So who ordered the clones? (AOTC Question)
05-24-05 | 10:07 AM
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So who ordered the clones? (AOTC Question)
I just watched AOTC again the other night, and I can't figure out who actually ordered the clones. Those tall people mentioned some jedi named Cypher Dias or something like that, but that name didn't ring a bell at all. Was he in the Phantom Menace?
05-24-05 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by joeblow69
I just watched AOTC again the other night, and I can't figure out who actually ordered the clones. Those tall people mentioned some jedi named Cypher Dias or something like that, but that name didn't ring a bell at all. Was he in the Phantom Menace?
The only thing I can figure is that it is Darth Sidious.
05-24-05 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Brain Stew
Sifa Dias (I think that's his name)
The only thing I can figure is that it is Darth Sidious.
The only thing I can figure is that it is Darth Sidious.
05-24-05 | 10:24 AM
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It’s possible that either Dooku or Sideous ordered the clones while disguised as Sifo Dyas. Or it's possible that Sifo Dyas was tricked into it. Or it's possible he turned to the dark side. I guess there's no way we can know.
05-24-05 | 10:29 AM
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The book Labyrinth of Evil delves into this a bit, and I saw somewhere in the spoiler thread a comic that addresses Master Sifo-Dyas. If I'm remembering correctly, it was indeed Sifo-Dyas who commissioned the Clone Army's creation, but then Dooku killed him and gave his lightsaber to Grievous.
05-24-05 | 10:36 AM
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I found this:
http://messageboard.cinescape.com/ci...&Number=186895
Did Grievous actually exist at the time? If he did why wasn't he in AOTC?
Right now I'm reading Labyrinth of Evil the star wars novel that leads right up to the events of Episode III. Anyway, part of the book is the first official revelation of who Sifo-Dyas was and how the clones were ordered.
Note- This is all told from Dooku's point of view, so it is very possible he was partly deceived.
Anyway, Dooku as a Jedi had always been way too interested in the dark arts. But after the death of Qui Gon, he is contacted by Sidious and begins to truly learn the ways of the Sith, while remaining a Jedi. He begins to talk much to Master Sifo-Dyas, who also has some dissatisfaction with the Jedi Council and the Republic.
Sifo-Dyas does actually order the clone army, not anyone else under his name. Sidious learns of this, and orders Dooku to kill Sifo-Dyas as his Sith "trial", hide the evidence from the Jedi by wiping Kamino out of their records, and recruit Jango Fett to be the template for the army.
I'm not quite done with the book, but it's a definite must read if you're a spoiler head.
Note- This is all told from Dooku's point of view, so it is very possible he was partly deceived.
Anyway, Dooku as a Jedi had always been way too interested in the dark arts. But after the death of Qui Gon, he is contacted by Sidious and begins to truly learn the ways of the Sith, while remaining a Jedi. He begins to talk much to Master Sifo-Dyas, who also has some dissatisfaction with the Jedi Council and the Republic.
Sifo-Dyas does actually order the clone army, not anyone else under his name. Sidious learns of this, and orders Dooku to kill Sifo-Dyas as his Sith "trial", hide the evidence from the Jedi by wiping Kamino out of their records, and recruit Jango Fett to be the template for the army.
I'm not quite done with the book, but it's a definite must read if you're a spoiler head.
Did Grievous actually exist at the time? If he did why wasn't he in AOTC?
05-24-05 | 10:38 AM
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I found this:
http://messageboard.cinescape.com/ci...&Number=186895
Did Grievous actually exist at the time? If he did why wasn't he in AOTC?
http://messageboard.cinescape.com/ci...&Number=186895
Did Grievous actually exist at the time? If he did why wasn't he in AOTC?
because his agents couldnt strike a deal for the new movie
05-24-05 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Class316
I found this:
http://messageboard.cinescape.com/ci...&Number=186895
Did Grievous actually exist at the time? If he did why wasn't he in AOTC?
http://messageboard.cinescape.com/ci...&Number=186895
Did Grievous actually exist at the time? If he did why wasn't he in AOTC?
The real reason is that Lucas didn't think him up until after AOTC.
05-24-05 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ketamine
Same reason Chewie, General Tarkin, Jabba the Hut, etc weren't in AOTC. They were around in the universe, they just weren't a part of the story told in that movie.
The real reason is that Lucas didn't think him up until after AOTC.
The real reason is that Lucas didn't think him up until after AOTC.
05-24-05 | 11:48 AM
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There's nothing "official" about Labyrinth of Evil. It's Extended Universe stuff. Take it with a grain of salt since it's one author's interpretation of events. Yeah George put his stamp of approval on it, but since George didn't write it, it isn't necessarily the way George sees it.
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05-24-05 | 12:01 PM
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Yea but for someone as powerful as he is, I would have thought the separatist army would've loved to use him.
05-24-05 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Hollow Man
There's nothing "official" about Labyrinth of Evil. It's Extended Universe stuff. Take it with a grain of salt since it's one author's interpretation of events. Yeah George put his stamp of approval on it, but since George didn't write it, it isn't necessarily the way George sees it.
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05-24-05 | 12:10 PM
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George put his stamp on the Holiday Special, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who feels it's "official" (although it sure would be fun to imagine Chewbacca has a father named "Itchy").
Only the movies are Star Wars "fact", although at times Lucasfilm has considered the scripts, novels of the movies, radio plays, and DK books as well. More info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon
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Only the movies are Star Wars "fact", although at times Lucasfilm has considered the scripts, novels of the movies, radio plays, and DK books as well. More info here:
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05-24-05 | 02:00 PM
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I stopped using EU stuff for reference after the whole "Uncle Owen and Ben Kenobi were brothers" bit was conveniently forgotten. Although I enjoyed episode III, I thought the whole point of the final chapter in a trilogy was to answer questions raised in the first two. Not adequately explaining Force ghosts or Sifo-Dyas are two examples of some blunders. Ironically, if George never brought these things up in the first place, we would have always assumed that all good Jedi who die become ghosts, and Palpatine ordered the clones.
05-24-05 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hollow Man
George put his stamp on the Holiday Special, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who feels it's "official" (although it sure would be fun to imagine Chewbacca has a father named "Itchy").
Only the movies are Star Wars "fact", although at times Lucasfilm has considered the scripts, novels of the movies, radio plays, and DK books as well. More info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon
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Only the movies are Star Wars "fact", although at times Lucasfilm has considered the scripts, novels of the movies, radio plays, and DK books as well. More info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon
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05-24-05 | 10:25 PM
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Canon isn't just about deciding which things are "right" when there's a contradiction. it's also about what did and what didn't happen. And trust you me, there's no Harvey Korman cooking show on Kashyyyk in the Star Wars universe.
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05-24-05 | 11:13 PM
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Not really sure if Sifo-Dyas actually did order the clones. I would tend to believe it was ordered by Darth Sideous and carried out by another pretending to be Sifo-Dyas. Seeing how all the clones were encoded with the "Order 66" that automatically has them killing all Jedi's also leads me to believe it was not Sifo-Dyas.
05-24-05 | 11:16 PM
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but the Bea Arthur does own the cantina
if anything should have been digitally added to the dvds it should have been Bea replacing the bartender in ANH
if anything should have been digitally added to the dvds it should have been Bea replacing the bartender in ANH
05-25-05 | 03:07 AM
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I really think that they whole clone army was masterminded by Sidious. He secretly created the clone army to use while he manipulated the trade federation to purposely create a war just so he could rise to power. Whether or not Sifo dyas actually ordered the army is trivial. Interesting and I wish they told us what was behind it but trivial nontheless.
05-25-05 | 05:46 AM
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Doesn't the visual dictionary state on Dooku's page that he killed Syfo Dyas and ordered the Clones in Syfo Dyas' name? I'm sure someone has it and can confirm this. I just ran across it browsing in the bookstore. I'd consider that more canon than EU novels.
Regarding canon, novels post ROTS might not be totally canon, but they are probably closer than pre-ROTS novels just due to the fact Lucas has finally finished his movies and they don't have to guess anymore at his intentions and end up being contradicted.
Regarding canon, novels post ROTS might not be totally canon, but they are probably closer than pre-ROTS novels just due to the fact Lucas has finally finished his movies and they don't have to guess anymore at his intentions and end up being contradicted.
05-25-05 | 07:24 AM
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Roger, table 5 oredered the clones, and they wanted extra fries with that. Jesus, you think you'd need a rocket science degree to work at Finnegan's.
Get your ass moving, we just had like 12 old people walk in and they look ready to bust your chops.
Get your ass moving, we just had like 12 old people walk in and they look ready to bust your chops.
05-25-05 | 05:52 PM
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Wow - I never knew people took that fanfic trash seriously. Seriously guys, I adore the series of movies and after seeing Ep. 3, I'm hyped up on Star Wars, but c'mon - read some real novels by real authors with real ideas. If science fiction is what you like, read Dan Simmons' Hyperion and Heinlin's A Stranger in a Strange Land. Read Le Guin's The Left Hand of Darkness and Herbert's Dune and Russell's The Sparrow. Star Wars is great on film, but that doesn't mean you whould waste precious time reading some second-rate hack of an author whose greatest ambition it is to fill in details of someone else's universe. Life's too short for that.
05-25-05 | 08:52 PM
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Zahn and Stackpole and some other authors that write as part of established series aren't hacks
and I have read Heinlein, Herbert, Card, Clarke and others
and I have read Heinlein, Herbert, Card, Clarke and others