Why does The Fantastic Four look better than Batman Begins?
06-02-05, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by uberjoe
It looks that way because you have poor taste.
uberjoe, take a moment to consider what pdinosaur said...
Originally Posted by pdinosaur
it's equally tasteless to ridicule someone for not holding your same opinion of these movies.
06-02-05, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Another vote for Batman Begins.
Although FWIW, I see both movies underperorming at the box-office this summer. FF will rub the comic fans the wrong way with its tongue in cheek attitude, while Batman Begins will rub the general public the wrong way with its story being mostly origin and little action. Granted, the fanboys will likely talk up Batman Begins, but in the end I doubt their opinions matter to the public.
In all honesty, I have always felt that a Batman movie done the right way, which looks to be the case with this one, would not perform too well at the box-office because the comics were never really too focused on action.
Although FWIW, I see both movies underperorming at the box-office this summer. FF will rub the comic fans the wrong way with its tongue in cheek attitude, while Batman Begins will rub the general public the wrong way with its story being mostly origin and little action. Granted, the fanboys will likely talk up Batman Begins, but in the end I doubt their opinions matter to the public.
In all honesty, I have always felt that a Batman movie done the right way, which looks to be the case with this one, would not perform too well at the box-office because the comics were never really too focused on action.
I always thought the FF characters were goofy, and I think the movie will work b/c of it.
I think the general public will hate Batman, it will not be what people are expecting, but I think it will be true to the character. I'm actually happy WB had the guts to make (what seems) a better movie instead of a giant crap fest that johnQ public would pay to see anyway (of course all this is from trialers, i could be a huge crap fest and i'm giving it way too much credit from what i've seen in trailer clips).
06-02-05, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Superboy
I would reserve my judgement until I saw the movie. The script is done by none other than David Goyer...who wrote the Blade movies, if you don't remember.
So that should make you feel a bit better.
06-02-05, 04:00 PM
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Well I have never liked the character Batman for a whole host of reasons. The primary one is the vast majority of the time a human is depicted as superior physically to characters with extra-human powers. So given that I have a pre-disposition against Batman, quite literally *any* movie looks better than BB to me.
06-02-05, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Nuff
Well I have never liked the character Batman for a whole host of reasons. The primary one is the vast majority of the time a human is depicted as superior physically to characters with extra-human powers. So given that I have a pre-disposition against Batman, quite literally *any* movie looks better than BB to me.
06-02-05, 05:05 PM
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I find this interesting:
I'm glad she didn't totally suck but I still don't get why she was cast. What other actresses were offered her role?
Katie Holmes, I could have taken or left. She wasn’t horrible, but she definitely didn’t measure up to the great performances around her, and for some odd reason, to me, just didn’t seem to “fit” in the movie.
06-02-05, 05:06 PM
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The 10 minute preview from Smallville is what really turned me off to BB, I guess it might be my age (24) that has something to do with it because I love the Batman animated films/series and hate the movies. Maybe I am just not in the mood for Dark films, I watched Daredevil
C & Elektra back-to-back and was bored to death with all the dark shadowy stuff in Elektra, it dominated the whole movie where-as Daredevil had some nice bright vibrant enjoyable scenes, FF seemed to have alot of "bright day" scenes in the trailer and BB had only Dark dreary depressing (last thing I wanna see) scenes. And that scene where Bale says "A Man in a Bat Suit is ridiculous" or something like that, He looks nothing like Bruce Wayne should and that stupid smile. I guess I am just one of the few Comic Book fans who feel that BB just isn't going to work. I also loved both Spider-Man films, they are the benchmark for Super-Hero films to me.
C & Elektra back-to-back and was bored to death with all the dark shadowy stuff in Elektra, it dominated the whole movie where-as Daredevil had some nice bright vibrant enjoyable scenes, FF seemed to have alot of "bright day" scenes in the trailer and BB had only Dark dreary depressing (last thing I wanna see) scenes. And that scene where Bale says "A Man in a Bat Suit is ridiculous" or something like that, He looks nothing like Bruce Wayne should and that stupid smile. I guess I am just one of the few Comic Book fans who feel that BB just isn't going to work. I also loved both Spider-Man films, they are the benchmark for Super-Hero films to me.
06-02-05, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JJE-187
I guess it might be my age (24) that has something to do with it because I love the Batman animated films/series and hate the movies.
And if you're a fan of the comic, how can you not want what was meant to be. Just read Killing Joke.
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06-02-05, 05:32 PM
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batman is on my definitely see in theaters list. F4 is on my maybe on theaters, probably not until dvd list, and only because Michael Chiklis is in it
06-02-05, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Although FWIW, I see both movies underperorming at the box-office this summer. FF will rub the comic fans the wrong way with its tongue in cheek attitude, while Batman Begins will rub the general public the wrong way with its story being mostly origin and little action. Granted, the fanboys will likely talk up Batman Begins, but in the end I doubt their opinions matter to the public.
In all honesty, I have always felt that a Batman movie done the right way, which looks to be the case with this one, would not perform too well at the box-office because the comics were never really too focused on action.
In all honesty, I have always felt that a Batman movie done the right way, which looks to be the case with this one, would not perform too well at the box-office because the comics were never really too focused on action.
Originally Posted by mikewendt
But Batman looks to be taking itself too seriously. I think if they spend too much time on the "origins" and training of Batman, they'll loose the broad audience. Die hard fans will probably apprieciate the story, but let's face it, in this day and age it's about mass appeal and to the general movie going crowd Batman belongs in Gothom...
06-02-05, 07:46 PM
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I know I have not just read a supposed comic-fan saying that Spider-Man is the "benchmark of comic films". Then again, I have also read another post that says Batman Begins takes to many liberties with the souyrce material. What comic film doesn't? I mean, Spider-Man changed Mary Jane almost completely.
06-02-05, 07:56 PM
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LivingINClip, doen't be surprised if the Tumbler becomes this year's organic webshooters.
06-02-05, 09:53 PM
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I will see both films and I am just hoping that each of them captures the tone of the comic books. Batman should be a dark film with alot of more human elements and emotion. FF should be more flashy and special effects laden. That is what I expect.
06-02-05, 11:39 PM
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My SO doesn't want to go see another superhero movie where the majority of the film is spent explaining why he became the hero he is. She saw enough of that in the original Spider-man and doesn't want to see it anymore. That's her thoughts on Batman. The trailers make it appear they are going to spend quite a bit of the movie on the how and why he became Batman. It might have worked if this were the first release, but how many Batman films have there been?
I on the other hand am excited to see both films.
I on the other hand am excited to see both films.
06-03-05, 09:46 AM
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The way I view things, I dont compare F4 to Batman at all... its apples & oranges. Now compare F4 to the previous X Men Movies and there is a true debate.
For my money and my hopes..F4 is gonna blow away X Men. I never liked the X men movies. I find them to be overly slick without any "meat" to the plots. I was also never an X Men comic fan, but always had a spot for the 4
For my money and my hopes..F4 is gonna blow away X Men. I never liked the X men movies. I find them to be overly slick without any "meat" to the plots. I was also never an X Men comic fan, but always had a spot for the 4
06-03-05, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AeroStone
The way I view things, I dont compare F4 to Batman at all... its apples & oranges.
Not really. Both are superhero movies that come out about the same time.
It is more of a if I were only able to see one of them... type debates.
06-03-05, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cruzness
I will see both films and I am just hoping that each of them captures the tone of the comic books. Batman should be a dark film with alot of more human elements and emotion. FF should be more flashy and special effects laden. That is what I expect.
06-03-05, 03:01 PM
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Gotta add that going back and reshooting the third act of FF doesn't sit well with me. Or the fact they felt the need to go back and re-do effects shots after the Incredibles came out.
It still looks entertaining, probably just a rental though.
It still looks entertaining, probably just a rental though.
06-03-05, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
These posts may be right, they may be wrong, but don't forget that box office performance and "mass appeal" have nothing to do with whether the movies are good or bad.
You are correct. However, it seems that the studios who finance the movies have a different line of thought. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like Hollywood people are more than willing to flock behind a movie they genuinely think is good and support it with an honest attitude, and then totally abandon it if the box-office isn't set one fire. It's almost like they'll forget they ever said a positive word and act as if they didn't see the movie at all.
Case in point Sky Captain and the World of Tommorrow. While not great, it was very entertaining and I remember many people talking it up on the shows, but once it didn't achieve at the B.O., they seemed to take an "it sucked" attitude as opposed to standing by what they said.
In short, "mass appeal" has nothing to do with whether a movie is good or bad, but from a business standpoint of wanting to make more good movies like it , it seems to be the final word.
06-03-05, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by POWERBOMB
My SO doesn't want to go see another superhero movie where the majority of the film is spent explaining why he became the hero he is.
06-03-05, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by POWERBOMB
My SO doesn't want to go see another superhero movie where the majority of the film is spent explaining why he became the hero he is.