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Giles 10-03-06 12:54 PM

looking forward to re-seeing this on HBO-HiDef this month.

SuckaMC 10-03-06 02:00 PM

its funny how some of you refer to his "episodes". he was clearly stunned by explosions both times. Y'all make it seemed like he had mental problems. lol.

Hairballs58 10-03-06 02:15 PM

There is no "twist" in this movie. There is no transition from the old guy to Hank's character at the beginning. There's a clear break with shots of the Normandy Beach in between.

Draven 10-03-06 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Hairballs58
There is no "twist" in this movie. There is no transition from the old guy to Hank's character at the beginning. There's a clear break with shots of the Normandy Beach in between.


If memory serves, they fade from Ryan's eyes to Miller's eyes, framed up exactly the same way.

It's not a clear break.

devilshalo 10-03-06 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by SuckaMC
its funny how some of you refer to his "episodes". he was clearly stunned by explosions both times. Y'all make it seemed like he had mental problems. lol.

Then why was his hand shaking so often when there was no fighting going on?

Breakfast with Girls 10-03-06 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by devilshalo
Then why was his hand shaking so often when there was no fighting going on?

Because it's <i>war?</i>

devilshalo 10-03-06 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls
Because it's <i>war?</i>

Well, he's saying it's not a mental thing.. I'm saying it was a mental thing.

Draven 10-03-06 04:16 PM

He was obviously having issues - stress, mental breakdown, hearing loss, whatever.

War will do that to ya.

GoldenJCJ 10-03-06 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Draven
If memory serves, they fade from Ryan's eyes to Miller's eyes, framed up exactly the same way.

It's not a clear break.

I think the fade from Ryan's eye to the old man occurs at the end of the film only. At the beginning I think it fades from the old man's eyes to a shot of the beach just before the invasion....Of course that's from memory as well.

Draven 10-03-06 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
I think the fade from Ryan's eye to the old man occurs at the end of the film only. At the beginning I think it fades from the old man's eyes to a shot of the beach just before the invasion....Of course that's from memory as well.

Hmmm - maybe it's a straight cut at the beginning instead of a fade. Whatever it is, I'm certain it transition from old Ryan to young Miller in such a way that one would think it's the same person.

hardercore 10-03-06 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by Draven
Hmmm - maybe it's a straight cut at the beginning instead of a fade. Whatever it is, I'm certain it transition from old Ryan to young Miller in such a way that one would think it's the same person.

And you would certainly be correct. I've been griping all this time about it.

EddieN 10-03-06 05:44 PM

The two times he had those "episodes" were due to a shell or grenade exploding damned close to his head. Stunning and deafening him temporarily.

al_bundy 10-03-06 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by devilshalo
Then why was his hand shaking so often when there was no fighting going on?


Post traumatic stress syndrome

brkhrt7 10-03-06 07:45 PM

[QUOTE=GatorDeb]So I finally got to watch this movie (which was AWESOME... I really like Spielberg war movies, i.e. this and Schindler's List). QUOTE]
Band of Brothers should be a must-see if you haven't already watched it.

Hairballs58 10-03-06 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by hardercore
And you would certainly be correct. I've been griping all this time about it.

I would suggest you both re-watch this film...

Heat 10-03-06 10:57 PM

What are the names of the actress (or was there more than one?) playing Ryan's granddaughter(s) in the cemetary scenes?

TheGodfather 10-04-06 12:21 AM

The hand shaking and the "episodes" have nothing to do with each other. The "episodes" are whats referred to as "shell shock". When mortars go off right near you and your hearing goes for a few moments and things seem more surreal than usual. Almost like the after effects of a concussion if you've ever had one. The hand thing, although never explained, could have been any number of things. Early stage of parkinson's, traumatic stress disorder, etc.

Bareit 10-04-06 12:22 AM


Originally Posted by Hairballs58
I would suggest you both re-watch this film...

I'm watching it right now. It goes from the close up of old James Ryan's eyes to the barricades in the Channel just before storming Omaha Beach. Then it goes to the troop transport ships, Tom Hank's shaking hand, him drinking from his canteen, then to his face. It doesn't seem like it was tying to imply Tom Hanks is the old guy to me.

Apone 10-04-06 01:09 AM

I think you misinterpreted the transition of opening scene to the next. There was closing up of the old man's eyes which usually indicate flashback so when the next scene at the beach is shown, we are to believe that the young man is him. At this point whether he is character Miller or Ryan is anyone's guess but implication of character continuity is clear.

Giantrobo 10-04-06 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by EddieN
The two times he had those "episodes" were due to a shell or grenade exploding damned close to his head. Stunning and deafening him temporarily.

Right, there's a similar occurence during the first attack in <b>"Master and Commander"</b>. Captain Aubrey is stunned after an explosion and he sees everything in slow motion and his hearing is distorted. Then suddenly the daze and his hearing returns.

Draven 10-04-06 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Bareit
I'm watching it right now. It goes from the close up of old James Ryan's eyes to the barricades in the Channel just before storming Omaha Beach. Then it goes to the troop transport ships, Tom Hank's shaking hand, him drinking from his canteen, then to his face. It doesn't seem like it was tying to imply Tom Hanks is the old guy to me.

Ok, I remember the fade to the barricades now. Thanks for clarifying.

But it's the focus on Ryan's eyes that indicate we are going into his memories. I still think it was an intentional fake-out.

devilshalo 10-04-06 12:10 PM

Well, doesn't Damon and the older actor have blue eyes? While Hanks has brown eyes? I don't see where people thought it was supposed to be Miller in the beginning. Now if they showed the old man look at his hands and they start to shake... then maybe. But I don't think there was anything intentional.

McHawkson 10-04-06 12:24 PM

It's just that they are trying to get us thinking that Miller still alive at the end. When the old man dropped and crying after seeing the headstone, people will think Miller has failed his mission to get Ryan out alive.

Minor Threat 10-05-06 12:12 PM

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GatorDeb 10-05-06 02:34 PM

I love that sequence, but I love his expression right after it blows up even more so. I'm sure I had the same expression - "Whoa, I/he blew up a tank with a pistol!"

Hanks never fails to entertain.


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