Huh?

I agree. Also, I was just going back and reading different WIZARD issues that had Batman Beginsn stuff in them and in one of the issues the stunt coodinator for the movie, Paul Jennings, said pretty much what you said. They wanted the fights to be simple and gritty. They also didn't want Bats jumping all over especially if it wasn't necessary. They didn't want him to look "Superhuman".

I thought of that as well....But Batman did some recon type of work....which you could label as being a detective...getting clues.

How about this minor beef....Ra's Al Ghul never called Bats, Detective I was kinda hoping for this.

That bothered me at first to but i guess they could have pointed it down. That makes sense when you look at what the train was doing.

I saw it the other night. Greatness! The definitive Batman for me. Bale was great as usual.

All the actors were top notch too except Holmes. I thought she was mis-cast.

Slight humor??? C'mon it's the Joker!! I want a zanny psycho who gets kicks with causing pain,suffering and laughs and jokes about it. Creepy.

IMO, I just hope he isnt over the top like Jack was in 1989. Dont get me wrong, I loved Jack in that role, he was great, but I think Nolan (or whoever the director will be) needs to take it to a different place to avoid the performance being compared to Jack.

I guess well see.

I wasn't nearly as blown away by Batman Begins as most here seem to be. It was the most competent Batman film yet (not really saying much), and I like the epic feel of the film, but X-2 was better, and SM2 was in a different league IMO.

Something that bugged me enough to be detrimental to my viewing experience:

I know we're starting over in the Batman universe, but the lack of continuity with the Burton films bugged me. I already saw Bruce's parents die and I already saw Bruce fall down the well...and they were different...and it bugged me. I understand why they needed to show these things again, but I don't think that maintaining continuity would have been difficult at all. "Hey kid...you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?" Who would they get to follow Jack Nicholson in that role anyway? Whoever it is, I feel bad for them. The obvious choice would be Jim Carrey, but that wouldn't exactly work, would it?

I also thought the evaporator thingie along with the way they stopped it was stupid...on the same level as the time travel thing in Superman and the mutator thingie in X-Men. It was also entirely unneccesary, since a couple of cropdusters (or better yet, airships) could have accomplished the same thing. Plus the physics of it are simply a mess.

I also didn't get a lot of emotional resonance from the movie. I wasn't really feeling for the characters in this one the way I have thus far with the Spider-Man cast. In the SM2 train scene, I cried like a baby (don't tell anybody). I felt pretty much nothing in the BB one. Or how about the girl's big speech at the end? When Joey gave her "mask" speech, I was fairly disinterested in her or her character. But when MJ showed up in the wedding gown and said "Go get em, Tiger" I could have just burst. I guess I'm just talking about basic emotional resonance, of which BB was pretty much empty (at least for me). But in its defense, Spider-man is about the only comic book series to really nail that aspect.

Still, it was a respectful and adult way to restart the franchise, and I enjoyed it for that. It had a lot in common with the original Superman and the X-men in that it had a great origin and buildup with an eyerolling payoff. It was a very competently put together film from a technical standpoint and is a must buy on DVD. I'd even go as far as to call it a top-5 comic book movie. I'm just saying that it wasn't "all that".

Saw the movie last night and fell asleep in the last 15 minutes, out of being tired, not being bored. I am going to see it again.

I knew nothing about the movie when I went to see it, except that it was a fresh start for the franchise. It is still not as good as the early animated series (my personal favorite), but it's the best Batman movie I have ever seen and is along the lines of X2 for one of the best superhero movies ever.

That said, I can't wait until the next one, which I hope they make --- they better adapt

If you realize that this is starting over, then how can it bug you?

I look at this completely differently. It has nothing to do with the old films. Nothing.

Jim Carrey as the joker? Hopefully not.

Can't say...maybe it was a subconscious thing. Like you're watching a scene and something in the back of your head is saying "this isn't right". Maybe it's just that the "old" movies are still too "new".

I can't defend Carrey...just thought he was the obvious choice. Somebody suggested Adrian Brody, and that makes a lot of sense too.

Fortunately, I was able to seperate this movie from the other ones. Alot of people on other forums are asking why they dont match up?? Im sooo glad this series is starting over. Hopefully, it will not turn into short star cameos, bat nipples and crappy U2 songs.

Yeah, I suggested Brody. I think he would be a good choice. Whoever it is, needs to play him very dark and disturbed, but yet avoid similarities to Jack in 1989. I think it will be a tough task, but can be done. Brody might be just the guy to do it.

That makes no sense at all. You already know this movie has nothing to do with the previous four, yet you want continuity with them? Hell, if you want to keep going down this path, Gordon creates the bat signal, Joker already exists, Gotham doesn't look like turn-of-the-century Europe, Joker didn't kill the Waynes, and this can go on and on forever.

I didn't say I wanted anything. I just said that it distracted me seeing nearly identical scenes...but slightly different.

The original movies didn't have a ton of continuity either for that matter.(Harvey Dent changing colors, Gotham changing every movie, etc).

Besides, it was a minor quibble. My real beef was the evaporama deus ex machina and the complete lack of emotional resonance.

Anyone mention Katie Holmes' THO in the last scene?

That is a good thing to bring up... the death of his parents scene. Talk about boring! "Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight..." -- a classic scene that trumps Batman Begins.

Those are awful big words to use about a superhero movie.

Wow, I feel a new breed of Batman fans coming around....Burton vs Nolan (Im not even going to throw Joel Sh*tmaker in there)

$15,145,000 is the early estimates for Wednesday only at box office mojo
15 million is pretty good for a week day take with the weekend to go,

So should be ok.

Yeah, I figure if it makes 100m it's first wk, it'll hit 200m by the end of it's run. 250 if it's got legs.

Be seeing it later today. Can't wait!

I dont normally see movies at the theater twice, but in this case, I will.

I want to reward studios for producing such good movies. I dont mind spending it. I hope others do the same.

Prolly see it at the local IMAX here this time.

$15 mil for wednesday!

not to bad

$15 mil isn't too shabby, especially since it isn't Star Wars. I actually think that Batman Begins has a chance to sustain business over into next weekend, since nothing really major opens against it until War of the Worlds. (I don't see Bewitched brining in that big of an audience.)

I think a great young in the next one would be Crispin Glover.

A joker without any humor is no joker I know.