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Old 12-12-05, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by NatrlBornThrllr
I'd agree with that. I think he botched his delivery of the film's final line.

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Some might argue that's enough to kill the film's impact. I love Jack Black, but I can definitely see his "ham and cheese" style having a negative impact on a line that's supposed to be classic.
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I just got back from a screening, and it was very good, but not my cup of tea. Skull Island was a bit long, but lots of great action and human element.

Oh yeah, we saw Adam Sandler and his wife in the lobby on the way out. That was kinda cool.

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Here are two excerpts from Ebert's review that crystallize my feelings and thoughts on Peter Jackson's movie making abilities:

"King Kong" is a magnificent entertainment. It is like the flowering of all the possibilities in the original classic film. Computers are used not merely to create special effects, but also to create style and beauty, to find a look for the film that fits its story. And the characters are not cardboard heroes or villains seen in stark outline, but quirky individuals with personalities.

The result is a surprisingly involving and rather beautiful movie -- one that will appeal strongly to the primary action audience, and also cross over to people who have no plans to see "King Kong" but will change their minds the more they hear. I think the film even has a message, and it isn't that beauty killed the beast. It's that we feel threatened by beauty, especially when it overwhelms us, and we pay a terrible price when we try to deny its essential nature and turn it into a product, or a target. This is one of the year's best films.

Another big fat slice of cake early Christmas present from Peter Jackson! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!
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Ebert and Roeper audio is up online: http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/eber...per/today.html

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Originally Posted by raven56706
Does anyone think this movie might have potential for a Best Picture nod?
Let's see:

Munich
Brokeback Mountain
Kingdom of Heaven
Cinderella Man
Memoirs of a Geisha

Nope.
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I haven't seen it yet, I will this weekend, but I do think Kong has great potential of receiving a best picture Oscar nod. The critical acclaim has been nothing short of magnificent.
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Originally Posted by Jason
Let's see:

Munich
Brokeback Mountain
Kingdom of Heaven
Cinderella Man
Memoirs of a Geisha

Nope.
You do realize that Kingdom of Heaven and Memoirs of a Geisha were two of the most critically lambasted big-budget movies of the year, right?
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The first 40 or so minutes made me want to shoot myself (and I'm usually a Jackson fan), but the rest of the movie redeemed itself. Kong really was a great character, much better than the other, 2-dimensional, actual people in the cast.
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I just got back and the first 40 minutes were just as entertaining to me. It was a really good movie. It's definitely an experience.. I saw it for free with my movie cash (thanks Jurassic Park Adventure Pack)but even if I did pay the $7, it's just.. feels worth a lot more than that.

Some good trailers too.. M:I-3, Davinci Code, Poseidon Adventure, Miami Vice, and I forgot the name of the movie but it stars Clive Owen, Denzel Washington & Jodie Foster..

GO SEE IT. It's the most entertained I've ever been by a 3-hour movie, easily.

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I'd say the first 45 minutes or so were good, but fairly slow. The last two hours were utterly amazing.
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Originally Posted by sugardaddy
I forgot the name of the movie but it stars Clive Owen, Denzel Washington & Jodie Foster..
"Inside Man" directed by Spike Lee. I'm very interested in that film.
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Originally Posted by Jason
Let's see:

Munich
Brokeback Mountain
Kingdom of Heaven
Cinderella Man
Memoirs of a Geisha

Nope.
Very few posts actually manage to make me laugh out loud. This one did.

Also, for everybody reading...I waited to post this since the movie wasn't out yet. Now that some people have seen midnight showings, and countless others will see it tomorrow, I'll go ahead and post it. This is, by far, the best review of the movie I've seen yet. If it doesn't make you laugh, I don't know what will. Note, spoilers ahoy:

What's up fellas -

I heard some shit about your butts were numb or something like that. Sorry to hear about that I hope you get well soon.

Anyway here's the deal. I saw KING KONG. Not sure if you know about this one but it is a remake of an older picture from '33 or so. This version is by Pete Jackson who won an Oscar, etc. You LORD OF THE RINGS fans will know who I'm talking about. If not there is always the internet. I'm not sure if they have IMDB translated into elfish, but I'm sure you can find the information somewhere or other.

Basically the plot involves a 25 foot tall gorilla, a blonde gal and a prominent New York landmark. (not the statue of liberty.) By the end of the movie the fates of these three may or may not turn out to be intertwined. I don't want to give too much away.

Okay I'll be more specific. The movie is basically divided into two movements. First movement is the movie crew heading to this place Skull Island (don't go there) where they meet the gorilla, who we will call Kong. Also there are dinosaurs, giant worms, giant bats, angry natives, skeletons (dead), things you can fall off of, and that sort of shit. Second movement, the action repeats itself in New York. (there are not giant worms and shit in New York though. sorry.)

I must admit that this is not a 100% perfect movie descended from Heaven in the form of pure celluloid energy never touched by man. The main flaw is that it takes its sweet time getting to the island and our boy Kong. Now don't get me wrong. I don't mind that this is a 3 hour movie. I'm thankful for the 3 hours. It would take a no good rat soup eating motherfucker to complain about a movie this good being 3 hours long. Oh boo hoo, they spent extra time and money trying to entertain you. They sacrificed box office by limiting the amount of showings per day, what bastards! I'm sorry if you have to piss real bad and it causes bladder hemhoraging or something horrible like that, but otherwise you shouldn't complain. I mean Harry and his friends over there just watched this and ten or so other movies IN A ROW. Admittedly, those people are clearly insane, but their journey is only one of the many indiciations that it is technically possible to take 3 hours out of your busy schedule of whining to watch a great movie.

THAT SAID, they coulda got to the island faster. Maybe a little less of the Ann Darrow embarasses herself routines. I would be willing to trade some of the human setup for some bonus Kong. But anyway they set up these human characters and they boat around for a while but when they finally get to the point where Ann Darrow is kidnapped by savages of indistinct race and offered to Kong... HOLY SHIT, this movie takes off like a bunch of actors running from a bunch of dinosaurs.

I liked LORD OF THE RINGS as much as the next guy, assuming the next guy does not speak elfish or carry a sword. But I gotta admit, I was not prepared for how amazing the character of Kong is. I didn't expect it. I seen ape movies before and I didn't realize you could have this big a leap ahead of, say, remake Mighty Joe Young or whichever was the last ape movie. This movie is a god damn miracle. It's not just because they made a great computer program but because they gave this guy personality. Like Gollum, you don't think of him as a special effect at all, you think of him as a character. In fact, you think of him as a dude you know. And although it's fun to see your buddy tear a t-rex's head apart or get mad and wipe out the balcony of a theater with one quick arm swipe, he's not just a raging monster. He does ape things. He lays around and scratches himself. He makes jokes to amuse himself. After he kills the t-rex, he plays with it a little. I don't think they ever show him taking a shit or masturbating but otherwise it is very realistic.

Kong is played by Andy Serkis (THE ESCAPIST) who also plays the part of "Lumpy." Who do you think you are dude, Eddie Murphy? Let's keep it to one role in the future. Anyway, Serkis is basically wearing the greatest ape costume of all time. Don't worry, I understand that it's computers and what not. But you figure he is controlling the ape by his movements, he is basically wearing a costume made out of pixels. I'm sure there's some animation in there too, I don't know, but whatever they do they end up with very realistic movements, very strong personality, very convincing giant ape the likes of which you've never seen.

By the way, this is how you know Kong is a bad motherfucker. He lives on an island populated by all kinds of dinosaurs, giant bugs, bats, and who knows what other crazy shit that we didn't even see. They found a six foot wide poisonous jellyfish off the coast of Japan recently, who knows what they could have on the undercharted territory of Skull Island. (Some would call it uncharted but since Jack Black had a map to it I think technically it is undercharted.) What I'm getting at is, when a beautiful blond gal washes up on shore, who do the natives try to sacrifice her to? No, not the t-rex. Not the giant bats. They give this chick to Kong. And beautiful blond chicks are not easy to come by in this part of the world. When they snag one they're not gonna waste it. So they give it to the official baddest motherfucker on Skull Island, which would be Kong, thank you very much.

Also you know he's a bad motherfucker because of a particular move he does in a fight that could very well top Tyler Durden's "spitting blood in face" move from FIGHT CLUB for Outstanding Achievement in Fighting Dirty. I won't give it away but you'll see it.

So anyway, with a bad motherfucker like that in the starring role, this ends up being a real thrill ride. There's a certain type of "big event movie thrill ride" that I hate, I don't really know if there is a name for them so let's just call them "Stephen Sommers movies." These are movies that have no rhythm and just toss BIG LOUD ACTION SCENE after BIG LOUD ACTION SCENE in your face and it's so monotonously loud and big that it's just boring, it doesn't involve me. I don't know why but KING KONG doesn't feel that way at all, even though there are long ass sections of the movie that are as non-stop and relentless as a Texas chain saw massacre. It doesn't let up. Basically the section from the first appearance of Kong to when they're ready to take him off the island (spoiler) is one of the most exciting and amazing extended action scenes I've seen in a long god damn time, full of tension and clever dilemmas. I mean if it isn't one thing (crushed by dinos rolling down a hill) it's another (head swallowed by giant prehistoric tube worm). And then when you get to New York you're so emotionally involved in the big guy that it's even better than the earlier part.

Of course, there is some amount of suspension of the ol' disbelief involved. First of all, you gotta accept that when people get chased by various giant prehistoric monsters, they are gonna be able to get away most of the time, or at least make a good run for it with the lizardy fuckers snapping at their ass and not quite connecting. The Jason Voorhees principle. You also gotta accept that when people run under the feet of stampeding dinosaurs, only a bunch of them will get crushed. Not all of them. And you have to accept that cute little Naomi Watts can get tossed around like a hacky sack for days on end without losing consciousness or transforming herself into the purplest Naomi Watts-shaped walking bruise you've ever seen in your life. Also there may be one or two other very very minor violations of accepted scientific fact. I'm sure the experts on giant prehistoric insects will chime in in the talkbacks.

So you got all kinds of harrowing adventure and what not, but the real kicker on this movie is obviously the tragedy of the whole thing. I mean, clearly Ann Darrow has a bad day. First her theater gets shut down and she can't afford food. Then she gets kidnapped by savages and manhandled by a giant gorilla and hangs off the teeth of a falling dinosaur (long story) and all this. But you gotta feel even more for Kong. Because what's he supposed to do? There's no winning for Kong. Yeah, so he loves a woman obtained under illicit circumstances. So what. I'm sure worse shit happens on Skull Island every day. Considering where he grew up, he's a nice guy. And you'd probaly like Naomi Watts too if somebody gave her to you. So for the crime of love and/or gigantism he gets drugged up and taken to New York in chains and put on display. Nobody can blame him for escaping. I'm sure even the guy whose head he bit off in that one awesome part (spoiler) would understand.

So now here he is living in New York just trying to spend some time alone with his girl. This time it's consensual so get over it, people. Get off his balls. Unfortunately, some people - like the United States Army to name one example - just can't leave shit alone. They gotta shoot a dude just for being a giant ape. I mean come on people, we need to learn to work shit out without resorting to tommy guns and biplanes all the time. I'm sure if you told him he had to swim back to Skull Island he would give it a shot. Even though it would be bullshit.

What I'm saying is, this poor bastard is doomed. No way anybody's gonna let him get back to Skull Island. No way anybody's gonna let him just hang out on tall things and chill like he did at home. And trying to put giant clothes on and pass for human is probaly out of the question too although in my opinion that option is not adequately explored in the movie.

And THANK GOD Kong does not know that the dashing and charismatic Oscar winner Adrien Brody is waiting in the wings to come sweep up Ann Darrow as soon as Kong bites it. That shit would've KILLED Kong. If the biplanes didn't. Which they did. (Spoiler.)

Anyway, this doomed relationship is very sweet and beautiful. A good giant ape romance. Obviously it's not gonna work out real well physically and I don't think Ann Darrow really digs him that way. Maybe it's not a boyfriend girlfriend deal per se. I'm not sure which one is which one's pet dog but whatever the deal is you can see why they dig each other. And they do a good job of portraying the whole romance with almost no dialogue at all. Alot of filmatists I think would be tempted to make Ann Darrow talk to Kong non-stop to explain her thoughts to the audience. "Oh no, put me down you big hairball!" and that sort of shit. Peter Jackson though obviously did his research because he knows that apes actually don't speak English. So she doesn't waste her time saying things to him that he's not gonna comprende. The fact that it's mostly non-verbal makes it all the more sweet and tragic.

I didn't cry though, come on. Who do you take me for? But it's a sweet movie.

Ah hell, I'm doin it. I'm goin all caps on this one. THIS IS A GREAT FUCKIN MOVIE. I'm not the world's all time #1 greatest fan of hyperbole, but I think it's safe to say this one is a classic, masterpiece, etc. It's one of those movies that reminds you why you love movies, reminds you that it's still possible to be amazed. This movie proves the old adage that "If Peter Jackson wants to do something, just let him fucking do it you shitheads." Especially if that something is a $200 million 3-hour NC-17 sequel to BAD TASTE and that's why he lost the weight, to reprise his role as Derek.

Seriously Harry, check out this movie, I think you would probaly dig it. Maybe you are not into giant ape movies or Peter Jackson movies as a rule but give it a shot, watch it with an open mind. Also Harry could you burn me a copy of Masters of Horror, I don't want to pay for Showtime. Don't tell Moriarty. Nah forget I said anything I'll deal with this later. Anyway KING KONG motherfucker. KING KONG. That's all I got to say.

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I did a quick search through this thread and didn't see any mention of this, so I thought I'd ask about it.

In the 1933 Kong, a quote starts off the movie: And lo the beast looked upon the face of beauty and stayed it's hand from killing, and from that day it was as one dead.

In the trailer for the new movie (which I haven't seen yet, by the way), I was surprised to hear that the quote is different. At least, this is what I heard: And lo the beast looked upon the face of beauty and beauty stayed it's hand, and from that day it was as one dead.

To me, the meaning is changed. In the first, it's saying that Kong stops fighting a bit and thus is a dead ape. In the new trailer tho, Ann is seen sort of calming him.

Clearly, from the trailer at least, Ann has a differnet role anyway, she understands and has more of a relationship with Kong than in the 1933 version. I just thought it was odd that they changed the quote.

Anyone else have any insight into the changing quote?
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I don't remember seeing any quote starting the movie.
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Leaving work early today to catch a 4:30 showing. Can't wait.
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Originally Posted by NatrlBornThrllr
Very few posts actually manage to make me laugh out loud. This one did.

Also, for everybody reading...I waited to post this since the movie wasn't out yet. Now that some people have seen midnight showings, and countless others will see it tomorrow, I'll go ahead and post it. This is, by far, the best review of the movie I've seen yet. If it doesn't make you laugh, I don't know what will. Note, spoilers ahoy:

Link: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22016

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Amusing enough I suppose, but it sounds like Vern has watched waaay too much Pulp Fiction and now thinks he's Jules Winnfield...
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Just saw it - 3 hours long and I still don't know how they managed to get that big monkey onto their boat. Couldn't thay have spared a couple of minutes for that!
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Originally Posted by MBoyd
Just saw it - 3 hours long and I still don't know how they managed to get that big monkey onto their boat. Couldn't thay have spared a couple of minutes for that!
As Peter Jackson put it "It's one of the most famous edits ever done on film."

It's a trademark moment from the original, so no, they couldn't have spared a couple minutes for that.
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This was a very grand movie. It wasn't grippingly fantastic, but I think it exceeded my expectations and pays homage to the 33 original handsomely.

Certainly, it is an incredibly made film and only a few scenes showed of absolute falseness. Like...
Spoiler:
the stampede of brontosauri. i mean mere mortals running and somehow dodging those gigantic legs seemed very implausible. there was just no way that could happen in real life and there was this one particular scene where Jack was rescuing someone (can't remember if it was Jimmy or Carl), but they were just there amidst the brontosauri and it looked really phony, like they were standing in front of an actual movie screen with the brontos on that screen.
almost like a bad scene from "Land of the Lost".

other than that i think Kong looked fantastic and to know that he was played by a real life person (Andy Serkis) with CGI as a costume was amazing.

the story moved quickly and didn't labor the 3 hours. they maybe could have cut out a few minutes here and there of the lovefest between Naomi and Kong, but the rest moved swiftly. some complained of the fact we don't see Kong until 1:15 into the movie, but the anticipation leading to it is perfectly justified and i wouldn't have cut anything prior to the first encounter.

and to those that think Jack Black flubbed the last line i have to disagree. hearing that going in i was expecting the worst. but, he delivered it just fine. in fact, his entire performance was very good and i couldn't imagine another in that role. at first i thought the casting of he and Adrien Brody were odd, but they both fit perfectly into those roles and came out with very good performances. Jack as Carl never waivers and is always smarmy and seedy. Adrien as Jack is nerdy until he takes on the hero/love interest role and egresses nicely.

overall, this was definitely an achievement to modern cinema in every way...technically and emotionally. peter jackson is an amazing story-teller and creates canvasses that are not only eye popping treats, but heartwarmingly emotional on every human level.

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Originally Posted by RichC2
As Peter Jackson put it "It's one of the most famous edits ever done on film."

It's a trademark moment from the original, so no, they couldn't have spared a couple minutes for that.
Wow, I don't know about most famous edits ever, but interesting he had addressed it.
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Originally Posted by tenaciousdave
I don't remember seeing any quote starting the movie.
You don't remember a quote starting off the 1993 movie? It's right after the overture.
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in fact, his entire performance was very good and i couldn't imagine another in that role.
Really?
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Originally Posted by RichC2
You do realize that Kingdom of Heaven and Memoirs of a Geisha were two of the most critically lambasted big-budget movies of the year, right?
Eh. They were the first "artsy" sounding movies I saw on a list of possible contenders. Doesn't change Kong's chances much.
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Originally Posted by Jason
Eh. They were the first "artsy" sounding movies I saw on a list of possible contenders. Doesn't change Kong's chances much.
What makes you so sure that King Kong, in a year filled with weak efforts and no real standouts, is so likely to fail where in the past few years, Return of the King, Master and Commander, The Two Towers, and Fellowship of the Ring have succeeded (as well as numerous other action-heavy, relatively big budget films)?

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