just a tad too over the top for me. I was hoping it'd be better. I also thought some of the audio was just downright annoying. Those screaming demon noises were way too loud. And it's far from the best horror movie in years.

This is nowhere close to The Descent, or even Let the Right One In. I'll take those two over this any day of the week.

notkevinbacon 06-01-09 11:15 AM

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First off, loved this movie. Loved, loved it. Saw it twice this weekend and won't be surprised if I catch it in theaters again making it the first movie I've seen 3 times in the theater on initial release. It's great to see Raimi return to this type of material and be so successful.

For anyone who professes to be a genre fan, you simply must see this one. It's impossible to take any horror fan seriously if they are not, at the very least, interested in a new Sam Raimi horror movie... and one that is receiving such high acclaim to boot.



Originally Posted by droidguy1119 (Post 9477035)
Well, I wouldn't want to ruin your opinion of the movie, but
Spoiler:
I think this is the exact opposite of the point you're supposed to be gleaning from the movie. Christine is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. It may make financial sense for the bank to take away Sylvia Ganush's house, but two extensions or not, it's slightly cold and inhuman. She had an eye disease, she lives on a fixed income, and she's old. Christine refuses to grant the loan out of selfishness: she wants that promotion more than she cares about Sylvia's well-being, just because Sylvia puts her gross teeth and fingers on her desk and steals her candy (two wrongs don't make a right). Repeatedly, throughout the film, when confronted by her decision, she tries to insist: "it was the bank! it was my manager!" when the manager clearly left it up to her. Then, to save her own skin, she's willing to go against her puppy-loving, vegetarian ways and kill a kitten, fails to express much sympathy when a medium who tries to help her dies, and even considers giving this curse -- a terrible, fatal curse that's her own fault -- to someone else. Christine may get dragged to Hell, but she has nobody to blame but herself.

Spoiler:
I've been flinging these ideas around in my head, too. And while i do agree with what you say, I don't think that the character is receiving proper sentencing for her crimes.

Pre-"curse," we have all faced similar choices in our lives and certainly careers. I think the decision that she makes is very understandable and very human (especially when you weigh in some of the obvious baggage she carries around both implied and mentioned outright (farm girl, fat girl, not-good-enough-for-her-boyfriend-in-the-eyes-of-the-parents girl). In all fairness, it was perfectly legal and within reason to deny a loan to some sick old lady, who in all reality DID have a place to go and other options. It's not like this was a medical crisis or a matter of life and death (at least at first!). I'm not saying that I would kick an old lady on the street to benefit me and only me, but I do think it is to be taken into consideration that the line here is very gray.

Post cursing, most of her actions I feel are completely human though at times extreme. Let's face it, when Rham Jas mentions she'd be surprised what she would do when the Lamia is coming for her...he's absolutely correct. It's pretty much damned if you do, dammed if you don't. I mean, I am a cat lover and even I thought that was a desperate, disgusting, yet all too understandable decision for the stakes of the film.

She has the chance to pass on the button to Stu, but ultimately does not. She does blame the bank/her manager, but the rules of the curse are quite clear that it doesn't matter who she blames, sells out or how much she bargains or pleads...the Lamia is only interested in the owner of the cursed object. I'd be sizing up potential button takers in that position too, even if I never dreamed about actually passing it on.

I think the brilliance of the film is that the stakes for the character are ASTRONOMICALLY out of this world. The curse is a major game changer. She will be forever in agony, there really is no escape (as the plot goes on the chances of escape are slimmer and slimmer). Even if she decided to be a martyr and keep the button and grab her boomstick on her decent to Hell, she's completely screwed. She is no match for the powers that will tear her soul apart for eternity. No one is.

In the end, I think Raimi does a great job of presenting a pretty believable and fallible character, who certainly has made missteps, but in the end is not the kind of person who would deserve an eternity of suffering that very few ever could deserve.

d2cheer 06-01-09 11:43 AM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema (Post 9477429)
I'm in the minority. I wasn't blown away by this at all. I like the Evil Dead movies, but this felt like a 2009 version of Evil Dead 2, which I didn't need to see. I thought it dragged in places and I didn't think it was scary at all. Just a tad too over the top for me. I was hoping it'd be better. I also thought some of the audio was just downright annoying. Those screaming demon noises were way too loud. And it's far from the best horror movie in years.

This is nowhere close to The Descent

Pertty much feel the same way, I think I would have liked it better IF I had not seen any of the Evil Dead movies before. This just seemed like a rehash of those ones, with nothing new or interesting to add.

Agree with you on the Descent, can't on the other one.

tylergfoster 06-01-09 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by notkevinbacon (Post 9477542)
Spoiler:
I've been flinging these ideas around in my head, too. And while i do agree with what you say, I don't think that the character is receiving proper sentencing for her crimes.

Spoiler:
The main thing it comes down to is that she just won't admit until after she thinks she's gotten rid of the curse that it was her decision to throw Sylvia out of her house, at the very end. She'll only backhandedly admit it to Sylvia's daughter (if that's who that girl at Sylvia's house was) when confronted about lying. She just thinks Sylvia's "a bitch" instead of considering on any really significant level if she herself is to blame. I suppose if she hadn't been consumed by the creatures of Hell, even regardless of everything terrible that happens in the movie, I don't know that she'd think twice about doing it again.

Yavin 06-01-09 02:59 PM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 

Originally Posted by droidguy1119 (Post 9478261)
Spoiler:
The main thing it comes down to is that she just won't admit until after she thinks she's gotten rid of the curse that it was her decision to throw Sylvia out of her house, at the very end. She'll only backhandedly admit it to Sylvia's daughter (if that's who that girl at Sylvia's house was) when confronted about lying. She just thinks Sylvia's "a bitch" instead of considering on any really significant level if she herself is to blame. I suppose if she hadn't been consumed by the creatures of Hell, even regardless of everything terrible that happens in the movie, I don't know that she'd think twice about doing it again.

Spoiler:
Doesn't matter whether she deserved it or not. Alison Lohman is way too cute for that fate :(

JackBurton 06-01-09 03:31 PM

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Fun little flick. I enjoyed it.

Though I am typically anti-cgi, and some of the cgi shots were admittedly poor, I didn't find it any more distracting than some of the low budget practical effects in ED2. That said, I would have preferred the charm of low budget practical effects.

Its rare that my wife and I go to the theater on a Saturday night, but we had a great time. The unruly audience was welcome with this type of movie.

Overall, a refreshing break from the lame remakes and Saw/Hostel creativity chasms that I've grown oh so tired of.

Daytripper 06-01-09 03:35 PM

Re: Drag Me To Hell - Sam Raimi
 

Originally Posted by JackBurton (Post 9478460)
Fun little flick. I enjoyed it.

Though I am typically anti-cgi, and some of the cgi shots were admittedly poor, I didn't find it any more distracting than some of the low budget practical effects in ED2. That said, I would have preferred the charm of low budget practical effects.

Its rare that my wife and I go to the theater on a Saturday night, but we had a great time. The unruly audience was welcome with this type of movie.

Overall, a refreshing break from the lame remakes and Saw/Hostel creativity chasms that I've grown oh so tired of.

Ain't that the truth. I had "My Bloody Valentine" waiting for me from Netflix when I got home from seeing "DMTH", and I just around to watching it last night. Talking about going from a Filet Mignon to a Steakum. What a piece of shit that was. Not scary on any level, not interesting, horrible acting and writing. Even for that type of film, it's probably the worst of it's kind I've seen.


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