Question about Brokeback Mountain
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Ok, I don't really know how to ask this but are there any intimate scenes of Jake and Heath together? I'm not asking this for myself as I want to see the movie regardless. However, I may need to convince my homophobic friends. I'm trying hard not to offend but I don't know any other way to ask this.
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Your ignorant homophobic friend will not like it. plain and simple. There is a lot of scenes of the two kissing, one scene were Jake's pants get pulled down and the grunts begin. A lot of cuddling shots.
If someone is homophobic they will really not be able to look past the basic idea of the love between these two characters to see what a great story it is.
If someone is homophobic they will really not be able to look past the basic idea of the love between these two characters to see what a great story it is.
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Ok, I don't really know how to ask this but are there any intimate scenes of Jake and Heath together? I'm not asking this for myself as I want to see the movie regardless. However, I may need to convince my homophobic friends.

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Originally Posted by brianluvdvd
Just because someone doesn't want to watch two guys making out/having sex makes them ignorant and/or homophobic??? 

Sure .... in the same way that if I didn't want to watch a man and a woman making out, you could call me heterophobic.

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Originally Posted by brianluvdvd
Just because someone doesn't want to watch two guys making out/having sex makes them ignorant and/or homophobic??? 

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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Ok, I don't really know how to ask this but are there any intimate scenes of Jake and Heath together? I'm not asking this for myself as I want to see the movie regardless. However, I may need to convince my homophobic friends. I'm trying hard not to offend but I don't know any other way to ask this.
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Originally Posted by BuddyRevell
So is the mountain Heath's ass? And does Jake break Heath's back? Or is it the other way around?
Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
There is a lot of scenes of the two kissing, one scene were Jake's pants get pulled down and the grunts begin. A lot of cuddling shots.
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Originally Posted by brianluvdvd
Just because someone doesn't want to watch two guys making out/having sex makes them ignorant and/or homophobic??? 

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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
Ok, I don't really know how to ask this but are there any intimate scenes of Jake and Heath together? I'm not asking this for myself as I want to see the movie regardless. However, I may need to convince my homophobic friends. I'm trying hard not to offend but I don't know any other way to ask this.
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No piece - internet webboard thread or not - on "Brokeback Mountain" would be complete without a plug from Heath Ledger's publicist highlighting the fact that he met his current hetero-love on the set of that movie and has or is in the process of fathering a child with said love interest.
Gotta underline the hetero-ness of Heath in this thread or the symmetry with his recent grocery store checkout magazine rack puff pieces will be busted all to hell.
Gotta underline the hetero-ness of Heath in this thread or the symmetry with his recent grocery store checkout magazine rack puff pieces will be busted all to hell.
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Sounds like someone needs The Straight Dude's Guide to Brokeback Mountain...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10342237/
But seriously, there's no way of knowing if Ang Lee's approach to the love scenes will be too much for your straight friends or not. There's nothing very explicit, and the scenes are brief, but yes actual gay sex (gasp!) is implied.
And yes, anyone who avoids this movie--with a reputation for being one of the year's best--strictly because they "don't want to watch two guys making out" *is* by definition homophobic. Do you avoid any movie in which non-sexy people are in love? Elderly people? Fat people?
Narrow straight guys need to ask themselves 1) why their *ICK* factor is so much ridiculously higher for "two guys" than it is for anyone else they might not be personally attracted to... and 2) why they think that should control what movies are worth viewing? I mean, if film is *nothing* but eye-candy to you, then you should stick to the porn...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10342237/
But seriously, there's no way of knowing if Ang Lee's approach to the love scenes will be too much for your straight friends or not. There's nothing very explicit, and the scenes are brief, but yes actual gay sex (gasp!) is implied.
And yes, anyone who avoids this movie--with a reputation for being one of the year's best--strictly because they "don't want to watch two guys making out" *is* by definition homophobic. Do you avoid any movie in which non-sexy people are in love? Elderly people? Fat people?
Narrow straight guys need to ask themselves 1) why their *ICK* factor is so much ridiculously higher for "two guys" than it is for anyone else they might not be personally attracted to... and 2) why they think that should control what movies are worth viewing? I mean, if film is *nothing* but eye-candy to you, then you should stick to the porn...
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Originally Posted by adamblast
Sounds like someone needs The Straight Dude's Guide to Brokeback Mountain...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10342237/
But seriously, there's no way of knowing if Ang Lee's approach to the love scenes will be too much for your straight friends or not. There's nothing very explicit, and the scenes are brief, but yes actual gay sex (gasp!) is implied.
And yes, anyone who avoids this movie--with a reputation for being one of the year's best--strictly because they "don't want to watch two guys making out" *is* by definition homophobic. Do you avoid any movie in which non-sexy people are in love? Elderly people? Fat people?
Narrow straight guys need to ask themselves 1) why their *ICK* factor is so much ridiculously higher for "two guys" than it is for anyone else they might not be personally attracted to...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10342237/
But seriously, there's no way of knowing if Ang Lee's approach to the love scenes will be too much for your straight friends or not. There's nothing very explicit, and the scenes are brief, but yes actual gay sex (gasp!) is implied.
And yes, anyone who avoids this movie--with a reputation for being one of the year's best--strictly because they "don't want to watch two guys making out" *is* by definition homophobic. Do you avoid any movie in which non-sexy people are in love? Elderly people? Fat people?
Narrow straight guys need to ask themselves 1) why their *ICK* factor is so much ridiculously higher for "two guys" than it is for anyone else they might not be personally attracted to...
Are "those guys" affraid that something might Move "down there" when they see it? Are they affraid it will change them?
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Originally Posted by grunter
No piece - internet webboard thread or not - on "Brokeback Mountain" would be complete without a plug from Heath Ledger's publicist highlighting the fact that he met his current hetero-love on the set of that movie and has or is in the process of fathering a child with said love interest.
Gotta underline the hetero-ness of Heath in this thread or the symmetry with his recent grocery store checkout magazine rack puff pieces will be busted all to hell.
Gotta underline the hetero-ness of Heath in this thread or the symmetry with his recent grocery store checkout magazine rack puff pieces will be busted all to hell.
He's seemed pissed and annoyed and that he didn't really care what anyone thought about him. Seemed genuine to me, give the context of the rest of the interview.
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Originally Posted by TracerBullet
I don't have any interest in watching straight porn, but I can handle watching Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

It's been awhile since I've seen ESOTSM, but I'm not seeing the connection...
I just gotta laugh at the responses here.... My God if you don't stand up and shout hallelujah in approval of what these characters are doing in a fictional story, than your nothing but an ignorant homophobe! Gotta love extremes.
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Originally Posted by adamblast
Sounds like someone needs The Straight Dude's Guide to Brokeback Mountain...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10342237/
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10342237/

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You know what, take your friend to the movie, you might be underestimating him. and if not, maybe he will learn something about himself. What's the worst that could happen? (I guess he could take it as your way of telling him that you have a crush on him
Honestly though, give your friend a chance...

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Originally Posted by Artman

It's been awhile since I've seen ESOTSM, but I'm not seeing the connection...
I just gotta laugh at the responses here.... My God if you don't stand up and shout hallelujah in approval of what these characters are doing in a fictional story, than your nothing but an ignorant homophobe! Gotta love extremes.
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The problem with the word "homophobia" is that it doesn't allow for anything but full acceptance of homosexuality. According to Merriam Webster, even "aversion to" homosexuality is homophobic. So if you are one of those people who believes homosexuality is a sin and that it is correct to avoid talking to, associating with or even observing homosexuals or simulated homosexuality, then by definition you are a homophobe. You don't have to assault a homosexual, or join a hate group to be a homophobe. Just vocalize dislike for the lifestyle and you are in the homophobe club.
With that being said, I think the word "homophobe" is right up there with "racism" as one the most overused words in the english language. People resort to using it as an insult usually coupled with the word "ignorant" (keep in mind there are some very intelligent homophobes out there), and that is annoying.
And for the record, my wife and I don't mind the hot, sticky man-love. Though she does have a problem when I take too much of an interest in soft, gentle woman-on-woman action.
With that being said, I think the word "homophobe" is right up there with "racism" as one the most overused words in the english language. People resort to using it as an insult usually coupled with the word "ignorant" (keep in mind there are some very intelligent homophobes out there), and that is annoying.
And for the record, my wife and I don't mind the hot, sticky man-love. Though she does have a problem when I take too much of an interest in soft, gentle woman-on-woman action.
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What about someone who is not afraid of talking to or associating with homosexuals but doesn't endorse their lifestyle? There is no phobia there, just dissaproval.
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Originally Posted by mactheknife
The problem with the word "homophobia" is that it doesn't allow for anything but full acceptance of homosexuality. According to Merriam Webster, even "aversion to" homosexuality is homophobic. So if you are one of those people who believes homosexuality is a sin and that it is correct to avoid talking to, associating with or even observing homosexuals or simulated homosexuality, then by definition you are a homophobe. You don't have to assault a homosexual, or join a hate group to be a homophobe. Just vocalize dislike for the lifestyle and you are in the homophobe club.
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
I think what he is trying to say, and is mentioned in that Straight Guys guide to B.M. is that we sit through tons of Hetero romances and sex in movies year and year and that's fine so why can't a straight person go and see a movie with two men and not make such a big deal of it??