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Old 06-07-07 | 04:57 AM
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I always liked Dean Cain as Superman, but Reeve will always BE Supes

Tobey is great, Bale is awesome

Jack was a good Joker, but a little too JACK

Kevin Spacey made a good Lex

Jim Carrey as the Riddler (maybe just because I'm a big Jim Carrey fan, Frank Gorshin owns the role however)
Old 06-07-07 | 05:40 AM
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Brandon Lee in The Crow.

Also Thomas Jane in The Punisher.
Old 06-07-07 | 08:19 AM
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Just based on the effect of the actor in the role, not necessarily on the faithfulness of the movie adaptation:
Thora Birch as Enid Cohn
Paul Newman as John Looney/Rooney
Viggo Mortensen as Joey Cusack
Vincent Cassel as Blueberry
Old 06-08-07 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
Have to agree with the Reeve and Bale praise. Both of them were perfect for the roles. Other actors have nailed certain sides (Tobey was a great Peter, but not a great Spidey, Keaton was a fantastic Bruce, but not so much with the Batman) but none have nailed both sides to the personality as well.

Sir Ian was fantastic as the movie's version of Magneto, but I felt that the characterization wasn't exactly in step with the comics (I actually prefer the movie Magneto).

But I have to fervantly disagree with a couple... Danny Devito as Penguin? No way. Did he look the part? Sure... but this was one of the worst character assassinations in comics-to-film translation. The same goes for Pfeifer as Catwoman. I don't blame either of the actors, mind you, I blame the script.

Penguin may look that way, but he behaves completely counter to that. He is erudite, and affects an upper-class New English, almost British accent. He strives to fight the perception of him based on his appearance.

Likewise, Catwoman is not a mousy, insecure secretary who got "licked" back to life by alley cats. She's a sassy, smug cat burgler who takes the theatricality of it a bit too far.

In fact, all of the bat villains from the previous series have behaved totally out or character... I mean, Jack was pretty good as the Joker, but he wasn't scary. Joker's the guy who will tell you a joke, and midway through shoot you in the gut without skipping a beat and finish the joke. People run from him on the street. Jack, let's fact it, was playing Jack. Just Jack with makeup.


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I completely agree, I love those movies but i don't think any of the actors came close to their comic book counterpart, maybe Poison Ivy but thats it. I love Jack but he was not the Joker, and as Michelle was hot but she was nowhere near the Selena Kyle(?) of the books.
Old 06-08-07 | 11:51 AM
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Old 06-08-07 | 11:54 AM
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Old 06-08-07 | 12:01 PM
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I completely agree, I love those movies but i don't think any of the actors came close to their comic book counterpart, maybe Poison Ivy but thats it. I love Jack but he was not the Joker, and as Michelle was hot but she was nowhere near the Selena Kyle(?) of the books.
And again, it's not the actors. I mean they are the owner of their character, but only to the extent of the director's vision... The script called for Selina to be batshit crazy, so that's how she was played. As for Poison Ivy... (which is hard to talk about because of how painful that movie was) she had the sultry seductress thing, but again, it was just far too campy. I never really felt her total love for all that is green and her violent hatred of humanity.

And of course, let us not forget Bane... One of the only villains to seriously hurt Batman through intelligence, planning and patience (an of course all jacked up on venom) and they turn him into Ivy's mindless goon. Disgraceful.



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Old 06-08-07 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver

And of course, let us not forget Bane... One of the only villains to seriously hurt Batman through intelligence, planning and patience (an of course all jacked up on venom) and they turn him into Ivy's mindless goon. Disgraceful.



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don't even get me started on Bane. From what i've heard in the books Bane figured out that Bruce Wayne was Batman just by the way he walked(i started reading after the fact so i'm not sure if that happened or not). And i think disgraceful is even too light of word on what they did in that movie.
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Old 06-08-07 | 02:32 PM
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don't even get me started on Bane. From what i've heard in the books Bane figured out that Bruce Wayne was Batman just by the way he walked(i started reading after the fact so i'm not sure if that happened or not). And i think disgraceful is even too light of word on what they did in that movie.
It was a little more complicated, but still totally intuitive. He would stage crimes that Batman would respond to and then stakeout the batmobile. It would always leave the city traveling the same direction across the Robert Kane Memorial bridge up toward Bristol (which is to Gotham what West Chester is to New York), which confirmed Bane's theory that Batman would have to be incredibly wealthy.

He then did his research on everyone living up there... many were too old. Of the ones that were the appropriate age (narrowed down based on reports of Batman's description and on how long he's been operating in Gotham), only two had the right build - A former athlete and Olympic Champion who started his own fortune 500 and lazy, incompetent party boy Bruce Wayne.

Bane immediately knew it was Bruce Wayne and that this Playboy exterior was a front - the perfect disguise. He confirmed this when he had a fund raiser attacked and he observed from across the street. Bruce "accidentally" tripped up one of the robbers, and Bane noticed how well he handled himself. Later, as Batman was on patrol, Bane was able to tail him and observe him without being seen (not an easy feet, we're told) and noticed the same trained movement (You know that old Martial arts cliche, you can know a man, even under a mask, simply by fighting him).

That was when he made himself known and put into motion his plan on defeating Batman. This is key... most villains are filled with Hubris... and Bane is too, to be sure. But the difference is he realized Batman was better. He knew he could not take Bats in his prime, so he freed the inmates of Arkham. He watched Batman go out night after night on little to no sleep, getting injured and not properly tending to the wounds, eating little if anything at all... and only after weeks of this when Bruce was so dead tired and weak that he literally got back to the cave, took off the cape and cowl (didn't even take off the costume, just walked upstairs toward the bed) did Bane make his move, standing in the living room, holding an unconscious Alfred as Batman came up from the cave.



And look what Joel Shithead did to him.



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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
It was a little more complicated, but still totally intuitive. He would stage crimes that Batman would respond to and then stakeout the batmobile. It would always leave the city traveling the same direction across the Robert Kane Memorial bridge up toward Bristol (which is to Gotham what West Chester is to New York), which confirmed Bane's theory that Batman would have to be incredibly wealthy.

He then did his research on everyone living up there... many were too old. Of the ones that were the appropriate age (narrowed down based on reports of Batman's description and on how long he's been operating in Gotham), only two had the right build - A former athlete and Olympic Champion who started his own fortune 500 and lazy, incompetent party boy Bruce Wayne.

Bane immediately knew it was Bruce Wayne and that this Playboy exterior was a front - the perfect disguise. He confirmed this when he had a fund raiser attacked and he observed from across the street. Bruce "accidentally" tripped up one of the robbers, and Bane noticed how well he handled himself. Later, as Batman was on patrol, Bane was able to tail him and observe him without being seen (not an easy feet, we're told) and noticed the same trained movement (You know that old Martial arts cliche, you can know a man, even under a mask, simply by fighting him).

That was when he made himself known and put into motion his plan on defeating Batman. This is key... most villains are filled with Hubris... and Bane is too, to be sure. But the difference is he realized Batman was better. He knew he could not take Bats in his prime, so he freed the inmates of Arkham. He watched Batman go out night after night on little to no sleep, getting injured and not properly tending to the wounds, eating little if anything at all... and only after weeks of this when Bruce was so dead tired and weak that he literally got back to the cave, took off the cape and cowl (didn't even take off the costume, just walked upstairs toward the bed) did Bane make his move, standing in the living room, holding an unconscious Alfred as Batman came up from the cave.



And look what Joel Shithead did to him.



Doc
off the subject but is there a TPB of that storyline.
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off the subject but is there a TPB of that storyline.

It's actually a few... there are three books in all, Knightfall: Part one, Knightfall: Part two - KnightsQuest, and Knightfall: part 3- KnightsEnd. It falters here and there and totally reeks of late '80s, early '90s comic logic, but it's still pretty good. There's also a very good novelization of it by the same name - Knightfall.

Though if you want to read the best novel based off of a Batman storyline, read "No Man's Land"... cannot recommend it enough. I even got non-comic-fan friends of mine to read it and they raved about it.

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Originally Posted by paradicelost
off the subject but is there a TPB of that storyline.
Yeah, its the Knightfall storyline. I think the TPB is split into Part 1 and Part 2.

I also really liked Bale as Batman.
Old 06-08-07 | 04:08 PM
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Mickey Rourke as Marv was a great idea. Christopher Reeve will ALWAYS be Superman in my eyes. Oh, and Ron Perlman as Hellboy was genius. A more well known actor would have insisted on his face being seen, but with Perlman it didn't matter and he had enough smart ass persona to bring the character to life.

While many will most likely disagree, I would have to say Thomas Jane was a good Punisher. Granted, the writers didn't know how to handle the character, but it was evident in Jane's performance that he understood what Frank Castle was all about and gave all he could for the fans with the material he was given.
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I've always said I would love seeing the "Breaking of the Bat" storyline, and the aftermath with Azreal. Last time i mentioned it here I pretty much got told that it would never make a good movie and I didn't know what i was talking about
Old 06-08-07 | 04:53 PM
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Paul Giamatti in American Splendor, probably doesn't count since he's real I suppose.
Old 06-08-07 | 04:59 PM
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Kevin Conroy - voice of Batman
Clancy Brown - voice of Lex Luthor
Dana Delany - voice of Lois Lane
Mark Hamill - voice of The Joker

All of these actors turned in definitive performances as far as I'm concerned, especially Conroy.

Live action:

Hugh Jackman did great things with his portrayal or Wolverine.
Gary Oldman was a fucking fantastic young Jim Gordon.
Michael Caine's Alfred really hit the spot as well.
Old 06-08-07 | 05:24 PM
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Reeve actually went through the rigorous weight gaining, unlike that muscle-suit wearing imposter.

Tobey's Spider-man was a blank in the movies. You don't get inside his head. When he puts that mask on he should be a whole different person, the fun and upbeat guy doing the wisecracks like in the comics.

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but I hated they way bale did batman's voice. The really scary over the top voice he tries to force. Conroy did it soooo much better.
Keaton's Batman had the coolest voice next to Conroy. His portrayal is still my favorite, i remember Burton once said Keaton had this madness in his eyes.
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I've always said I would love seeing the "Breaking of the Bat" storyline, and the aftermath with Azreal. Last time i mentioned it here I pretty much got told that it would never make a good movie and I didn't know what i was talking about
They very briefly touched on the Knightfall storyline in the new Batman animated series.
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
It's actually a few... there are three books in all, Knightfall: Part one, Knightfall: Part two - KnightsQuest, and Knightfall: part 3- KnightsEnd. It falters here and there and totally reeks of late '80s, early '90s comic logic, but it's still pretty good. There's also a very good novelization of it by the same name - Knightfall.

Though if you want to read the best novel based off of a Batman storyline, read "No Man's Land"... cannot recommend it enough. I even got non-comic-fan friends of mine to read it and they raved about it.

< thread-jack ended >

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Was the about the aftermath of the earthquake in Gontham. I saw some of the TPB of that storyline. It was broke up into 4 parts and i had 1, and i found 3 & 4 but i never could find 2. I need those and i've been trying to find the TPB of i elieve it was called "Legacy", it followed the Contagion storylin Now that i'm way off topic.
And i loved Paul Giamatti
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
It's actually a few... there are three books in all, Knightfall: Part one, Knightfall: Part two - KnightsQuest, and Knightfall: part 3- KnightsEnd. It falters here and there and totally reeks of late '80s, early '90s comic logic, but it's still pretty good. There's also a very good novelization of it by the same name - Knightfall.

Though if you want to read the best novel based off of a Batman storyline, read "No Man's Land"... cannot recommend it enough. I even got non-comic-fan friends of mine to read it and they raved about it.

< thread-jack ended >

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Was the about the aftermath of the earthquake in Gontham. I saw some of the TPB of that storyline. It was broke up into 4 parts and i had 1, and i found 3 & 4 but i never could find 2. I need those and i've been trying to find the TPB of i elieve it was called "Legacy", it followed the Contagion storylin Now that i'm way off topic.
And i loved Paul Giamatti in American Splendor, it helped me go out of find some of American Splendor books. I really like them, he gets a little preachy political wise in some parts but i guess thats part of his style.
Old 06-09-07 | 01:05 AM
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The Knightfall TPB's don't cover any of that stuff about Bane figuring out who Batman is, just so you know.
Knightfall is my all-time favorite Batman stroyline.
Old 06-09-07 | 02:57 AM
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Old 06-09-07 | 04:43 AM
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Tommy Lee Jones - Agent K
Tom Hanks - Michael Sullivan
Bale - Wayne
Rourke - Marv

And I know it was completely over the top, but I loved Gerard Butler as King Leonidas in 300.
Old 06-10-07 | 03:23 AM
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What about Bill Campbell as the Rocketeer and Jennifer Connelly as Jenny. She was so freakin' hot in that movie. I always thought that was one of the better adaptations; too bad it bombed.


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