You can save that "different standard" stuff...good lord. You just have a different perspective on what defines a "future classic."

Maybe going to USC was part of the problem.

here comes the word nazi!!! 'perspective' is a way of regarding a situation while a 'standard' is a point of reference for comparison. i think 'standard' is the optimal word here. I use a different standard for what defines a future classic.
i'm sorry, what problem? you have a problem with my "perspective"?

Hmm, I'd have to disagree there. Both are better than the Matrix in my opinion. The only Matrix film that really has a chance is the original, and I don't even think that one will, as much as I love it.

For me, Lost In Translation.

Every single movie released in the 21st century (including 2000) so far, pales in comparison IMO.

I could watch, talk about, think about, and analyze this film forever if I wanted to.

Lord of the Rings, Kill Bill, and Passion of the Christ.

While many of this year's Oscar winners will be scattered in the winds, PotC will triumph.

I didn't go to USC; what's the cause of my problem?

You can deflect the argument by making personal attacks all you want, but I'm quite sincere in my belief that films like The Son and Uzak will only grow in reputation in the future, while films like Kill Bill will in years hence only diminish in their reputations.

This is of course only my opinion, but I challenge anyone here to argue it's neither valid nor learned. The fact that you disagree with it is meaningless.

i dont think kill bill will make it. for at least the same reason fight club, the hulk, and requiem for a dream won't.

these are all highly stylized movies. fight club goes without saying, the hulk is edited to feel like a comic book and requiem for a dream, you can't blink or you'll miss a scene.

kill bill is interestingly put together, but i think the style - particularly the battle with the 88s and o-ren's prologue will detract long term.

all of these are sort of 'mtv-generation' movies.

i think in the end, story will beat out style every time. you could argue citizen kane, for example, is quite stylized. but i think that's different.

while i like or love the movies i mentioned (yes, i like the hulk's style), i don't see any reason to believe such things help a move wear well.

if anyone has evidence of otherwise, by all means share

(this notes of course, 'stylized editing' is diff in the 60s as it is in the 00's)

yep, just like Tolkien's books have lost popularity

And the fact that you replied to a post that didn't concern you shows a good head on your shoulders too.

Calling me a Nazi... yikes. Interesting "comparison."


No. Read again. I have a problem with your "standard."

This is a public forum. People respond to posts that don't "concern" them all the time.

Keep telling yourself that.

How is that any different from what Cygnet74 wrote in post #39 sure he added a ?

The issue I see is some posters suffer from illusions of grandeur thinking their opinion is any more valid than other posters. Some are even pompous enough to consider their opinions to be a 'standard'. What a riot!

Anyway, you're correct in that "The fact that someone disagrees with another's opinion is meaningless."

exactly. I posted a list that immediately came under fire from posters that felt they knew better. since then I've simply been trying to offer reasons why I listed those films.

also, a 'standard' is merely a basis for comparison, not an ideal. you seem to think it has some sort of elitist connotation.

A 'standard' is An acknowledged measure of comparison for quantitative or qualitative value

There is nothing acknowledged about your opinion, other than it is your perspective on what constitutes quality in films.

The only reason you offer is

Originally Posted by Cygnet74
The implication becomes your opinion is equated {to an acknowledged measure of comparison for quantitative or qualitative value} that is different from other posters here. You then explain the difference as being (I'd expect to see films that "hold up" after twenty years or so).

You end the reason with an attempt of getting a halo-efffect, by listing other great films that have already stood the test of time.(The Seventh Seal, Wild Strawberries, Umberto D., Ikiru, Diary of a Country Priest, Tokyo Story )

I think "relevance" is one majorly acknowledged standard, whether that be relevance to social, political, human, or spiritual concerns, this relevence is timeless.

anyway, I never said I was giving a reason why my list is THE correct list. I just tried to qualify why my list meets MY standard of relevance to the international film community for a future classic because one day they will have the same influence that something by bergman or ozu has had.

Judging from my perspective, the USC Cheerleading Squad should be the standard by which all other cheerleading squads are measured.

Off-topic:
Twilight Samurai (Japan - 2002) - great samurai films seem to have a long shelf life
Oldboy (South Korea - 2003) - one of the best "revenge" movies in the history of cinema?
City of God (Brazil - 2002) - terrific on many levels, and also a film that best exemplifies the effective use of the rapid-fire style of editing currently in vogue

And since the term "Nazi" has come up in this discussion, has anyone here seen the Oscar-nominated Der Untergang (aka The Downfall)? If so, do you think it might qualify for inclusion in this discussion? I get the sense from reviews that it might lean that way.

Which reminds me, I'll also add The Pianist (2002) to my previous list of films that I think will stand the test of time.

IMO, not the best, but EASILY the most detailed.

I was wondering if Moulin Rouge was a possibility, but it does have that fast editing and style you're talking about.

I rewatched Kaurismaki's The Man Without a Past the other day, and I should definitely have included it on my list. And I also should have listed Dogville. A film for the ages.

The 25th Hour
In America
The Bourne Identity
Elf
Spider-Man 2
Collateral
Master and Commander: TFSOFTW
Super Troopers
Finding Nemo
Monsters Inc.
LotR: FotR

supertroopers? you're joking right?

elf, nah. will ferrel hasn't done anything memorable yet. and master/commander will probably just go gently into that good night.

The first half of Super Troopers is comedy at its finest. There are several classic comedies out there that falter here and there, but they are still remembered.

Elf gets better w/ each additional viewing. It is now a Christmas staple along w/ Christmas Vacation.

Master and Commander will age very well, imo.

It's been mentioned by a few, and I agree that Lost In Translation is at the top of the list. If I could pick just one film of this decade so far that I believe will be looked back on and remembered in 20, 30, 40, even 50 years from now, LiT would be the one.

Nothing in the film that is in any way important to the film is exclusive to it's time period, the themes are those which will apply in any time period, and when it comes down to it, I just view it as a film that will only get better with time. There are many people who either haven't even seen it yet, or those who do not like it as of right now. In time, the more it'll be around and the more people view it, the more people will really "get it".

Another one, while it's not as an extreme case as LiT (although it is my favorite film of all time), is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. I think that one will be remembered for a very, very long time, and like LiT, people will take to it more as the years go by.