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PopcornTreeCt 12-14-07 01:44 AM

A Clockwork Orange should be remade
 
Now hear me out. There's a great story there. Truly great. I'm not terribly concerned with staying true to the book or anything like that (Honestly, I haven't read it). I think the characters and plot should be translated to a near future world. There's so much commentary there about political parties using Alex for their own gain. There's a lot to be said about ethics behind the methods involved in the experiment to make a person less prone to violence.

Take away all the perverted sex stuff in the movie (except the set decoration of milk bar that's awesome!) and have it focus more on Alex and less on his gang.

I think all the ingredients are there for an amazing film. Though I suppose having a murderer/rapist as your main protagonist doesn't bode too well with the studios. I say in the right hands it could be great.

project86 12-14-07 01:53 AM

I could see a possibility of making one, but I don't think anyone could top Malcolm McDowells performance and narroration.

JZ1276 12-14-07 02:57 AM

disagree...its perfect the way it is why remake it?

Mr. Salty 12-14-07 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
I think all the ingredients are there for an amazing film.

You're right. In fact, it's already been made.

riotinmyskull 12-14-07 06:07 AM

it's already a PERFECT movie. no need for a remake or re-imagining whatsoever.

DeltaSigChi4 12-14-07 06:19 AM

Remake it, and I will boycott the production studio involved FOREVER.

Serious.

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zombiezilla 12-14-07 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
I say it's already great.

FIXED

Doughboy 12-14-07 08:16 AM

The day Kubrick movies start getting remade is the day I give up on cinema.



And before anyone mentions Lolita or The Shining, the former came out in 1962 and was held back by censorship and the latter was remade as a TV miniseries which doesn't count IMO. Plus The Shining is one of Kubrick's most flawed films, so I'd let that one slide anyway.

LivingINClip 12-14-07 08:23 AM

It may be one of this flawed films, but it's still a friggin' fantastic film.

Lastdaysofrain 12-14-07 08:25 AM

Why would you take away the perverted sex stuff? Isn't that really a major theme to the movie? The youth having this weird, completely violent, different view on sexual issues?

Doughboy 12-14-07 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by LivingINClip
It may be one of this flawed films, but it's still a friggin' fantastic film.

I don't know if I'd say it's fantastic. But it's one I can watch(at least most of) over and over again. You can say that about pretty much every Kubrick film.

A Clockwork Orange is damn near perfect though. In fact, I'm trying to think of a single flaw and nothing comes to mind.

TheMadMonk 12-14-07 08:49 AM

If they remade this, I'd send my droogies after the director and everyone else involved.

LivingINClip 12-14-07 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Lastdaysofrain
Why would you take away the perverted sex stuff? Isn't that really a major theme to the movie? The youth having this weird, completely violent, different view on sexual issues?

It needs to be PC for today's audience. We can't have any sexual issues, not PC enough.

Basically, just go ahead and butcher the film. That's the only way to remake it with the way films are today.

Doughboy 12-14-07 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by TheMadMonk
If they remade this, I'd send my droogies after the director and everyone else involved.

"SHUT YOUR BLEEDING HOLE!!!" ;)

Original Desmond 12-14-07 09:10 AM

no remake, sequel ok

Jericho 12-14-07 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Now hear me out. There's a great story there. Truly great. I'm not terribly concerned with staying true to the book or anything like that (Honestly, I haven't read it). I think the characters and plot should be translated to a near future world. There's so much commentary there about political parties using Alex for their own gain. There's a lot to be said about ethics behind the methods involved in the experiment to make a person less prone to violence.

Take away all the perverted sex stuff in the movie (except the set decoration of milk bar that's awesome!) and have it focus more on Alex and less on his gang.

I think all the ingredients are there for an amazing film. Though I suppose having a murderer/rapist as your main protagonist doesn't bode too well with the studios. I say in the right hands it could be great.

For the most part, everything you describe is in the original film. So I'm not sure why you want a remake. I guess you were put off my the sex stuff and just want that removed. But I'd argue that the film does focus on Alex as is. Saying it should focus less on the gang is a bit odd, since there's not that much focus to begin with on them.

starseed1981 12-14-07 09:24 AM

Abso-fucking-lutley not. This thread should be closed at even the mere suggestion of this.

TheNightFlier 12-14-07 09:58 AM

Just a horrible idea.

rexinnih 12-14-07 10:14 AM

I'd have to pass.

islandclaws 12-14-07 10:55 AM

ACO should NEVER, EVER be remade. Remake all the horror films you want, but no one could EVER do a better job of making Clockwork than Kubrick did. And no one would , or will, ever do a better Alex than McDowell. Terrible idea.

chris_sc77 12-14-07 11:02 AM

^WORD!. The young actors these days are almost universally terrible. I dont think one would be authentically capable of portraying a a kid in his mid-teens who is a rapist/killer.

d2cheer 12-14-07 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Now hear me out. There's a great story there. Truly great. I'm not terribly concerned with staying true to the book or anything like that (Honestly, I haven't read it). I think the characters and plot should be translated to a near future world. There's so much commentary there about political parties using Alex for their own gain. There's a lot to be said about ethics behind the methods involved in the experiment to make a person less prone to violence.

Take away all the perverted sex stuff in the movie (except the set decoration of milk bar that's awesome!) and have it focus more on Alex and less on his gang.

I think all the ingredients are there for an amazing film. Though I suppose having a murderer/rapist as your main protagonist doesn't bode too well with the studios. I say in the right hands it could be great.

You should be banned for suggesting this..... -wink-

Ummm.... NO.

Just borrow some of the same elements and call it something else. Lots of movies do this.

Rad14 12-14-07 12:41 PM

Why stop there?

Why not remake
Raging Bull, The Godfather, Alien, The Exorcist, Gone with The Wind, Ben Hur and of course, Citizen Kane as well? :eek:

caiman 12-14-07 01:10 PM

So you're the idiot who keeps buying tickets to these shitty remakes.

printerati 12-14-07 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Rad14
Why not remake
Raging Bull, The Godfather, Alien, The Exorcist, Gone with The Wind, Ben Hur and of course, Citizen Kane as well? :eek:

I hate to break it to you, but...

sundog 12-14-07 01:27 PM

Just wait for the stage version to tour again.

Oh wait, you didn't like the sexuality so I guess seeing the lead play Alex on stage completely nude wouldn't appeal to you.

Was it the garish decor that turned you off? Nearly forty years later, I can't imagine someone putting together a setting that is any more alien than what Kubrick produced.

Focus more on Alex? Every scene in the movie revolves around him.

It is not far-fetched to picture a major U.S. studio's production of A Clockwork Orange including a scene to 'explain' Alex's sociopathic behavior as a product of some kind of parental neglect. Sure it would undermine every theme of the story, but it's marketable!

MartinBlank 12-14-07 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Original Desmond
no remake, sequel ok

How would that even be possible?

Everyone remembers that A Clockwork Orange is based on a book, right?

If they do remake it Hayden Christianson should be the bodyguard :D

sundog 12-14-07 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by MartinBlank
If they do remake it Hayden Christianson should be the bodyguard

Natch.

Johnny Zhivago 12-14-07 04:06 PM

:sad: -ohbfrank- :whofart: -screwy- :banned: :p

Mondo Kane 12-14-07 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by MartinBlank
If they do remake it Hayden Christianson should be the bodyguard :D

http://www.the-gold-source.com/images/gold_bar.jpg

PopcornTreeCt 12-14-07 08:28 PM

Yikes, I thought I would get some harsh responses but not this bad. I just don't think the film is that great and the story has the potential to be truly good. I think the film works because McDowell's performance but I think a remake could focus more on a story aspect and less character driven.

But I see I've stirred the wasp's nest so I shall cease to mention any more of it.

DVDsAreMyLIFE 12-14-07 08:31 PM

They already remake enough things they shouldn't. BUT if they ever do, no way can you get rid of the perverted sex stuff. :)

wilky61 12-14-07 08:44 PM

This is the worst idea I've ever heard. Just the idea of remaking it in the first place and then taking the perverted sex out of it in the second place. You'd realize this if you had read the book, but I guess I can't hold that against you.

I would really encourage you to read the novel, though. I actually thought the movie was pretty bad (oh my god blasphemy!), but the novel's gotta be top 10 if not top 5 for me.

And just out of curiosity, do you know why the movie/novel is entitled A Clockwork Orange?

Sean O'Hara 12-14-07 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by MartinBlank

no remake, sequel ok
How would that even be possible?

Kubrick only filmed 20 of the 21 chapters, so there's still a little bit of story left for a sequel.

Of course, that chapter involves Alex going back to his gang life but finding it doesn't interest him anymore, and giving it up to get a job and live a normal life. Somehow I don't think that would fly with audiences.

Mr. Salty 12-14-07 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
I think a remake could focus more on a story aspect and less character driven.

"A Clockwork Orange" is, by design, character driven. And it's about ideas. What's wrong with that? Why do films have to be plot-driven?

harpo787 12-14-07 09:33 PM

I think the OP has the right idea...but in addition to removing the sex, it would be best to remove the violence and bad language. Well, while I'm dealing with the bad language, we should also remove the language that doesn't make sense. THEN we'd be looking at a helluva film!

inri222 12-15-07 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by harpo787
I think the OP has the right idea...but in addition to removing the sex, it would be best to remove the violence and bad language. Well, while I'm dealing with the bad language, we should also remove the language that doesn't make sense. THEN we'd be looking at a helluva film!

Also, Will Smith should play Alex. :suicide:

Original Desmond 12-15-07 02:53 AM

whoever in hollywood is thinking about this needs to be bent over for a good session of the old in out in out

Nick Danger 12-15-07 06:09 AM

I know that Anthony Burgess was unhappy with Kubrick using the American edition of his book, which had the last chapter deleted. I know that he was unhappy with himself for using a made-up slang to distance himself and the reader from the cruelty of his protagonist.

A remake could have Alex more unlikable, the language clearer, the breakdown of society more explicit, and show Alex's growing maturity at the end.

IIRC, the book was inspired by Burgess's new wife being brutally gang-raped by American servicemen. She lost the baby, spent a lot of time in the hospital, and never recovered either mentally or emotionally. The movie could have more of that tone instead of having choreography and clever language.

riotinmyskull 12-15-07 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Nick Danger
I know that Anthony Burgess was unhappy with Kubrick using the American edition of his book, which had the last chapter deleted. I know that he was unhappy with himself for using a made-up slang to distance himself and the reader from the cruelty of his protagonist.

A remake could have Alex more unlikable, the language clearer, the breakdown of society more explicit, and show Alex's growing maturity at the end.

IIRC, the book was inspired by Burgess's new wife being brutally gang-raped by American servicemen. She lost the baby, spent a lot of time in the hospital, and never recovered either mentally or emotionally. The movie could have more of that tone instead of having choreography and clever language.


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