And now I've watched Kelly's Heroes. Not nearly as tightly wound as Where Eagles Dare, but with a wonderfully developed sense of humor and a fantastic performance from Telly Savalas. That will easily go on my "better than Saving Private Ryan" list. Thanks for the recommendation, guys!

And in the year of its 40th anniversary, too. Congratulations! I remember going to see KELLY'S HEROES at the Bronx's premier movie palace, the Loew's Paradise, with a group of my friends, all of us high school age, in the summer of 1970. Great time!

Don't get me wrong, I love both Kelly's Heroes and Where Eagles Dare. I jumped on that two pack as a must-have. But it seems like you're trying to make it a point of belittling SPR by picking several other movies as superior.

The point is that SPR is a really bad war movie (and, in fact, a really bad movie period). But the posts about Where Eagles Dare and Kelly's Heroes in particular sprang from earlier in the thread where I made a list of better war movies and Kelly's Heroes wasn't on it, because I hadn't seen it.

Great you made your point about SPR about 100 times in this thread alone. We get it but to keep it on going like this is what JimRochester is getting at. Most of us think SPR is a great movie, a great war movie and most of the general public, critics, etc. You keep trying to make a point of how bad SPR is and it isn't going to change our minds.

People disagree with you, Supermallet, so stop sharing your opinion!

It doesn't sound like opinion. Didn't you read? It's a fact, SPR is a really bad movie period.

Not just people, but the person who has defended SPR when anyone dared to say something negative about it, and the person who's already said they have dismissed my opinion out of hand. I am shocked--shocked--that they would be the ones to raise objections to my post.

At least Ash, one of the two people who originally recommended Kelly's Heroes to me, responded.

Sometimes people want to dislike something simply because it is so generally liked by the masses. That usually doesn't make much sense.

Having said that, Super has said he thinks SPR is a bad movie and has given actual reasons, many of them being quite logical. Does these cons outway it's pros? That is where people either decide to let the faults slide and say it's good, or choose to bring these problems to the forefront.

I don't agree that it is a terrible film. It is, on the other hand, very overrated and the fact that many people that side with the film choose to ignore the obvious flaws tells me you need to seriously re-evaluate your viewpoint of cinema.

I'm not saying you can't like the film, but instead, realizing it's problems and understanding that others may think the bad outweighs the good, because there are certainly a number of issues with the film.

You pretty much did just that by calling it overrated. No one is ignoring flaws if we don't think there are any flaws. I don't know how you can say we are ignoring flaw if we don't think there are many or any at all.

I was perfectly happy to let the thread be, as I had nothing further to add. And I'm ashamed of myself for being drawn back in....but snark is my weakness.

No, I'm just not blind.

If you truly cannot comprehend that SPR does indeed suffer from certain issues and instead choose to believe that it is a near perfect film, then you and I are quite a ways off from each other in comprehension of film, and it would be pointless to discuss it further.

What I find comical is that I do like SPR and think it has an overall solid foundation but falls short by being heavy handed at times and somewhat two dimensional.
Instead of being honest with the film you decide to hold it upon a golden pedestal and refuse to acknowledge any weakness it may have. That mentality alone shows your not being honest with the film or have a shallow understanding of film in general.

Super made points as to why he finds it lacking. What about it makes you believe it is a masterpiece?

I love this. How the hell can you tell someone they aren't being honest about this film. If I think this film should be held up to a golden pedestal then that is me BEING HONEST about this film. Just because you think it's flawed doesn't mean everyone should fall in line with you. I sure as hell ain't. I don't mind you not liking SPR as much as the next person but the problem I am having with you is telling someone how they should feel about a film. Totally uncalled for.

Also, I don't really need to justify why I think SPR is a great movie(which I did a little bit of this if you see my posts earlier in this thread). I am not going to hammer someone over the head over and over again like Super did about why I love(or hate in his case) SPR. Does every person that thinks a movie is great or a masterpiece need to justify it to you. I don't see you doing this to anyone else on this board. I am not the only one who thinks SPR is a great film is you read through this thread. My first post was to respond to disagree with the comments Super made about SPR. That was a month ago and we are still here today and he sounds like a broken record with the same comments about SPR.

FYI, love/hate do not necessarily equate to great/bad. Intelligent film criticism implies that one understands the difference between the two. Saddly, the overwhelming majority of mainstream moviegoers don't.

As for SPR, nobody in WWII had teeth as white as Matt Damon. He would have been shot by a sniper the first time he smiled.

Everyone is allowed to share their opinion as long as it is exactly the same as mine

I have no problem with your dislike of the movie but I would heartily disagree that it is a "really bad movie". It certainly has it's flaws but to swoon over Kelly's Heroes as some great piece of art doesn't make sense to me. I love Kelly's Heroes as entertainment but the characters were a cliche' of the times.


Exactly. My point was it felt like you were looking for opportunities to pile on. Love for Kelly or Eagles could have just as easily been put in threads dedicated to those movies, not one comparing two other films.

Just call me kettle. You must be pot.

Can you please tell me where I said that Kelly's Heroes was great art? All I said is that it was better than SPR. The only way you can infer me calling KH great art is if you also believe SPR to be great art, and I most certainly don't.


Except there was already a small discussion going on about those films, and I almost always prefer to bump existing threads instead of starting new ones. Call me sentimental, I suppose.

We'll leave it with both points being made. I didn't say you called it great art, I said you were applauding it as though it were high art. It's a good entertaining movie.

I and others felt you were looking for further opportunities to bash SPR after the point had already been made several times throughout the thread. That's my point and I'll leave it alone.

Saving Private Ryan is one of my favorite movies. Where Eagles Dare and Kelly's Heroes are both great entertainment and were double dip upgrades for me. Thin Red Line I tried to watch it twice and fell asleep both times so I have yet to see it in it's entirety. Now that I've bored everyone with my opinions on the matter I'll stop and let those be my last words on the subject.

You make no sense. We'll wait another month so you can tell us how much you hate SPR. AGAIN.

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wow...nevermind about anything I said to you, I understand why SPR would be a masterpiece to you...(backing away slowly).

I wish you hadn't either because your argument for or against or whatever side you are on was weak and inconsistent at best.