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Old 08-12-05, 04:31 PM
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Did ANYONE else NOT like SIN CITY?

Forgive me if theres already a 'dislike' theread out there for this movie--I searched.

Watching this movie was like watching some big self important cartoon. Lots of exaggeration and superhero type 'powers' and unrealistic events but on top of it is the silly narration "Bah Goldie, you were goot ta me AHHHH GOLDIE!!! GOLDIE!!! THE GILRZ NAME WAZ GOLDIE! She wuz da best Dame A guy eva HAD!" over and over about her. How can that not be comical? Then 98lb spiderman beats up this incredible hulk character. SOMEHOW this altar boy can fight him. But of course he HAS to because this hulk guy needs to have a 'boss fight' with someone, it might as well be spiderman.

This whole movie does its best to call attention to itself as if to say HEY FANS watch this really cool special effect! Its gunna be gory and funny! I think there were plot points but when they started to get interesting, the movie just punched through them out of lazyness.

The violence in general is fake and silly. Like cliche action hero movies where theres no real damage done in a fight until they need to 'go down'. Sure theres more deaths than other movies, but thats portrayed as comical too. there is no sincerity its just 'wow he got that dude' like a phoney video game. It's pure teenage wank fest, simply to try to out shock the numb audience or perhaps numb us more.

Is it just the hot chicks that has people all excited about this movie really? I can understand if not condone that.

Are people calling it 'art' because Frank Miller did it? Is it art because its black and white (mostly)?

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That wasn't Spiderman. It was Frodo.

Hopefully, that tidbit of information is enough to push you over the top and enjoy the movie.
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It's a comic book movie for adults. I'm not really sure what your complaint is. It like saying you hate action movies and went to see Rambo and didn't like it.
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great thread!
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OH right frodo!! i get them mixed up sometimes. lol

Im a fan of several comic book movies (spiderman, xmen, batman begins) but not comics per se. Is everyone who likes this movie a fan of Millers stuff in print?
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I guess the characters all seemed like no good losers or cliche ridden 'baddies' from the likes of 'batman & robin'. It would of been cooler if that big guy marv, valued his life more or something. Having him suicidal (in the depressed way, not the risky way) made me care less about him.
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Rodriguez hasn't the mind or vision to avoid cliché. He's essentially Michael Bay for film geeks.
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I don't recall anyone calling it 'art,' per se. There were definitely fans of it, and it sounds like you just didn't buy into the conceit the story was trying to put forward: that this was an over-the-top hard boiled crime story. If you didn't get that, then it's no wonder you didn't like the movie.
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Originally Posted by Joe Molotov
It's a comic book movie for adults. I'm not really sure what your complaint is. It like saying you hate action movies and went to see Rambo and didn't like it.

What he said.

I liked it and will buy it.
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In terms of the script keep in mind it's based off a series of graphic novels that are pretty much comic noir. Yes it's corny/unrealistic but that kind of narration is sort of the norm for noir, same goes with the superhero like good guy (although calling Marv a good guy is a big stretch)
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When I heard about this movie I thought it would be right up my alley as a hard-boiled film noirl look type movie, but I just did not care for the over-the-top violence (I'm not THAT squeamish but I just didn't think it was necessary for the story). I just lost interest after a while and found the movie boring.

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For me, it's a mixed bag. In some ways, I thought the movie was kind of empty-- I didn't really care about the characters or think they grew much. On the other hand, I thought it was beautifully filmed (and I thought the comic was beautiful, too, even when the dialogue made me groan).

I wanted to have the comic stills/frames put into the story like they were in the trailer, and was disappointed that that effect wasn't actually in the film. I don't think the story is that great, but as an action movie, it held my interest. I'll probably buy it because as a movie that I appreciate for its imagery, I'll watch it more than I would watch a movie that I appreciate for its plot.

(Yeah, I know I'm probably sick for thinking the imagery in Sin City was beautiful . . .)
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I didn't like it. I thought the look and the filming were cool, but I mostly cringed throughout the movie. Took me a while to get the bad taste out of my mouth.
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Originally Posted by Save Ferris
OH right frodo!! i get them mixed up sometimes. lol

Im a fan of several comic book movies (spiderman, xmen, batman begins) but not comics per se. Is everyone who likes this movie a fan of Millers stuff in print?
I just wanted to chime in and say that I enjoyed it and no I've never read any of the Sin City comics nor am I a fan of comics in general. Actually, I don't think I've ever even read a comic book.
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That Goldie thing got on my nerves as well. Goldie this Goldie that. BUT I kept in mind that he felt like he had his everything taken away from him, and having that feeling thrives you to one point.
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Your beef is not with the movie, but with the original comic books, which as has been said before, are the film almost word-for-word and frame-for-frame. The violence, the cheesy Flonase-noir dialogue, the over-the-top violence, are all in there. Rodriguez just did an excellent job of bringing that to life.
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I thought the film was just ok. Sure the visuals were pretty cool but the dialouge was pretty awful. If it had been written by Akiva Goldsman instead of Frank Miller, more people would be bitching. Its a really overrated movie, one that I won't be buying.
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I'll admit the movie 'oozed with style' but maybe is better as a comic (or animated web comic) rather than for 2 hours on screen. Maybe it works better by definition to have people and cars pose stylishly in a comic book as artistic panels rather than on screen where it seems like all visuals and no substance.

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Originally Posted by Save Ferris
I'll admit the movie 'oozed with style' but maybe is better as a comic rather than for 2 hours on screen. Im sure some people love nothing more than to see people and cars pose stylishly on screen all day but at some point the 'teenager' in us has to move on from pornography to the real thing--all visuals no substance--metaphorically speaking.
I'm not sure I appreciate that you keep insinuating that people who did like this movie are somehow immature or a bunch of horndogs. Couldn't you just accept the fact that some people liked the movie and you didn't, and there isn't any real reason outside of personal taste?
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Originally Posted by Save Ferris
Forgive me if theres already a 'dislike' theread out there for this movie--I searched.

Watching this movie was like watching some big self important cartoon. Lots of exaggeration and superhero type 'powers' and unrealistic events but on top of it is the silly narration "Bah Goldie, you were goot ta me AHHHH GOLDIE!!! GOLDIE!!! THE GILRZ NAME WAZ GOLDIE! She wuz da best Dame A guy eva HAD!" over and over about her. How can that not be comical? Then 98lb spiderman beats up this incredible hulk character. SOMEHOW this altar boy can fight him. But of course he HAS to because this hulk guy needs to have a 'boss fight' with someone, it might as well be spiderman.

This whole movie does its best to call attention to itself as if to say HEY FANS watch this really cool special effect! Its gunna be gory and funny! I think there were plot points but when they started to get interesting, the movie just punched through them out of lazyness.

The violence in general is fake and silly. Like cliche action hero movies where theres no real damage done in a fight until they need to 'go down'. Sure theres more deaths than other movies, but thats portrayed as comical too. there is no sincerity its just 'wow he got that dude' like a phoney video game. It's pure teenage wank fest, simply to try to out shock the numb audience or perhaps numb us more.

Is it just the hot chicks that has people all excited about this movie really? I can understand if not condone that.

Are people calling it 'art' because Frank Miller did it? Is it art because its black and white (mostly)?
Wow, most offensive review ever. Did you even know it was based on a comic going in? Did you bother to check out the comic? I read these years ago when I was younger, and again before the film hit, and couldn't even believe how absolutely perfect it was brought to the screen. There has never been a comic-based movie brought more faithfully - like someone else said, almost word-for-word and frame-for-frame. I couldn't have been happier.

If you didn't lose most people at "teenage wank fest", then you probably lost the rest at your ignorantly rhetorical questioning of "what is art"?
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It seems to me from reading many of the Sin City threads since the film came out that the ones who dislike it either were turned off by the violence or didn't like the film noir style of dialog and story telling. Many pulp books and films have used this style but not as much recently. Perhaps some younger viewers who aren't used to this style just can't appreciate it.

Here's a link to a very good description of film noir that if you take the time to read it you'll see that this film fits the description very well. The whole hero/anti-hero bit, the black and white photography, the voiceover narration, the whole tone and mood of the story just screams film noir.

I loved this aspect of it and the comic book style just added enough to make it different and more original to me.
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I suppose it is the violence that I dont like about Sin City. Not that Im opposed to any violence or squeamish--I just dont think they did the violence very well.

Its 'schitzophrenic'. One minute the violence is life-threatening and the next its a silly 4th grade joke (his head came off and he was tryin to talk to us!). The mood was all over the place.

The marv character has amazing super powers. Bullets dont affect him, he has amazing strength. Trained cops and military are little kids before his strength. Ok this is typical for a comic book movie and thats fine. BUT when he gets to his 'boss battle' all his powers go away and he has trouble fighting a 98lb altar boy. Why? Because its in the rulebook of bad action movies. Boss battles HAVE to be difficult. Im sorry thats just lazy cinema.

As I said before I liked some of the film noir qualities (visually) but I doubt many film noir movies have this element of schitzophrenic violence and mood. What I remember of traditional film noir is a more consistant mood and theme.

I did read 'The dark knight returns' years ago and liked it. And I knew this much about miller before watching Sin City.
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I thought it was grossly overrated, but still a decent watch, and I'd check it out again. It reminded me of "Heavy Metal", though I found Sin City to be far superior.
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Originally Posted by Save Ferris

The marv character has amazing super powers. Bullets dont affect him, he has amazing strength. Trained cops and military are little kids before his strength. Ok this is typical for a comic book movie and thats fine. BUT when he gets to his 'boss battle' all his powers go away and he has trouble fighting a 98lb altar boy. Why? Because its in the rulebook of bad action movies. Boss battles HAVE to be difficult. Im sorry thats just lazy cinema.
That sounds like an odd summation of the fight between Marv and Kevin. I don't think it has anything to do with a "rulebook" or being lazy, it's simply that Kevin is a helluva lot faster and agile then Marv and knows how to fight rather then brawl. The thought of it being a "boss battle" never even occured to me. It sounds like you're just drawing from superhero stories and bringing it in to Sin City just because its a comic book.
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It seems like you are faulting the movie for following the generic comic book "rules of play," and then turning around and faulting it for not following those rules. You seem to be frustrated in trying to figure this movie out and why you didn't like it; in trying to categorize it and break it down into component parts. Maybe you should stop trying to fit the movie into a specific genre or style and assume it is its own genre, that borrows or takes on the form of these other styles of film.

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