My problem with comedies like "THE BIG LEBOWSKI"
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
My problem with so-called comedies like The Big Lebowski is when you have something very "un-funny" occur within the premise of the story. I'm not talking about a bad guy falling off a cliff in his car (which is pretty funny), or a girl getting bashed in the face with a hard-packed snowball (which Lauren Holly took in great stride), but what I am talking about is something disgusting like some guy getting his ear bit off!
Scenes like that ruined The Big Lebowski for me. There's no comedy in John Goodman doing something like that to a person - is there? That kind of stuff is reserved for bloody thrillers written and directed by Quentin Tarantino.
There are other comedies that have "real horrors" attached to them that I can't think of at the moment. What are some others?
Scenes like that ruined The Big Lebowski for me. There's no comedy in John Goodman doing something like that to a person - is there? That kind of stuff is reserved for bloody thrillers written and directed by Quentin Tarantino.
There are other comedies that have "real horrors" attached to them that I can't think of at the moment. What are some others?
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Violence can be funny...Cannibal! the Musical and the Sam Peckinpah sketch from MP's Flying Circus come to mind.
I don't think the earbiting thing was necessarily out of character. But then I also don't think Lebowski was all that funny. *shrug* I don't dislike 'dry' comedy, some of my favorite comedies are Woody Allen's early work, but TBL did absolutely nothing for me.
So if I had found the rest of the movie funny, I might have found the earbiting funny as well.
I don't think the earbiting thing was necessarily out of character. But then I also don't think Lebowski was all that funny. *shrug* I don't dislike 'dry' comedy, some of my favorite comedies are Woody Allen's early work, but TBL did absolutely nothing for me.
So if I had found the rest of the movie funny, I might have found the earbiting funny as well.
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John Goodman fighting the Nihilists is one of the best parts of the movie. When he launches the bowling ball into Flea's gut/chest, I lose it every time. Him biting the ear off of Peter Stormare's adds to the character's lunacy, which is funny.
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*shrug* Didn't find it funny. There were some funny bits in it, and I do like John Goodman and Steve Buscemi; Goodman's character was frightening/funny because he was so intense. But the movie as a whole left me underwhelmed, and while I can see Star Trek conventions or whatnot, I can't understand why this movie has such appeal.
Granted, Wikipedia may not be the end-all source, but there are quite a few films listed under the entry for "black comedy" that I do like...Brazil, the 'burbs, Dr Strangelove of course. There are some on that list I didn't care for--I turned off Royal Tenenbaums twenty minutes in, and American Psycho did nothing for me. I would have like Death to Smoochy but while I'm not averse to language, the language in it was entirely gratuitous and overboard [yes, I know, that's part of the "comedy", but it was overkill to me.]
Granted, Wikipedia may not be the end-all source, but there are quite a few films listed under the entry for "black comedy" that I do like...Brazil, the 'burbs, Dr Strangelove of course. There are some on that list I didn't care for--I turned off Royal Tenenbaums twenty minutes in, and American Psycho did nothing for me. I would have like Death to Smoochy but while I'm not averse to language, the language in it was entirely gratuitous and overboard [yes, I know, that's part of the "comedy", but it was overkill to me.]
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
if you thought Fargo was a comedy, then you are a scary person.
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I thought it was hilarious, but many people had this problem with Very Bad Things.
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To me, Fargo is a drama. People think its a comedy because of the way the people talk, but that's how they really talk in real life, and once I got past that, I wiped that stoopid grin off my face.
The whole concept of "Fargo" lends itself to a drama - the plot involves a car salesman who's apparently in over his head (although we're not told how or why, other than the fact that he's stupid), and has his lovely and supportive wife kidnapped for a ransom. (funny?) You have two sophisticated hit men assigned to the task who talk "normal," but have funny repartee with one another (amusing, but not hysterical), with the end result being: #1: death; #2: imprisonment; #3: bewilderment (Margie didn't understand the whole thing). I don't even see this as a dark comedy - its a regular drama...William H Macy's agonizing cry of frustration when the cops find him in the motel cinches that for me.
As far as Lebowski - I did find the majority of the film funny (I noted earlier the ashes blowing against the wind)...but the vagrant violence Goodman displayed took all the laughs out of it. If I was in a fight with somebody, I would never want or do what Goodman did - that just brings everything to a whole new level. If you find it funny...then maybe you wouldn't think twice about doing the same thing?
The whole concept of "Fargo" lends itself to a drama - the plot involves a car salesman who's apparently in over his head (although we're not told how or why, other than the fact that he's stupid), and has his lovely and supportive wife kidnapped for a ransom. (funny?) You have two sophisticated hit men assigned to the task who talk "normal," but have funny repartee with one another (amusing, but not hysterical), with the end result being: #1: death; #2: imprisonment; #3: bewilderment (Margie didn't understand the whole thing). I don't even see this as a dark comedy - its a regular drama...William H Macy's agonizing cry of frustration when the cops find him in the motel cinches that for me.
As far as Lebowski - I did find the majority of the film funny (I noted earlier the ashes blowing against the wind)...but the vagrant violence Goodman displayed took all the laughs out of it. If I was in a fight with somebody, I would never want or do what Goodman did - that just brings everything to a whole new level. If you find it funny...then maybe you wouldn't think twice about doing the same thing?
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FARGO = DRAMEDY..which is more closer to real life than balls out comedies or straight dramas. I even discussd this with my friend about the movie INSOMNIA (just as an example out of thin air thats all) I posed that in real life even in miserable situations there is usually someone cracking a joke or making light banter. I wish there were more movies like FARGO in tone that mixes up these elements.
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
If you find it funny...then maybe you wouldn't think twice about doing the same thing?
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I don't understand why you can't just say "certain elements of comedy aren't for me," rather than "this empirically isn't funny."
Clearly it's a situation of feel, since you personally are fine with a bad guy going off a cliff in a car but not getting his ear bitten off.
Clearly it's a situation of feel, since you personally are fine with a bad guy going off a cliff in a car but not getting his ear bitten off.
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I guess its definitely a situation of feel (whatever that means), as a guy getting his ear bitten off is very personal, while going down a cliff in a car is surreal (since Bill Murray wasn't hurt from it).
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
To me, Fargo is a drama. People think its a comedy because of the way the people talk, but that's how they really talk in real life, and once I got past that, I wiped that stoopid grin off my face.
That's like saying Cheech and Chong movies aren't comedies, because stoners really talk like that.
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
To me, Fargo is a drama. People think its a comedy because of the way the people talk, but that's how they really talk in real life, and once I got past that, I wiped that stoopid grin off my face.
The whole concept of "Fargo" lends itself to a drama - the plot involves a car salesman who's apparently in over his head (although we're not told how or why, other than the fact that he's stupid), and has his lovely and supportive wife kidnapped for a ransom. (funny?) You have two sophisticated hit men assigned to the task who talk "normal," but have funny repartee with one another (amusing, but not hysterical), with the end result being: #1: death; #2: imprisonment; #3: bewilderment (Margie didn't understand the whole thing). I don't even see this as a dark comedy - its a regular drama...William H Macy's agonizing cry of frustration when the cops find him in the motel cinches that for me.
As far as Lebowski - I did find the majority of the film funny (I noted earlier the ashes blowing against the wind)...but the vagrant violence Goodman displayed took all the laughs out of it. If I was in a fight with somebody, I would never want or do what Goodman did - that just brings everything to a whole new level. If you find it funny...then maybe you wouldn't think twice about doing the same thing?
The whole concept of "Fargo" lends itself to a drama - the plot involves a car salesman who's apparently in over his head (although we're not told how or why, other than the fact that he's stupid), and has his lovely and supportive wife kidnapped for a ransom. (funny?) You have two sophisticated hit men assigned to the task who talk "normal," but have funny repartee with one another (amusing, but not hysterical), with the end result being: #1: death; #2: imprisonment; #3: bewilderment (Margie didn't understand the whole thing). I don't even see this as a dark comedy - its a regular drama...William H Macy's agonizing cry of frustration when the cops find him in the motel cinches that for me.
As far as Lebowski - I did find the majority of the film funny (I noted earlier the ashes blowing against the wind)...but the vagrant violence Goodman displayed took all the laughs out of it. If I was in a fight with somebody, I would never want or do what Goodman did - that just brings everything to a whole new level. If you find it funny...then maybe you wouldn't think twice about doing the same thing?
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Originally Posted by Buttmunker
To me, Fargo is a drama. People think its a comedy because of the way the people talk, but that's how they really talk in real life, and once I got past that, I wiped that stoopid grin off my face.
The whole concept of "Fargo" lends itself to a drama - the plot involves a car salesman who's apparently in over his head (although we're not told how or why, other than the fact that he's stupid), and has his lovely and supportive wife kidnapped for a ransom. (funny?) You have two sophisticated hit men assigned to the task who talk "normal," but have funny repartee with one another (amusing, but not hysterical), with the end result being: #1: death; #2: imprisonment; #3: bewilderment (Margie didn't understand the whole thing). I don't even see this as a dark comedy - its a regular drama...William H Macy's agonizing cry of frustration when the cops find him in the motel cinches that for me.
As far as Lebowski - I did find the majority of the film funny (I noted earlier the ashes blowing against the wind)...but the vagrant violence Goodman displayed took all the laughs out of it. If I was in a fight with somebody, I would never want or do what Goodman did - that just brings everything to a whole new level. If you find it funny...then maybe you wouldn't think twice about doing the same thing?
The whole concept of "Fargo" lends itself to a drama - the plot involves a car salesman who's apparently in over his head (although we're not told how or why, other than the fact that he's stupid), and has his lovely and supportive wife kidnapped for a ransom. (funny?) You have two sophisticated hit men assigned to the task who talk "normal," but have funny repartee with one another (amusing, but not hysterical), with the end result being: #1: death; #2: imprisonment; #3: bewilderment (Margie didn't understand the whole thing). I don't even see this as a dark comedy - its a regular drama...William H Macy's agonizing cry of frustration when the cops find him in the motel cinches that for me.
As far as Lebowski - I did find the majority of the film funny (I noted earlier the ashes blowing against the wind)...but the vagrant violence Goodman displayed took all the laughs out of it. If I was in a fight with somebody, I would never want or do what Goodman did - that just brings everything to a whole new level. If you find it funny...then maybe you wouldn't think twice about doing the same thing?
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Originally Posted by Mabuse
Fargo is a comedy. The accents have nothing to do with why it's a comedy. Repeat...Fargo is a comedy.
I agree with FinkPish in that you're being too judgemental. You're taking what is essentially something that's subjective and internal (whether one finds certain violence in comedies to be funny) and trying to objectify and externalizing it by saying that the "problem" is with the film itself.
In reality, there is not "problem," either with the film or with yourself. There's just differing tastes. By the response of many on this thread as well as the general critical response to the film, there's nothing "wrong" with the violence displayed in the Big Lebowski, as many did actually find it amusing, or at the least not deterring to the film overall.
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Originally Posted by Mabuse
Fargo is a comedy. The accents have nothing to do with why it's a comedy. Repeat...Fargo is a comedy.





