The Hobbit
#1677
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Hobbit
I'd rather have it a tad too long than a bit too short. I'm down.
#1678
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#1679
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Hobbit
I wonder if the first one will end a little sooner now? I thought leaving Beorn's house w/ Gandalf saying goodbye might be a good spot, but too early when it was just two films. Mirkwood/Elves/Laketown for the middle section (plus the wizards battling the Necro). The mountain and battle for the third?
#1680
Moderator
Re: The Hobbit
This exchange reminds me of the first time my high school AD&D buddies and I tried the Middle Earth Role Playing Game. We were so excited!
Made our characters, headed out on an adventure, ran into our first group of orcs, the DM (or whatever MERPS called it) rolled the dice.
He looked up what happened in the chart and told me, "You've been shot with an arrow."
Rolled again, looked at the chart, paused, and said, "Okay, it hit you in the eye and you're dead."
Wait, what? "I'm dead?"
He checked again, "Yep."
I think we switched back to AD&D and TMNT (plus Heroes Unlimited) promptly after that.
Made our characters, headed out on an adventure, ran into our first group of orcs, the DM (or whatever MERPS called it) rolled the dice.
He looked up what happened in the chart and told me, "You've been shot with an arrow."
Rolled again, looked at the chart, paused, and said, "Okay, it hit you in the eye and you're dead."
Wait, what? "I'm dead?"
He checked again, "Yep."
I think we switched back to AD&D and TMNT (plus Heroes Unlimited) promptly after that.
#1681
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit
What a fucking money grab.
#1683
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: The Hobbit
Two films made some sense. Three seems like a padding. I'm trying to think where you could spend the time...
You could do a fair amount with Dol Guldur. Gandalf does disappear for a large portion of the tale, so it's probably worth explaining what exactly he was doing. You could even show Gandalf earlier in the story getting the key from Thrain before the action kicks off. This could be potentially atmospheric and compelling stuff. IMO, Dol Guldur has a lot of potential as a great location.
You also could set up the Battle of Five Armies in much more detail than Tolkein does in the books. Set up Dain and Bolg much earlier, explain who they are and how they came to be involved. Spend more time with Bilbo's deliberations and "treason".
For both of those diversions, you'd have to interpolate a lot as the text is very skimpy. The rest of the story is very linear.
Still looking forward to this. The Hobbit has so many great scenes in it that it would be hard to screw up the telling.
You could do a fair amount with Dol Guldur. Gandalf does disappear for a large portion of the tale, so it's probably worth explaining what exactly he was doing. You could even show Gandalf earlier in the story getting the key from Thrain before the action kicks off. This could be potentially atmospheric and compelling stuff. IMO, Dol Guldur has a lot of potential as a great location.
You also could set up the Battle of Five Armies in much more detail than Tolkein does in the books. Set up Dain and Bolg much earlier, explain who they are and how they came to be involved. Spend more time with Bilbo's deliberations and "treason".
For both of those diversions, you'd have to interpolate a lot as the text is very skimpy. The rest of the story is very linear.
Still looking forward to this. The Hobbit has so many great scenes in it that it would be hard to screw up the telling.
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#1688
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Re: The Hobbit
The Silmarillion will never, ever, be adapted as long as Christopher Tolkien is in charge of the estate.
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Re: The Hobbit
That was Tolkien's main reason for abandoning his own "reimagining" project.
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Re: The Hobbit
Two Possible Names For The Third Hobbit Film Registered And Revealed, Unless…
It seems that Jackson, Warner Bros. and the full furry-feet team have registered a couple of possible titles for their third Hobbit picture while they make up their mind which of them will be best.
Both of the possible options has been claimed in a few URL variants by Mark Monitor, the company who registered the other Hobbit domains for the producers. Fusible spotted the registrations just before the weekend.
The two options are Riddles in the Dark and The Desolation of Smaug.
I feel that the latter would make most sense as the title of a third film, as it refers to the area around Smaug’s lair in the Lonely Mountain, somewhere that the Dragon has destroyed and left, well, desolate. This would likely have to be the second of the three films, relative to where the location appears in the overall narrative.
Less literally appropriate to a third film would be Riddles in the Dark, the name of the fifth chapter in the book. These scenes take place during the narrative span of The Unexpected Journey, at least as it stands, and a sequence from this chapter was played, in at least nearly-finished form at Comic-Con this month.
So, given this, it’s possible that these aren’t potential names for the third film. Perhaps they’ll be part of a marketing viral; perhaps they’ll be the names of some kind of ancillary product – video games maybe; or perhaps the tiny expenditure needed to claim these URLs was spent pre-emptively to scare off cyber squatters.
They are going to need a title for the third film at some point. For now, I’m going to gamble on The Desolation of Smaug. Fits well, sounds dramatic, and leaves The Battle of Five Armies to take centre stage in the third picture.
It seems that Jackson, Warner Bros. and the full furry-feet team have registered a couple of possible titles for their third Hobbit picture while they make up their mind which of them will be best.
Both of the possible options has been claimed in a few URL variants by Mark Monitor, the company who registered the other Hobbit domains for the producers. Fusible spotted the registrations just before the weekend.
The two options are Riddles in the Dark and The Desolation of Smaug.
I feel that the latter would make most sense as the title of a third film, as it refers to the area around Smaug’s lair in the Lonely Mountain, somewhere that the Dragon has destroyed and left, well, desolate. This would likely have to be the second of the three films, relative to where the location appears in the overall narrative.
Less literally appropriate to a third film would be Riddles in the Dark, the name of the fifth chapter in the book. These scenes take place during the narrative span of The Unexpected Journey, at least as it stands, and a sequence from this chapter was played, in at least nearly-finished form at Comic-Con this month.
So, given this, it’s possible that these aren’t potential names for the third film. Perhaps they’ll be part of a marketing viral; perhaps they’ll be the names of some kind of ancillary product – video games maybe; or perhaps the tiny expenditure needed to claim these URLs was spent pre-emptively to scare off cyber squatters.
They are going to need a title for the third film at some point. For now, I’m going to gamble on The Desolation of Smaug. Fits well, sounds dramatic, and leaves The Battle of Five Armies to take centre stage in the third picture.
#1692
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Hobbit
I'm game. There's a lot in the appendices and there's a lot of offhand remarks in The Hobbit itself about big things going on, but without explanation.
I wonder if there's any kind of footage they could film that could be added into even more extended versions of the LOTR movies.
I wonder if there's any kind of footage they could film that could be added into even more extended versions of the LOTR movies.
#1693
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Re: The Hobbit
Confirmed:
It is only at the end of a shoot that you finally get the chance to sit down and have a look at the film you have made. Recently Fran, Phil and I did just this when we watched for the first time an early cut of the first movie — and a large chunk of the second. We were really pleased with the way the story was coming together, in particular, the strength of the characters and the cast who have brought them to life. All of which gave rise to a simple question: do we take this chance to tell more of the tale? And the answer from our perspective as the filmmakers, and as fans, was an unreserved ‘yes.'
We know how much of the story of Bilbo Baggins, the Wizard Gandalf, the Dwarves of Erebor, the rise of the Necromancer, and the Battle of Dol Guldur will remain untold if we do not take this chance. The richness of the story of The Hobbit, as well as some of the related material in the appendices of The Lord of the Rings, allows us to tell the full story of the adventures of Bilbo Baggins and the part he played in the sometimes dangerous, but at all times exciting, history of Middle-earth.
So, without further ado and on behalf of New Line Cinema, Warner Bros. Pictures, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Wingnut Films, and the entire cast and crew of "The Hobbit" films, I'd like to announce that two films will become three.
It has been an unexpected journey indeed, and in the words of Professor Tolkien himself, "a tale that grew in the telling."
Cheers,
Peter J
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It is only at the end of a shoot that you finally get the chance to sit down and have a look at the film you have made. Recently Fran, Phil and I did just this when we watched for the first time an early cut of the first movie — and a large chunk of the second. We were really pleased with the way the story was coming together, in particular, the strength of the characters and the cast who have brought them to life. All of which gave rise to a simple question: do we take this chance to tell more of the tale? And the answer from our perspective as the filmmakers, and as fans, was an unreserved ‘yes.'
We know how much of the story of Bilbo Baggins, the Wizard Gandalf, the Dwarves of Erebor, the rise of the Necromancer, and the Battle of Dol Guldur will remain untold if we do not take this chance. The richness of the story of The Hobbit, as well as some of the related material in the appendices of The Lord of the Rings, allows us to tell the full story of the adventures of Bilbo Baggins and the part he played in the sometimes dangerous, but at all times exciting, history of Middle-earth.
So, without further ado and on behalf of New Line Cinema, Warner Bros. Pictures, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Wingnut Films, and the entire cast and crew of "The Hobbit" films, I'd like to announce that two films will become three.
It has been an unexpected journey indeed, and in the words of Professor Tolkien himself, "a tale that grew in the telling."
Cheers,
Peter J
#1694
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#1697
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Hobbit
We could read the book in half the time it will take to watch these movies. Hollywood needs a new rule: One book = one movie. I know a lot of fanboys are happy about this, but it just seems like a money-grab to me.
#1698
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Hobbit
I think it would be safe to say that this will be more of a Prequel to LOTR than just the Hobbit (Which it will be-based on the appendixes
#1699
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: The Hobbit
Sometimes it just can't be done. Never in my wildest dreams did I think The Hobbit would even be 2 movies, let alone 3, but certain books just can't be done in 1 movie. Harry Potter is a good example. There were 8 movies total, but I think there could have easily been 10+ movies considering how much stuff, and important stuff at that, was cut out.



