Now don't make me take sides, I happen to think Brokeback is practically perfect in every way. It's like Mary Poppins made it or something.

I wasn't the one that compared it. Go after Riley because he was the one that brought it up.

I completely agree with you.

Then I sincerely envy you. I haven't been that enchanted with movies in a very long time. I long to return to it.

It should have stayed a short story. They turned it into a boring movie.

Nope, its just my opinion. I have a right to it. Of course, since I have these opinions, I must be a huge homophobe! :rolleyes:

Exactly. And you must love every movie starring black people, or you're a complete racist.

Actually, I can think of dozens of reasons one might not enjoy Brokeback Mountain without being a homophobe. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. That said, yeah, I think most of the haters of this movie hate it because it's gay, certainly more than the number of people who only like it for that reason.

I'm not gonna ask the first part! ;) It's an industry event for Ang, so I'm gonna try to be nice. And I don't get the "it was all in Ennis' mind" part either. Where? I don't recall anything like that at all (but then, it's Roger Ebert after all, and he's a constant hallucinator).

LATTER DAYS is SHITE compared to Brokeback. Seriously, they're not even in the same league. LATTER DAY'S acting was laughably bad, as was the "gay-to-straight torture scene". My god.

Like I said, compare BROKEBACK to something its own league, like LOGGERHEADS, which IMO is better than Ang's much-ballyhooed film.

Again, "apples and beagles".

OK, I'm out. I can't be party to the "Brokeback" thread being closed because the gays got out of hand! Wouldn't THAT be special! :lol:

Im not saying its true, but it did cross my mind also.

Ignorance of history, lack of insight into the "human condition", and absence of the ability to use critical thinking will render a viewer of Brokeback Mountain bored and incapable of appreciating why this film is universally acclaimed as a masterpiece.

Thats ridiculous. Art is subjective.

I didnt like the film and none of what you said applies to me.

Also, I dont remember this film being UNIVERSALLY acclaimed as a masterpiece. :rolleyes:

All art is not subjective! Have you ever taken an art appreciation course or any humanities coursework for that matter? There are standards by which all creative art is judged, however I am not going to play the role of university instructor. You need to realize that, judging by your responses, you are not qualified to pan this film. If you don't like it, it's a sad loss, but it is your loss.

Qualified?? Bullsh|t....EVERY viewer has the right to criticize this film. You do not need a membership card into the art club.

Also, if you didnt know, this is a friggin internet message board. :rolleyes:

BTW - not that it really matter, but I did take an art appreciation course and art of film in college.

Perhaps you are too young to relate to the brutal oppression under which the characters lived. 2006 is 100 years from 1963 with regard to society and homosexuality. Also, from what I've read on the official website, some people are embracing the story because of their own lost, denied or deferred love.

You have a right to your opinion, uninformed as it may be. You are obviously not a Pulitzer Prize winning film critic and I doubt the truthfulness of your art appreciation coursework claim.

You can doubt all you want. I took them as electives in earning my bachelors in business.

Am I a film critic? Yes (everyone is). Am I a professional film critic? of course not. BUT, again, look at your screen. We are in an internet chatboard. As digi says, pull the stick out. :rolleyes:

Well, if true, you are only guilty of the crime of obtaining a piece of paper and promptly forgetting most of what you were supposed to learn! Don't feel bad, this is true of most Americans. I guess you are a film critic in the same way Paulie Shore is an actor. Don't confuse legitimate film criticism with armchair observations made by the unwashed.

Your latter sentence is important. People who empathize strongly with the film see in it an echo of their own missed opportunities. As Dave Cullen says, it's not the tire iron that is the tragedy, it's what people do to avoid the tire iron. Rural gays still live in isolation and fear, much of it justified. (Not that urban gays aren't just as warped, huddled together as upscale refugees, trying to pretend they've already got the equality they deserve.)

This is a character drama. The main character is dirt poor and uneducated, and the authors have refused to whitewash the sexism and violence inherant in what it meant to be a Man back then.

You dont know me well enough to make that claim. On that note, from my reading your posts, I would claim that you are a snob without friends. That is just as "informed" as your armchair observation of me.

I never claimed to be a professional film critic. But, as stated before, ANYONE has the right to express their opinions. Especially, on an internet message board. Like it or not, my opinion carries just as much weight as yours.

Everyone has a different opinion on what makes a good film or movie. Nothing you can say or do makes your criteria right. Remember, 99.9 percent of the people who have seen this film are not professional film critics.

If you think all opinions have equal value, I'd suggest you quit seeing your doctor--asking your best friend for medical advice will be cheaper.

All opinions don't have equal weight, here or anywhere else. And if all opinion is subjective, it's also true that when opinions are gathered together they become a "body of opinion" which has some force, even approaching fact.

Sure, they're all opinions, but I have no problem saying that something which gets a 10% on the Tomato-meter is less likely to be brilliant than something which gets a 90%.

When someone tells me Shakespeare is stupid, I don't think "Everyone has their right to an opinion," I think, "No, you're probably the dummy here, not everyone who has ever respected Shakespeare."

I've read the short story and watched the film. It has left me with so many things: a renewed appreciation for my partner of 19 yrs., a renewed sense of the intolerable cruelty in the world, a realization that, while I feel liberated and fulfilled as an "out" gay man, many people are still struggling with identity and are living shattered lives, and a disturbing knowledge that man is capable of the most horrendous acts, even against himself. There is so much more Brokeback offers, but suffice it to say that weeks after reading/viewing the story I still feel a knot in my stomach.

Most medical issues are not subjective. And, oviously more is at stake in that regard.

I understand your points, but if opinion wasn't subjective, then every critic's top 10 films list would be the exact same. But, thats not the case. I am sure that there are respected critics that don't even have Brokeback on their top 10 list.

I respect your position and opinions about the film. Its your right. I just didnt have the same experience while watching it.

Just FYI for fans, Oprah taped a show about Brokeback Mountain yesterday (Thursday 1/19), it's not on the schedule yet, but includes Heath, Michelle, and Jake in the studio.

Well, thank you. I still find your Brokeback experience puzzling. How on Earth could you miss the various themes? Your life experience must be fortunate in the extreme. If so, I'm sincerely happy for you. Perhaps you should watch the film again when it hits DVD. Sometimes people are only open to films in the privacy of their homes.