Different actors, same character - Sequel related
02-04-07, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by emachine12
Aladdin (Walt Disney)
Robin Williams -> Dan Castellaneta -> Robin Williams -> Dan Castellaneta = Genie
[Disney made Willaims mad before the second sequel so he refused to participate. After a long making up session, Willaims returns for the third film. For the TV show sequel, Disney went back to Castellaneta.]
Robin Williams -> Dan Castellaneta -> Robin Williams -> Dan Castellaneta = Genie
[Disney made Willaims mad before the second sequel so he refused to participate. After a long making up session, Willaims returns for the third film. For the TV show sequel, Disney went back to Castellaneta.]
I thought it was just a money issue.
02-04-07, 10:04 PM
#34
Robin Williams accepted union scale for Aladdin (1992) on the terms that his voice not be used for merchandising and that the Genie character only occupy 25% or less of marketing products. The Walt Disney Company reneged on this (obviously, since the Genie would be the most popular character), so Williams' refused to return for Aladdin: The Return of Jafar. Michael Eisner attempted to "make good" to Robin Williams with both a public apology and gift which was refused. When Jeffrey Katzenberg was fired and the new producer apologized for the errors; Williams' returned to the franchise with Aladdin: The King of Thieves. Interestingly enough, Dan Castellaneta did record dialogue for the third film which was shelved and replaced by Williams.
02-04-07, 10:38 PM
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Surprised no one said Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, granted there's the age issue, but it's still pretty frakked up when you think about it.
Ep. I - Jake Lloyd
Ep. II-III - Hayden Christensen
Ep. IV-VI - David Prowse for body movements, James Earl Jones as the voice, Sebastian Shaw playing unmasked Vader, and then back to Hayden Christensen as a Jedi spirit (only ROTJ current edition).
Ep. I - Jake Lloyd
Ep. II-III - Hayden Christensen
Ep. IV-VI - David Prowse for body movements, James Earl Jones as the voice, Sebastian Shaw playing unmasked Vader, and then back to Hayden Christensen as a Jedi spirit (only ROTJ current edition).
02-05-07, 02:03 AM
#36
Originally Posted by GuruTwo
Yeah but "The Silence of the Lambs" was never intended to be a cinematic followup to "Manhunter". They certainly downplayed the connection (IE: they didn't want to associate their high-profile movie with an obscure flop) and there's no evidence they ever even considered recasting Brian Cox. As it stands "Manhunter" and "The Silence of the Lambs" are no more "related" than, say, any two random Sherlock Holmes adaptations. The books upon which they are based are related but as cinematic entities they are not.
02-05-07, 03:19 AM
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In Arthur, the character of Susan Johnson (the woman that
Arthur was supposed to marry) was played by Jill Eikenberry,
but in the sequel, the character was played by Cynthia Sikes.
Rob
Arthur was supposed to marry) was played by Jill Eikenberry,
but in the sequel, the character was played by Cynthia Sikes.
Rob
02-05-07, 03:25 AM
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So why did they remake it? They even used the same DP that worked on Manhunter. Even with the different ending it basically was a remake of Manhunter except they used the original title.
Ratner used Spinotti because he had worked with him before on "The Family Man" and he subsequently worked with Spinotti on "After the Sunset" and "X-Men: The Last Stand". There was definitely a level of "hey, he worked on the other one so he's a good choice" but by now it's obvious that Ratner just likes working with him.
The reason they "remade" it was BECAUSE "Manhunter" isn't connected to "The Silence of the Lambs" cinematically and now there's a version of it that features most of the same cast (the original actors appeared as three of the four recurring characters from "Silence") and a visual style, production design (courtesy of "Silence" production designer Kristi Zea) etc.
Basically all the similarities can be attributed to the fact that they both adapted the same source material. I've watched all 4 Lecter films within the past week and even with Dante Spinotti working on both "Manhunter" and "Red Dragon" the visual similarities are pretty minimal. Ratner obviously (and wisely) knew that it would be better to ape Jonathan Demme than Michael Mann and there are instances of the Demme trademark "staring into the camera closeup" from "Silence" but none of the awkward editing and dated visuals of "Manhunter".
But the Bond movies are a series. If you want to call them sequels, then the Sherlock Holmes and Tarzan movies count too.
Furthermore, there IS continuity in the first 20 of those films. There is something akin to comic book aging at play where the Bond character doesn't age while current time progresses but aside from the aforementioned Blofeld continuity error between "You Only Live Twice" and "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" and a few small gaffes like Bond's inability to read Chinese in "Tomorrow Never Dies" (he claims to have studied Oriental languages in "You Only Live Twice") there are numerous attempts made throughout the series to continuously remind the audience that the Bond they're watching is the same one they've always watched.
Take the death of Tracy. It occurs in Lazenby's only film but it's implied in the subsequent film (starring Connery) and is later mentioned in films starring Moore, Dalton and Brosnan. You also have scenes in both "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" and "Die Another Day" when the current Bond actor (Lazenby and Brosnan, respectively) show familiarity with gadgets used in previous films regardless of the actor playing them.
As for "Casino Royale", it may feature a rebooted and different version of the character in the previous 20 films, EON Productions does consider it "Bond 21" and continues to use that numbering when producing new Bond films, for example the upcoming Bond film is "Bond 22" until it's officially titled.
But yeah, if you're going to compare the Bond series to Holmes, Dracula and Tarzan you have to acknowledge the different series within the larger parameters of all films featuring that character. The Bonds featured in the TV version of "Casino Royale", the spoof version and "Never Say Never Again" are all different than the Bond(s) of the EON films but that's not to say that it's an appropriate comparison.
When it comes to Bond, there are 23 films plus a TV episode and 21 of those are considered part of the same series. When it comes to Lecter there are 5 films, four of which are part of the same series (I'm counting "Hannibal Rising" as part of the Hopkins series since Gaspard Ulliel based his performance on Hopkins), there are 7 theatrical Batman films in four different series, etc.
02-05-07, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Simpson Purist
Surprised no one said Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, granted there's the age issue, but it's still pretty frakked up when you think about it.
Ep. IV-VI - David Prowse for body movements, James Earl Jones as the voice, Sebastian Shaw playing unmasked Vader, and then back to Hayden Christensen as a Jedi spirit (only ROTJ current edition).
Ep. IV-VI - David Prowse for body movements, James Earl Jones as the voice, Sebastian Shaw playing unmasked Vader, and then back to Hayden Christensen as a Jedi spirit (only ROTJ current edition).
02-05-07, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GuruTwo
"Red Dragon" is a second adaptation of the novel "Red Dragon", not a remake of "Manhunter".
Ratner used Spinotti because he had worked with him before on "The Family Man" and he subsequently worked with Spinotti on "After the Sunset" and "X-Men: The Last Stand". There was definitely a level of "hey, he worked on the other one so he's a good choice" but by now it's obvious that Ratner just likes working with him.
The reason they "remade" it was BECAUSE "Manhunter" isn't connected to "The Silence of the Lambs" cinematically and now there's a version of it that features most of the same cast (the original actors appeared as three of the four recurring characters from "Silence") and a visual style, production design (courtesy of "Silence" production designer Kristi Zea) etc.
Basically all the similarities can be attributed to the fact that they both adapted the same source material. I've watched all 4 Lecter films within the past week and even with Dante Spinotti working on both "Manhunter" and "Red Dragon" the visual similarities are pretty minimal. Ratner obviously (and wisely) knew that it would be better to ape Jonathan Demme than Michael Mann and there are instances of the Demme trademark "staring into the camera closeup" from "Silence" but none of the awkward editing and dated visuals of "Manhunter".
Ratner used Spinotti because he had worked with him before on "The Family Man" and he subsequently worked with Spinotti on "After the Sunset" and "X-Men: The Last Stand". There was definitely a level of "hey, he worked on the other one so he's a good choice" but by now it's obvious that Ratner just likes working with him.
The reason they "remade" it was BECAUSE "Manhunter" isn't connected to "The Silence of the Lambs" cinematically and now there's a version of it that features most of the same cast (the original actors appeared as three of the four recurring characters from "Silence") and a visual style, production design (courtesy of "Silence" production designer Kristi Zea) etc.
Basically all the similarities can be attributed to the fact that they both adapted the same source material. I've watched all 4 Lecter films within the past week and even with Dante Spinotti working on both "Manhunter" and "Red Dragon" the visual similarities are pretty minimal. Ratner obviously (and wisely) knew that it would be better to ape Jonathan Demme than Michael Mann and there are instances of the Demme trademark "staring into the camera closeup" from "Silence" but none of the awkward editing and dated visuals of "Manhunter".
No matter how you "slice" it; Mann is leagues ahead of Rattner as a director and to most it's basically the same movie.
02-05-07, 02:09 PM
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No matter how you "slice" it; Mann is leagues ahead of Rattner as a director and to most it's basically the same movie.
02-05-07, 04:22 PM
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Rocky Jr. (III, IV & V)
02-05-07, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by candyrocket786
Rocky Jr. (III, IV & V)
More like: Rocky Jr: II, III, IV, V, and VI
How about: Wesley Snipes -----> Omar Epps in Major League I and II
02-05-07, 05:03 PM
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Guyver, Guyver II: Dark Hero
TMNT I, II III (April O'neil/Voice Actors)
X-Men Films (Kitty Pride, Pyro, Jubilee)
TMNT I, II III (April O'neil/Voice Actors)
X-Men Films (Kitty Pride, Pyro, Jubilee)
02-05-07, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by candyrocket786
TMNT I, II III (April O'neil/Voice Actors)
I know it's not a sequel or movie but since they used Kevin C. to voice Batman in more than one series I think it should get a honorable mention.
02-05-07, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GuruTwo
No matter how you "slice" it; "Manhunter" is a schlocky b-movie that Mann crapped out on his "Miami Vice" hiatus and it would have faded into obscurity if it wasn't for Jonathan Demme taking similar source material and doing it right, and even if you can't respect Ratner for doing no more than avoiding Mann's mistakes and aping Demme's successes you can still look at his film and appreciate that it's better than Mann's in every single way.
02-06-07, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Superman in Superman:TAS is a different actor than the one in Justice League/JLU
I know it's not a sequel or movie but since they used Kevin C. to voice Batman in more than one series I think it should get a honorable mention.
I know it's not a sequel or movie but since they used Kevin C. to voice Batman in more than one series I think it should get a honorable mention.
Tim Daly voiced Supes during the three seasons of STAS and that crappy Brainiac movie.
George Newburn voiced Supes during JL/JLU