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Originally Posted by ShaunoftheDead

I never said I was more qualified than anyone else. I simply said that I THINK many were jaded.

Qualified wasn't exactly the right word. But you are making assumptions about my feelings about the character of Superman. And those assumptions are wrong, so there must be something about the movie that I enjoy that isn't just nostalgia. And my point was just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

cgi in this movie was great and flawless.... the story just killed it

Superman and son...

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Originally Posted by brianluvdvd

Funny. That was one of the parts that touched me the most...but then again I have a young son I thought of while watching it.

I found that scene and the whole Superson angle truly mind-blowing. It's most likely going to be a significant relationship that will propel the sequel to unparalleled levels of success.

The only continuation I would want to see of that father/son relationship is Superman burying the horribly mutilated and disfigured body of that little bastard.

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Originally Posted by dadaluholla

The only continuation I would want to see of that father/son relationship is Superman burying the horribly mutilated and disfigured body of that little bastard.

amen to that..... it killed it for me and everything was ok except for that stupid part of the story....

Superman's Adventures in Babysitting... success indeed

I don't think they would ever go this rotue, but I think if they put 1-2 years between the two films and reference some alien (Darkside? [voiced by the same cartoon guy of course[) killed his son you would really be able to see the ripple effect it has on Lois, Superman and company.

Like I said, don't think it would ever happen, but would be interesting to see.

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Originally Posted by ShaunoftheDead

Forget about comparing it to the more superior BB, compare it to other genre movies: "Spider-Man" 1 or 2, "X-Men" 1 or 2, compare even still to just a well made movie with a competent script and actors better suited for their roles and SR pales.

The only movie I compare it to is Superman Returns. And for me, it was a great time at the theater -- so much so that I saw it twice, and I go to the theater about 3 times a year.

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Originally Posted by raven56706

amen to that..... it killed it for me and everything was ok except for that stupid part of the story....

Has anyone seen some of Singer's more recent comments...sounds like he's so obsessed with Superman's offspring that he wants to use him to create our "future Superman" - one who's half alien/half human, and therefore has more faults/vunerabilites. Sounds like Singer's so full of himself he thinks his movies are going to forever change the Superman canon so that all future versions/adaptations will include a son.

SUPERMAN RETURNS has been the weirdest experience for me...it's one of the few movies that I originally liked, but have become less and less a fan of as time goes on. Usually it's the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt

Singer is God. Superson will rule us all. :)

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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt

i hope that if it happens, the people bad mouthing the live action transformers movies bad mouths this idea

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Originally Posted by raven56706

i hope that if it happens, the people bad mouthing the live action transformers movies bad mouths this idea

It's not the same thing.

While I wouldn't be enthusiastic about it, adding the Superson changes the canon, but not the character. Superman is still Superman.

Those walking monstrosities in the Transformers movie are not the Transformers, no matter what anyone says.

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Originally Posted by devilshalo

Look at it this way, if he isn't affected by proximity to kyptonite in a lead box, why couldn't you suspend that maybe there was enough shielding from earthy landmass for him to haul off and chuck the island of Krypton into space?

I don't think he was shielded at all. But this was diluted kryptonite (he didn't even know he was standing the stuf at first).

Also, I think the whole point of the scene preceding that one was that he super-charged himself with sunlight. He was taking a BIG chance that he would be able to throw it into the sun before it overcame his power-up. In the end, he barely made it out of that one alive. A cool trial for a demi-god I thought.

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Originally Posted by Paul_SD

and yet how does any of that pertain to the dialogue itself?

I have a fundemental problem that the film simply trades on nostalgia in reciting lines from the earlier film, when the situation seems to me to demand that Kal-el express something wholly original as befits this utterly original and unique occasion in the history of the character.
Instead we get yet another nod to the original film, the latest in a seemingly unending parade of such nods.

and the implications of the actual ideas present in the monologue are that Kal-el doesn't intend to be there much if at all for the child growing up.

um....uh...yeah ok. That chokes me up too I guess- the idea that this superman is a sperm donor passively willing to let another family raise his biological son (wow...see the irony there *gag*).
aw shucks, gee whiz...what a wonderful sentiment. I'm repopulating the earth with my very own seed...and I won't have to stick around for the boring day to day tedium of actually raising the tike. yippee! I have relevance to 21st Century American culture after all!
now lets close out the film with me flying over the earth (implying that my domain and concerns are still grandiose and planet-sized and not merely of the boring domestic variety.)

I can just see a clueless Singer thinking to himself "oh this will be touching, I'll have superman recite the teary eyed speech that his father gave...that'll be real deep. And then for a triumphant finish we can redo the planet fly over exit...that'll make for a spectacular visual cue to exit on and bring everyone to their feet!"
I suppose some people will read into that that it shows Superman expressing joy over the idea of having a son, but for me it just about completely subverts the idea of him being changed or affected by this new complication in his life. I could easily see a more competant (or original) director fading to black with the image of Superman on the ground...maybe sitting down on the patio, or taking Lois's hand and walking thru the garden as they begin to talk about what the future may hold. The idea being, there is a valid visual metaphor in keeping Superman 'earthbound' after the soliloquy- not to mention that it makes sense that he and Lois would have some important things to discuss at this point- rather than the shallow 'I'll see ya around' flyby.

I wish the film had actually been as smart or mature as it pretended to be.

so the film is saying that superman needs his own genetically branded offspring to feel 'connected' to humanity?
wow.
What a load of shit this character is now.
So , like a fickle teenage girl, after finally bagging the girl he was supposedly in love with- he quickly loses all interest in and connection with her, and moves on to a new all-consuming infatuation (his ancestory).
And the appeal of seeing Superman behave like a fickle, shallow, spoiled teenage girl is ...what now?

I honestly get the feeling that Singer doesn't get these characters one bit, and, like monkey-see-monkey-do, can only imitate the mythic beats in the most shallow and facile ways (the music swelling, the epic pondering poses, the vast longshots) For the love of Pete, in the future keep this guy as far away from these characters as possible.

Whew...did someone get no love as a child?

This one's for you -----> :grouphug:

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Originally Posted by Numanoid

The only movie I compare it to is Superman Returns. And for me, it was a great time at the theater -- so much so that I saw it twice, and I go to the theater about 3 times a year.

how do you compare something to itself? that doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

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Originally Posted by ShaunoftheDead

how do you compare something to itself? that doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

The point is that I judge the film on its own merits, not how it compares to some completely different film like Batman Begins or The X-Men. THAT, to me, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Originally Posted by Numanoid

The only movie I compare it to is Superman Returns. And for me, it was a great time at the theater -- so much so that I saw it twice, and I go to the theater about 3 times a year.

:thumbsup:

Basically the same for me. Three of my five-or-so trips to a theater this year have been to see Superman Returns.

The fuss is laughable. I loved Hudson Hawk and hated Aliens. The townspeople should be out for my blood and I could care less.

I was there when Burton absolutely (for me) destroyed Batman, so I feel sympathy for all the Superman fans. And I know this a review and not discussion thread, but it seems a little like in fighting in this one. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood today.

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Originally Posted by uberjoe

:thumbsup:

Basically the same for me. Three of my five-or-so trips to a theater this year have been to see Superman Returns.

good taste :yack:

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Originally Posted by raven56706

good taste :yack:

What do you care if he saw it more than once? Did you have to pay for their ticket or something? We get it, you didn't like the movie, but I don't think you need to get personal on those of us who did.

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Originally Posted by raven56706

good taste :yack:

Thanks, but I'll take my lessons in "good taste" from people who don't post barfing smilies as comments.

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Originally Posted by raven56706

good taste :yack:

Go ahead and post every movie you saw this year. And be honest, I know I saw you at "Little Man."

Yeah, seriously. Posting that vomiting head in regards to Superman Returns is a bit of an insult to the vomiting head.
;)

rotfl... guys i was playing relax... sorry if i upset you guys on Superman.... geez....

My word. Just watched it and absolutely loved it. Not only the best Superman film of the bunch, but also the best superhero film I've ever seen. The tone and the style were just about as perfect as I could have hoped for, as was the balance between action and dialogue, character development, etc. They got the proportion of humour just about right for me too. Not too much that it became a farce, yet not too little that there was no relief. I read that the sequel will have more action and more fun, plus a smaller budget, to address the main criticisms of Superman Returns, which worries me a bit. I loved how they kept John Williams' original score. Gave me goosebumps at the start of the film. :up:

Spoiler:

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The 5.1 is incredible on the disc, especially as it's only 384 Kbps (I guess because of the length of the film as I did spot a small number of video artefacts here and there, most prominently in the sky as Superman reminisces about running and flying through the fields).

Nice Dorling Kindersley Superman Ultimate Guide book that comes with the Region 3 too :)

A couple of buddies and I saw this film (my third time to see it, their second) at our local IMAX last night. Our IMAX has the dome theater vs. the flat screen so it wasn't in 3-D but let me tell you...it was incredible. All three of us felt that the movie was so much better on the IMAX screen than in the theater. They came out liking the movie more than they did originally and I have always loved the film.

It seemed like it was tailor-made for IMAX. It blew away the 2 previous features shown there: Poseidon and Batman Begins.

If you have a chance to see it on IMAX, I highly recommend it!

It also made me feel that Spielberg's War Of The Worlds should be shown on IMAX. It's another film that seems perfect for the medium.