Some Bond help...
11-28-06 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GuruTwo
Yeah I just love running to my stereo to cue alternate music while watching a movie.
I also find that it's more enjoyable to put a second TV next to the one playing a John Glen 80's Bond movie so that I can watch something that doesn't look like a direct-to-video b-movie when Glen's complete mediocrety as a director becomes too much to bear, which is pretty much any given moment in any of his 5 Bond flicks.
I also find that it's more enjoyable to put a second TV next to the one playing a John Glen 80's Bond movie so that I can watch something that doesn't look like a direct-to-video b-movie when Glen's complete mediocrety as a director becomes too much to bear, which is pretty much any given moment in any of his 5 Bond flicks.
The only Glen Bond film that I openly dislike is AVTAK, but to each his own.
11-29-06 | 01:04 AM
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The thing about Glen's films is that they're just "meh".
The universally-despised entries like "Moonraker" and "Die Another Day" are gloriously bad whereas Glen's films are just mediocre and mediocrety is the worst possible result when you're dealing with entertainment.
The universally-despised entries like "Moonraker" and "Die Another Day" are gloriously bad whereas Glen's films are just mediocre and mediocrety is the worst possible result when you're dealing with entertainment.
11-29-06 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GuruTwo
The thing about Glen's films is that they're just "meh".
The universally-despised entries like "Moonraker" and "Die Another Day" are gloriously bad whereas Glen's films are just mediocre and mediocrety is the worst possible result when you're dealing with entertainment.
The universally-despised entries like "Moonraker" and "Die Another Day" are gloriously bad whereas Glen's films are just mediocre and mediocrety is the worst possible result when you're dealing with entertainment.
11-29-06 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by GuruTwo
Lowering box-office returns led to lowering budgets which didn't exactly help the mediocre direction of John Glen, who unfortunately directed more Bond films than any other director (he did all 5 of the 80's Bond films).
11-29-06 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dhmac
Agree 100%. John Glen's bland TV-Movie-Of-The-Week filmmaking style made the '80s (by far, IMO) the worst decade for Bond. (And the diminishing box office returns on his blandly-made entries in the series almost killed off the entire franchise.)
2 Films Prior to JOHN GLEN:
The Spy Who Loved Me = $185 million worldwide
Moonraker = $210 million worldwide
JOHN GLEN:
For Your Eyes Only = $195 million worldwide
Octopussy = $187 million worldwide
A View To A Kill = $154 million worldwide
The Living Daylights = $191 million worldwide
Licence To Kill = $156 million worldwide
2 Films Post JOHN GLEN:
GoldenEye = $351 million
Tomorrow Never Dies = $333 million
Granted, the movies Glen directed dropped off a bit, but those numbers seem pretty darn strong to me, and the myth the Glen's movies (or Timothy Dalton for that matter) were "killing off the franchise" is an absolute fabrication (more fan-boy reaction and studio PR when they wanted to hire a new director/replace the actor playing Bond). Bond movies have ALWAYS made big money for the studio.
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11-29-06 | 11:21 PM
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Diminishing returns?
2 Films Prior to JOHN GLEN:
Live And Let Die = $161 million worldwide
The Man With The Golden Gun = $97 million worldwide
JOHN GLEN:
The Spy Who Loved Me = $185 million worldwide
Moonraker = $210 million worldwide
For Your Eyes Only = $195 million worldwide
Octopussy = $187 million worldwide
A View To A Kill = $154 million worldwide
2 Films Post JOHN GLEN:
The Living Daylights = $191 million worldwide
Licence To Kill = $156 million worldwide
Granted, the movies Glen directed dropped off a bit, but those numbers seem pretty darn strong to me, and the myth the Glen's movies (or Timothy Dalton's for that matter) were "killing off the franchise" is an absolute fabrication (more fan-boy reaction and studio PR when they wanted to hire a new director/replace the actor playing Bond). Bond movies have ALWAYS made big money for the studio.
2 Films Prior to JOHN GLEN:
Live And Let Die = $161 million worldwide
The Man With The Golden Gun = $97 million worldwide
JOHN GLEN:
The Spy Who Loved Me = $185 million worldwide
Moonraker = $210 million worldwide
For Your Eyes Only = $195 million worldwide
Octopussy = $187 million worldwide
A View To A Kill = $154 million worldwide
2 Films Post JOHN GLEN:
The Living Daylights = $191 million worldwide
Licence To Kill = $156 million worldwide
Granted, the movies Glen directed dropped off a bit, but those numbers seem pretty darn strong to me, and the myth the Glen's movies (or Timothy Dalton's for that matter) were "killing off the franchise" is an absolute fabrication (more fan-boy reaction and studio PR when they wanted to hire a new director/replace the actor playing Bond). Bond movies have ALWAYS made big money for the studio.
Glen didn't direct "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Moonraker". Lewis Gilbert (director of "You Only Live Twice") did.
Glen's reign of mediocrety is "For Your Eyes Only" through "License to Kill", AKA "The 80's".
If you look at the box office of his films you see a steady decline in the Moore films and then a slight boost with the Dalton films, though "License to Kill" grossed significantly lower than "The Living Daylights".
"License to Kill" is terribly cheesy and dated and it only grossed $2 million more than Roger Moore's least-successful Bond flick (Glen's "A View To A Kill") which really is splitting hairs when you look at the fact that it was released 4 years later.
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11-30-06 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GuruTwo
Uh...
Glen didn't direct "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Moonraker". Lewis Gilbert (director of "You Only Live Twice") did.
Glen's reign of mediocrety is "For Your Eyes Only" through "License to Kill", AKA "The 80's".
If you look at the box office of his films you see a steady decline in the Moore films and then a slight boost with the Dalton films, though "License to Kill" grossed significantly lower than "The Living Daylights".
"License to Kill" is terribly cheesy and dated and it only grossed $2 million more than Roger Moore's least-successful Bond flick (Glen's "A View To A Kill") which really is splitting hairs when you look at the fact that it was released 4 years later.
Glen didn't direct "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Moonraker". Lewis Gilbert (director of "You Only Live Twice") did.
Glen's reign of mediocrety is "For Your Eyes Only" through "License to Kill", AKA "The 80's".
If you look at the box office of his films you see a steady decline in the Moore films and then a slight boost with the Dalton films, though "License to Kill" grossed significantly lower than "The Living Daylights".
"License to Kill" is terribly cheesy and dated and it only grossed $2 million more than Roger Moore's least-successful Bond flick (Glen's "A View To A Kill") which really is splitting hairs when you look at the fact that it was released 4 years later.
BTW, I'm surprised you think "Licence" is cheesy...it's the one previous Bond that has the most in common with the current CASINO ROYALE (in tone, if not in plot). "The Living Daylights" is my personal favorite Bond movie, so I get kind of defensive about that one too...I think it was the perfect mix of "realistic" Bond with girls, gadgets and guns.
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11-30-06 | 01:07 PM
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Dr. No - kinda long, but very serious. Part where Connery executes the Dent is fantastic.
From Russia With Love - actual spying, working with others. Kinda cool Hithcockian thing going with the train and the boats too.
Goldfinger = series started turning here towards ludicrous, but its still the right mix.
On Her Majesty's Secret Service = great movie. Sad one too
For Your Eyes Only = serious Moore. Nice tie-in with OHMSS too.
Spy Who Loved Me = I like this one, and I don't think its that over the top. Has a reference to On Her Majesty's Secret Service as well.
Living Daylights - Somewhat "realistic" Bond. I liked Dalton in this one, I didn't really like License that much.
Haven't seen Casino Royale yet, will see it after exams.
From Russia With Love - actual spying, working with others. Kinda cool Hithcockian thing going with the train and the boats too.
Goldfinger = series started turning here towards ludicrous, but its still the right mix.
On Her Majesty's Secret Service = great movie. Sad one too
For Your Eyes Only = serious Moore. Nice tie-in with OHMSS too.
Spy Who Loved Me = I like this one, and I don't think its that over the top. Has a reference to On Her Majesty's Secret Service as well.
Living Daylights - Somewhat "realistic" Bond. I liked Dalton in this one, I didn't really like License that much.
Haven't seen Casino Royale yet, will see it after exams.
11-30-06 | 01:53 PM
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My bad...I corrected my post, but the numbers are so close, I still think my statement holds. Granted the Brosnan movies made more, but can we really say Glen's movies are any more "cheesy" than what some of the directors did with Brosnan?
BTW, I'm surprised you think "Licence" is cheesy...it's the one previous Bond that has the most in common with the current CASINO ROYALE (in tone, if not in plot). "The Living Daylights" is my personal favorite Bond movie, so I get kind of defensive about that one too...I think it was the perfect mix of "realistic" Bond with girls, gadgets and guns.
Everything about it screams "cheap low-budget 80's action movie". It's like a Chuck Norris movie. It's no surprise that Glen later went on to direct "Aces: Iron Eagle III". "Casino Royale" is similar to "License to Kill" in many respects but it's on track to become the most-successful Bond movie ever whereas "License to Kill" is the least-successful Bond movie ever (at least when you take stuff like inflation into account) because they did "Casino Royale" right whereas they cut corners and phoned it in with "License to Kill".
11-30-06 | 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GuruTwo
It's like a Chuck Norris movie.
I'm sure there is an obligatory Chuck Norris joke coming.Well "License to Kill" was (i can admit) tolerable, but it had more "80's action movie" feel than a "James Bond movie" feel. Plus the theme song isn't one of the better themes.
I had to show this because i can't recommend this movie enough.
Plus i love this lithograph.
12-01-06 | 12:18 AM
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Indeed *points to username acronym* 
John Glen definitely has a workman style to his films. I think Moonraker (1979) was the last of the classic era of Bond, the two Bond directors of the 70s (Hamilton & Gilbert) both were part of the original 60s Bond directors. With 81's For Your Eyes Only, Glen with the 80s brought a different less stylistic tone. But i imagine that's all the producers wanted by then.
John Glen definitely has a workman style to his films. I think Moonraker (1979) was the last of the classic era of Bond, the two Bond directors of the 70s (Hamilton & Gilbert) both were part of the original 60s Bond directors. With 81's For Your Eyes Only, Glen with the 80s brought a different less stylistic tone. But i imagine that's all the producers wanted by then.
12-01-06 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by UAIOE
Well "License to Kill" was (i can admit) tolerable, but it had more "80's action movie" feel than a "James Bond movie" feel. Plus the theme song isn't one of the better themes.
Say that somebody tries to make a move on you
In the blink of an eye, I will be there too
And they better know why I'm gonna make them 'em pay
Till their dying day
Till their dying day
Till their dying day
Guess I'm way out of touch with the majority of Bond fans...Dalton was my favorite...loved "The Living Daylights"...disappointed by "Casino Royale"...
12-01-06 | 12:16 PM
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But i imagine that's all the producers wanted by then.
This is why they chose John "Iron Aces III" Glen over Steven "Jaws" Spielberg to direct "For Your Eyes Only". Spielberg wanted to do it but Cubby didn't give him the gig so he made "Raiders of the Lost Ark" out of frustration.
This is seemingly the same reason why they wouldn't let Quentin Tarantino direct "Casino Royale".
12-01-06 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
You guys are killing me..."Licence To Kill" is my favorite theme song of all the Bond flicks.
Say that somebody tries to make a move on you
In the blink of an eye, I will be there too
And they better know why I'm gonna make them 'em pay
Till their dying day
Till their dying day
Till their dying day
Say that somebody tries to make a move on you
In the blink of an eye, I will be there too
And they better know why I'm gonna make them 'em pay
Till their dying day
Till their dying day
Till their dying day
And you know I'm going straight for your heart
Got a licence to kill
Anyone who tries to tear us apart
Licence to kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill
I shouldn't like that song, but I do. And anyway, it certainly beats:
He has a powerful weapon
He charges a million a shot
An assassin who's second-to-none
The man with the golden guuuuuuuuuuunn
Now THAT'S the worst Bond song ever. Even the Madonna travesty was better than that.
