No, it's the actual death of the character in the film when he's attacked by the gang.

Actor Michael Massee (who played Funboy) actually pulled the trigger and shot the fatal bullet. I guess he was pretty messed up over it. It obviously wasn't his fault but I can't imagine how he must feel about it.

That was a result of the film not being finished at the time of Lee's death.

There was another character played by Michael Berryman of "The Hills Have Eyes", he was essentially the grim reaper (in "The Crow" he's known as the Skull Cowboy) and he "revokes" Draven's powers due to all the non-revenge meddling he's been doing. The Skull Cowboy makeup effects were supposedly not up to snuff yet the scenes were so Draven/Lee heavy that the reshoots necessary to include the character were impossible.

Actually, I believe it was during a take of that scene, but not the take that's used in the film. I believe they did say they destroyed that particular segment of film where he was actually shot.

Yeah, it was destroyed. I didn't specifically say that the footage was used. I was saying that the scene they were filming when Brandon Lee is shot is the scene where his character dies in the film.

Interesting. So with today's technology, they could literally CGI a new and improved Skull Cowboy into those scenes and we could have a new cut of this film!

Skull Cowboy scene (it is pretty cheesy):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ciDeoMDAPMA

Michael Massee on "Extra" talking about shooting Lee:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zjn3WqsvE_Q

First you complain he can't be killed. Then when someone points out you're wrong and that infact, he can be harmed and killed, you complain about that. That, I think is pretty stupid. The whole him being tied to the crow is a central theme from the comics.

They raped and murdered his fiance. They pushed him out a window. Of course when he comes back he enjoys killing them. Why wouldn't he?

To mature for a movie? Now that has to be the silliest thing I've ever read.

MechanicalMan, personal attacks are against forum rules. If you can't discuss the topic without insulting other members, then please just don't post in the thread.

I know we are going in circles as you have your mind set on a movie you haven't seen in a dozen years but Draven and Shelly were killed the night before their wedding. Wouldn't that piss you off a bit? Piss you off enough to get a little enjoyment out of killing the people that did that to you and your fiance?

As for the "other side" of Draven, it's called balance. The plot would fall apart if it was strictly action based revenge. What would his motivation be if he didn't mourn the loss of his bride-to-be? He'd come back kill everyone in 40 minutes and then what? You need the softer pre-death, I'm a lover not a fighter balance for the movie to work. It lets the viewer know that this is still the same love-struck rocker from before death and not just a ruthless killing machine.

And this is why the sequels fail. They fail to give us a likable character to begin with and just end up with the ruthless killer. That is also why City of Angels works on some level compared to the other two.

Don't forget about the tv show Crow: Stairway to Heaven that was on in the late 90s. It wasn't as good as the first movie, but I thought it was a pretty solid show and worth watching - though its been years since I've seen it. Its out on DVD too.

It's coming out on DVD July 24th. And once you get past the first few episodes, which was a recreation of the movie, then it is pretty good.

Well i still believe that the movie is pretty damn good. Its one of the better comic book adaptations, and is worth picking up the DVD just to watch the interview with James O'Barr. Is it just me or does he seem to be a genuinely fucked up guy in real life? I guess when you lose the love of your life like he did it leaves a lasting effect.

I'm "complaining" that he is invincible through almost the entire movie, as I originally said. The stupid crow thing at the end doesn't magically make the rest of the movie enjoyable for me. He still can't effectively be harmed through most of the movie as far as anyone knows, and I don't think it's fun to watch. You disagree. Good for you.

:rolleyes:


I wouldn't be very happy about it, obviously, but I don't believe that it would completely change my personality. I just think it's too inconsistent, and I don't like undead Draven very much.

edit: Expanding on my last comment... I'm not a huge fan of revenge fantasy movies in general, but I can enjoy them if I think they are done reasonably well. In movies like Kill Bill, Get Carter, Rolling Thunder, etc., the characters are hardened badasses before the event that inspires the revenge. Eric Draven is a meek, lovesick guy who becomes a sadistic killer after the event. Yes, what happened to him was awful, but I still think the evolution is silly.

I loved, and still do, the first one. But the three after that were pretty much crap. Especially Salvation.

And I got shivers seeing Mark Dacascos in it as he eerily looks a lot like Brandon without the make up.

I watch it every devil's night in honor of Brandon, plus I loved the movie.

And someone needs to thank their grandpa again, cause yes it was $100 at one point on VHS, like someone pointed out every release was like that back then.

Fair enough, but you never know what people keep deep inside until something tragic happens.

Skull Cowboy didn't actually revoke Eric's powers. The deal with that character (in movie, given that in the comic he was just an illustration to express Eric's rage in a single panel) is that he was also reborn by the Crow but he chose to use his powers for reasons other than revenge and he ended up being damned to walk the earth ofr all time (this ties in to the alternate ending of The Crow: City Of Angels where the same happened to Ashe Corvin). He tries to guide Eric so that he wont make the same mistakes. He also warns Eric that he'll grow weaker each time he uses his powers to help someone. This is why he suddenly has his hands taped after he kills Funboy.

Remember when he squeezes the morphin out of Darla's arm? He was using his powers to do that. That's why (in another deleted scene) when Funboy suddenly gets up and attacks him with razor blade (that's why there was an establishinh shot of it falling to the ground earlier) he slices Eric's hands but they don't heal like they did when he swung from the window in the loft (the night he was awakened by the Crow and remembered his death). So he grabs some electrical tape from Funboy's apartment.

After the death of Skank, Eric is to be reunited with Shelly and he goes to the cemetery. That's when he see's the vision of Sarah being kidnapped and dragged into the church. He's supposed to choose to be with Shelley and just let whatever happens happen. Instead he chooses to save Sarah. That's when Skull Cowboy shows up one last time and warns Eric that he faces damnation if he interfiers. Eric ignores Skull Cowboy's warning and the Skull Cowboy fades away saying "choose and be damned". The film continues just like the theatrical cut after that point.

Given how much I love this movie... I think those scenes would ROCK.!! :rock:

I really enjoyed the film. I remember sitting in Accounting class on March 31st (I believe) and it came in over the news that Brandon Lee passed away due to an on set accident. I do agree with others that the film did make more money due to his death.