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Old 08-06-07, 11:20 AM
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187 - Are there schools that are really that bad?

I just watched the film 187 with Samuel L. Jackson. I loved the movie, but it was just so depressing. Are there really schools that are as bad as the school depicted in the movie? I'm lucky to have been raised and gone to school in a small Indiana town, so I guess I am naive as to what big city schools are like. You couldn't pay me enough to work in a school like the one in the movie. Every single day would be a nightmare.

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Read (at leas the first part of) Jonathan Kozol's Savage Inequalities: Children in America's Schools. It's non-fiction, but I could not believe some of the stuff happening in that book. Granted, it's now been 15 years since and who knows if anything improved, but it's still terrible.
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It depends on where... If the school is in shitty neighborhood with high crime, yes. According to the movie, it's written by real life teacher.
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Visit any school in the Kensington district of Philly or on Baltimore's West Side. Third World Country doesn't even describe it.


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It's sad, but probably true. Kids either stay in school or face jail time (like the gang in 187)

Add that to the fact that most teachers get paid jack shit, and you got a "winning" situation.
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My friend teaches chigh school classes with what's termed "emotional support" cases, and pretty much all of his students have parole officers, and many are wearing those tracking things.

This is in a district far, far, removed from the inner city. Guards, metal detectors, etc. are now commonplace in schools across the country. If it's this bad way out here in Hlllbilly Hell, the kind of schools described in 187 must be far worse by now.
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Time for the "Battle Royale" initiative to be enacted.

... and I only sort of kid.
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Just as a side note, I absolutely love this movie... Definitely flew under the radar.
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I have worked in Toledo City Schools in Ohio for the past 10 years as a teacher and principal and can tell you most depictions of schools on tv are completely sensationalized. I have never feared for my safety or my students safety a single day of my carear. Toledo is the fourth largest city in our state behind Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati. Our schools are not falling apart, we dont have metal detectors, we dont have graffiti all over our walls, and our kids are not assaulted our killed on a weekly basis. Granted Toledo is not LA or NY, but we do have our share of gangs and violence in the city. I have seen some incredibly sad home lives and heard horrible stories from my students, but it is still not the school culture you see in the movies or watch on television. Its not even close.

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I haven't seen the movie so I can't say how accurately it represents the worst of the inner-city schools. And I don't mean to belittle Bcolon's experiences, but my own at a general high school on Chicago's west side were much different. There were definitely times when I worried for my students' safety----especially during the spring when gang recruiting became more aggressive.

IIRC, there have been something like 30 Chicago public school students die violent deaths this year.

I no longer teach in the city.

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Originally Posted by Bcolon
I have worked in Toledo City Schools in Ohio for the past 10 years as a teacher and principal and can tell you most depictions of schools on tv are completely sensationalized. I have never feared for my safety or my students safety a single day of my carear. Toledo is the fourth largest city in our state behind Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati. Our schools are not falling apart, we dont have metal detectors, we dont have graffiti all over our walls, and our kids are not assaulted our killed on a weekly basis. Granted Toledo is not LA or NY, but we do have our share of gangs and violence in the city. I have seen some incredibly sad home lives and heard horrible stories from my students, but it is still not the school culture you see in the movies or watch on television. Its not even close.
NYC isn't even that bad anymore. And not to piss in your cheerios, but the fourth largest city in Ohio compared to the western district of Philadelphia - the largest city in the state and the highest murder-rate-per-capita of the nation's ten largest cities - is like comparing apples and fighter jets. You're lucky your district is as good as it is. This is not so in many, many areas.


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Rent season 4 of The Wire when it comes out. One of the producers is a former cop who became a teacher in the Baltimore public school system and that's where a good deal of season 4 takes place, not to mention it's the best show on television.
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Originally Posted by MrX
Rent season 4 of The Wire when it comes out. One of the producers is a former cop who became a teacher in the Baltimore public school system and that's where a good deal of season 4 takes place, not to mention it's the best show on television.

Seconded, Thirded, and Fourth.... ed.


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I work NYPD/School Safety and schools over here in the South Bronx are pretty crazy. You'd be surprised how many kids bring guns to school but you'll never see it or read it in the papers.

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