Why did Alien: Ressurrection Suck?
09-28-05, 01:00 PM
#77
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Originally Posted by Numanoid
eXcentris, I'd like to buy you a beer and watch Alien 3 with you sometime. 
Can we end the evening by sacrificing a couple of Alien 3 haters to the gods of nihilism by throwing them in a huge vat of molten metal? If so, I'm there!
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09-28-05, 01:32 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by Numanoid
eXcentris, I'd like to buy you a beer and watch Alien 3 with you sometime.
09-28-05, 03:13 PM
#79
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
That's a big generalization which I could counter with why should we care about the marines in Aliens when they are just there to serve as alien food? Why should I care more about the Hicks character than the Clemens character? Or the Dillon character? Both of which were more interesting and better acted characters than anyone in Aliens.
The Marines are there by choice, they made the decision to join and take on any threats to human colonies. Ask anyone who has o had a releative in the military and you can find some sympathy in reguards to dying in the line of duty.
I'll admit that the prisoners in "Alien 3" were better acted, but that really doesn't make them easier for me to relate to. The alien kills them and they don't have to spend another 40 years sitting around in a prison....ok,so? I found the prisoners motovation seemed to be more of saving thier own asses and stopping the alien from harming others was a mere afterthought to them.
09-28-05, 03:39 PM
#80
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Originally Posted by UAIOE
The Marines are there by choice, they made the decision to join and take on any threats to human colonies. Ask anyone who has o had a releative in the military and you can find some sympathy in reguards to dying in the line of duty.
). I'm supposed to sympathize with them because they died in the line of duty, fighting ALIENS in a SCI_FI popcorn flick? I worry about how horribly cool their demise looks, not about them as (disposable) characters. And everytime I watch Aliens, I pray for that whining annoying Hudson character to get eaten first but sadly that never happens. 
I'll admit that the prisoners in "Alien 3" were better acted, but that really doesn't make them easier for me to relate to. The alien kills them and they don't have to spend another 40 years sitting around in a prison....ok,so? I found the prisoners motovation seemed to be more of saving thier own asses and stopping the alien from harming others was a mere afterthought to them.
Anyway, let's agree to disagree because we'll never see eye to eye on this film.
09-28-05, 03:48 PM
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Well thats the genius of Aliens. It establishes a bunch of characters within the confines of a sci-fi action flick that elicit emotions they are either (a) likable (b) despisable but they definitely more than cannon fodder. Thats the problem with all of the action films nowadays no set up, or transaparent set up. (see AVP)
Clemens and Dillon are two good characters as well, but unfortunately, the rest of the cast of Alien3 are just interchangeable. The stuido realized that, panicked, and started chopping the film. Then really bad things started happening.
Lets face it - Aliens did not rip up the groundwork set in Alien. It expanded it.
Alien3 did rip up a lot of things from both films however. It ripped up the alien lifecycle established in Aliens prettyt firmly. (The Alien lifecylce was itself different in Alien, but it wasn't definitively established which gave Cameron the opening to change the behavior.
But more importantly it ripped the hell out of Ripley's relationship with Newt and Hicks. I give the film credit for doing it I guess, but I don't think Alien3 does enough with the new slate.
Clemens and Dillon are two good characters as well, but unfortunately, the rest of the cast of Alien3 are just interchangeable. The stuido realized that, panicked, and started chopping the film. Then really bad things started happening.
Lets face it - Aliens did not rip up the groundwork set in Alien. It expanded it.
Alien3 did rip up a lot of things from both films however. It ripped up the alien lifecycle established in Aliens prettyt firmly. (The Alien lifecylce was itself different in Alien, but it wasn't definitively established which gave Cameron the opening to change the behavior.
But more importantly it ripped the hell out of Ripley's relationship with Newt and Hicks. I give the film credit for doing it I guess, but I don't think Alien3 does enough with the new slate.
09-28-05, 11:07 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by eXcentris
Anyway, let's agree to disagree because we'll never see eye to eye on this film.
I found everyone, even Ripley, to be very bland.
