ESB question
 

Ok, I know this seems silly but it has been bothering me for quite some time.
The scene in ESB where Lando sells out Han and company. Lando takes Han, Leia and Chewbacca to a room where unknown to them Darth Vader is waiting. So the door opens, and the stunned trio sees Vader sitting at a table which is setup very formally. After trying and failing to sneak attack Vader, Vader says "We would be honored if you would join us" and the door shuts scene over. My question is did they actually sit down and have dinner and try to hash out their differences? Did Vader actually ever eat? I cant see him having gourmet meals considering he was more machine than man. Come to think of it, if I was Vader I would have been ticked off that my dinner guests tried to shoot me!

God damn funny.

Honestly, I thought that this weekend, I watched ESB, I didn't take it as far as dinner, but you see the cups at the table, and I was thinking, did they sit down and have a drink? If YOU were Han and Leia, would YOU drink from something that Vader and Fett whipped up for you? How DO those two drink infront of company? It was really confusing.

I also, as a side note, not to thread jack, got REALLY bothered by the scene when Luke leaved Yoda, and Ben says "That boy is our only hope", and Yoda hits the "No there is another" line as if Ben doesn't know there are twins, that bothered me.

:) Glad Im not the only one. As for the "That boy is our only hope" line, good thought. Since Yoda is some 900+ years old, maybe he was going senile and just blurted that out for no logical reason. He could have just said it to make Obi Wan feel better. lol.

I always thought that old Ben Kenobi was a sexist and didn't think much of Leia as a possible savior to the universe.

I always thought they figured the rebellion would be crushed soon if a Jedi didn't step to the plate, and there wasn't enough time to train Leia. Or they knew Leia didn't have as much potential as Luke. Or Lucas thinks girls are icky.

I had brought that up a while back in the main thread. The explanation offered there was that Kenobi knows about Leia, but doesnt think that she is force sensitive like luke or that it's too late to train her. We will have to see what happens in the birth scene in the upcoming film to find out if that is really a slip up.

I don't think they ate, I think Vader just asked for the goods and threw in the cell. Vader wasn't the kind of guy that beat around the bush.

I'll go with this one. The table was to relax them for that split second when the door opened. Or maybe they knew that was a dining room already, so they wouldn't be afarid to go in. No one sat down..no one ate. Vader had them carried off and began to set the Luke trap.

As for Ben not mentioning Leia...maybe they checked the twin's midichlorian count at birth and Leia's was low.

(Okay..I ALMOST said that with a straight face!) :)

First and foremost, LOVE the name. My son yells that all the time, SEE THE HAT, I AM MRS.NESBIT.

If you name is your real name, and not from Toy Story, I am sorry. :)

Second, Kenobi, a sexist, genius, pure genius.

Have to take you on here. Vader is many things, an emotional youngster, an unstable, obsessed Pat O'Brian type lover, a terrioist of the universe, and mostly, a mean, mean man. But clearly in episidoes I and II, as a youngster, he had increadable table manors. I know the dark side has some major effects on you, in a bad way, but Tarkin, ALWAYS polite, Stormtroopers, Always with the Sir, and such, I do not believe the dark side would have an influence on manors.

Now, to say a line like, "We would be hornored if you would join us" is a RUDE offer if not followed up by an actual dinner, or at the LEAST, drink offer.

Thats just from MY observations though. Mouthing off was swiftly delt with by Vader after that "hokey religion" line in EP IV, the guy has class. Show me a RUDE imperial ANYONE, and I will back down.

Vader sat their, motionless, in agony has Han, Leia, and Lando scarfed down the most delicious food. Vader longed...he longed god damn it...for fish n' chips!!!

Classic!

Are there any female Jedis in the prequels? Perhaps Jedis have historically been men and Ben never considered it...so an "enlightened" Yoda brings up the idea of using Leia.

No there's plenty of female jedi's:

Shaak Ti
Aayla (sp?)
Luminas something or nother

there's a lot, I just can't type or remember a lot of their names...ahh Mara Jade, there's an easy name I remember. :D

Maybe Kenobi doesn't know about Leia and it is Yoda who gives her to Bail Organa. Then ghost Obi-Wan finds out about her off screen in between ESB and ROTJ.

I sit corrected.

(Pat O'Brien type.. HA!)

Shaak Ti :drool:

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Why the hell doesn't CHewie get a medal at the end of ANH? That has always bothered me. He did as much as Solo did, if not more.

:) You guys are great. lol. I think the reason Chewy didnt get a medal is they were afraid he would chew on it and potentially choke. Maybe they thought "He is just a big walking crapet anyway no need for a medal, we will just give him a milk bone" Either that or they couldnt afford another one.

or yoda knew he'd die before leia would find out she had potential
but even after decades of expanded universe time she still doesn't have much jedi training or ability
hell, at the point I stopped reading (right before the new jedi order) her kids were better trained than she was

Equal rights to Wookies!

Damn, these female Jedi's look a lot better out of costume.

I think this is one of the funniest scenes in the OT, because Vader says such a smartass line to them. Like they have any other choice.

The senators and queens look aiight too
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Why would that bother you? 20+ years ago it was not obvious or defined.

I'm guessing you didn't see the movies as they were put out...

Obi-Wan's line about Luke being their last hope was meant to give a sense of urgency, that if Luke failed, the Sith would be around a very long time. It wouldn't have been as dramatic if he specifically mentioned Plan B (i.e., Leia). Yoda does to an extent, but his ambiguous response made it sound like that someone out there would do the job, and that the fate of the galaxy hung in the balance.

Are you kidding? All he did was punch it! And he wouldn't have even punched it in the first place if Han hadn't of told him to punch it!

I have always thought that when Yoda said there was another hope, that he meant Anakin would come back to the light side. Maybe the prophecy wasnt wrong after all? there were just too many jedi's and the numbers had to be thinned out.

The one thing that bothers me about the ESB dinner scene, in the SE's they added windows to what used to be just walls but when the door opens and you see behind the group, the windows are gone and the walls are back. Wha happened there? ;)

That is how I take it now that I've seen the prequels. The prophecy is that the "chosen one" will eliminate the Sith. Anakin eventually fulfills this, just not when or how they expected. The Jedi weren't counting on his detour, and the Sidious never believed he would turn back.

Sidekicks don't get medals. :)

For the dinner I think that Darth Vader and Boba Fett had to use straws and drink their dinners or have an iv inserted into a special opening in their costumes.

The scene with Yoda and Obi-Wan was cut in the middle of Yoda's line. "No, there is another. Idiot you are. Lay off drugs you must."

I figured it out. So the door closes and they all sit down to dinner. Vader speakes to Han

"So what are your intentions towards my daughter?"

Apparently he didnt like Hans response and proceeded to put him in carbon freeze. Case solved.

:)

Sure I did man, I have been a fan for most my 29 years, it bothers me NOW because in ORDER, it no longer makes sence.

Of course it no longer makes sense. Watching ESB and ROTJ we can assume that Obi doesn't know Luke has a sister until he finds out from Yoda. Knowing now what happens in ROTS then that throws that line of thinking out.

I remember an episode if G.I. Joe where Cobra Commander ate a chicken drumstick with his hemlet still on. He would just raise the chicken up to the mask and a piece would disappear from the drumstick. I'm sure Vader and Fett are capable of the same thing.

Somebody tackled this in a short fanfic a few years back. I believe it was on theforce.net's forums, but I'd have no idea how to find it. It was pretty funny though.

is it not possible that yoda is just a better judge of someone's true potential than obiwan? obiwan thinks leia wont add up to a hill of beans (let alone beat down vader in a saber duel) and yoda thinks otherwise? safe to say obi-wans judgement is a little off in general... his 'i can train anakin!' idea was more than a little boo-boo...

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I think I just found new signature material If that is OK?

Maybe Obi-Wan does not know Leah is actually the Skywalker offspring, or perhaps they think that Luke have the force is a fluke in the heredity of the force, since Jedi are not to marry it would make sence that almost no Jedi would be related.

:lol:

Laugh it up, fuzzball