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01-20-05, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
Also it does not use the success of Rio Bravo to sell the film, like the remake of Assault does. To me the original Assault is not an "official" remake.
Rogue is hardly piggybacking off a 28 YEAR OLD MOVIE to sell this new incarnation.
The "original" ASSAULT was a remake too. I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but it's clear this thread isn't getting into your brain.
Let us help, Josh.
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01-20-05, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
Between this & your posts in the Elektra thread you come across as a kid trying trying to act like some big movie afiocianado & yet you make statements that make NO sense at all & show you have no clue about movies, despite claiming elsewhere that you've seen every classic domestic & foreign movie that exists. You say you hate remakes yet love the original Assault, which in itself is a remake of a movie that you don't seem to know about, & then you say you won't see this movie b/c it's "a dumb-downed, no balls version of the original". How on earth could you know this if you haven't seen it? And you love the Punisher & Elektra movies which is are as cliched & watered down tripe with absolutely no cohesive stories or dialogue "or balls".
Let me say this again, the original Assault was a remake to a point, it was inspired by Rio Bravo and a bevy of other westerns, but was it a remake, not really. For one thing, it didn't use the success of Rio Bravo to sell the film, it was not an official remake. Would you say Kill Bill is a remake of Lady Snowblood? By your rational you could say it is, but it isn't, it's INSPIRED by Lady Snowblood and Once Upon a Time in the West.
Yeah, I like Punisher and Elektra, because to me they did the comics proud and entertained me very much. If you have a problem with it, well, man that's your problem, I'll be sitting here watchin ole Frank hack up some mafia bastards.
And no I won't see this remake, because I don't want to. I see no room for improvement, has the original is a atmospheric, gritty, and hardcore action film, to me it's a perfect film.
01-20-05, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
Wow, you have such a grasp of who I am and what I've seen!
By all the comments below & before I certainly have a grasp on what little you know, as others as well have pointed out.
Let me say this again, the original Assault was a remake to a point, it was inspired by Rio Bravo and a bevy of other westerns, but was it a remake, not really.
For one thing, it didn't use the success of Rio Bravo to sell the film, it was not an official remake.
Would you say Kill Bill is a remake of Lady Snowblood? By your rational you could say it is, but it isn't, it's INSPIRED by Lady Snowblood and Once Upon a Time in the West.
Yeah, I like Punisher and Elektra, because to me they did the comics proud and entertained me very much.
And no I won't see this remake, because I don't want to. I see no room for improvement, has the original is a atmospheric, gritty, and hardcore action film, to me it's a perfect film.
And let me tell you man, I HATE this out of control remake trend. But I will actually see a movie before I judge it. While most remakes are dreadful, they can also be incredible & just fun sometimes. The remake of the Thing (another Carpent movie, that somehow you don't like) is my all-time favorite horror movie. Your points just make no sense, you just sound like a kid trying to act like he is so cool b/c he's seen the original version of a movie & now he'll act like he is too good for a remake. But the director of the movie you love so much isn't too good for it. He loved the Assault remake. And I guaranty your DVD collection contains more remakes than the only two remakes ever that you claim to enjoy.
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01-20-05, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
I'm not going to see it, because I know that it's just a dumb-downed, no balls version of the original. Why bother when I have the hardcore old school original?
Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
I hate to see this type of classic get thrown into the Hollywood blender and be churned out has a MTV music video
The new one has more balls than I expected. It was pretty good actually, and I (being completely out of the loop apparently) didn't even realize that was Ja-Rule until the end credits. I do sometimes get annoyed when a director places a rapper (or another musician) in a movie just to draw another crowd, but Ja Rule doesn't intrude on the enjoyment of the movie. Example: For some reason, Busta Rhymes in finding forrester always bothered me, he wasn't terrible, but it was just out of place.
If you don't want to go see it, fine, but don't boycott it on the grounds it sucks unless you have first hand knowledge that it sucks. If you do you will force us to lump you in with the people who boycotted Dogma for its anti-catholicism without ever having seen it.
My $.02...
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01-20-05, 10:30 PM
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I love Carpenter, but I think the original is overrated. The score kicked ass, and the movie did have the balls to
. But the general execution of the premise was often pretty weak, IMO. The direction isn't up to Carpenter's best, and some of the acting is lacking. The nonstop hourde of people busting through the windows and getting shot one-by-one is great in a zombie movie or a video game, but here it just seemed ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the movie and it has some great elements, but it's hardly the untouchable masterpiece some consider it to be.
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Couldn't agree with you more, probably b/c I only saw the original recently, and after hearing how great it was I was a little puzzled. I did enjoy it; I'm guessing that if I would have been a fan earlier, I may be more of a fan now.
Example: I love Carpenter's prince of darkness, i watch it every halloween, it is one of my top 5 scariest films, but I rarely share it with new people anymore, because most people think it is dumb. Even in college, I used to find the occasional person who enjoyed it, but no longer.
I really enjoyed the new one. there were plot holes, but there always are. I thought the action scenes wer good though...
01-20-05, 10:41 PM
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At least this time it actually took place at Precint 13... 
I enjoyed it. Of course, the Carpenter film cant be touched, but it was still a decent film.
I enjoyed it. Of course, the Carpenter film cant be touched, but it was still a decent film.
01-20-05, 10:48 PM
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I agree with most of what has been said - "Assault on Precinct 13" had its share of plot holes, but it had better-than-average characterization for an action movie, some unexpected twists, and yes, a "ballsy" willingness to kill off characters that we don't want to see killed off.
Sessa, I agree with almost everything you said - except I liked the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" remake. That and "Precinct 13" are two similar situations - the originals are low-budget but inspired films that manage to capture lightning in a bottle and have a rough, gritty, authentic power that has made them both classics of their respective genres. The remakes, in both cases, are well-done, slicker versions of the originals' format (same goes for the "Dawn of the Dead" remake). None of these remakes are better than the originals, but they're still valuable, because it's clear that their makers have a genuine respect for what Carpenter, Romero, and Hooper accomplished.
Now here's hoping they don't screw up "The Fog," one of my all-time favorite movies...
Sessa, I agree with almost everything you said - except I liked the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" remake. That and "Precinct 13" are two similar situations - the originals are low-budget but inspired films that manage to capture lightning in a bottle and have a rough, gritty, authentic power that has made them both classics of their respective genres. The remakes, in both cases, are well-done, slicker versions of the originals' format (same goes for the "Dawn of the Dead" remake). None of these remakes are better than the originals, but they're still valuable, because it's clear that their makers have a genuine respect for what Carpenter, Romero, and Hooper accomplished.
Now here's hoping they don't screw up "The Fog," one of my all-time favorite movies...
01-20-05, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Allred
This remake commits a criminal sin, one that every movie should desperately avoid. It bored me. I found myself looking at my watch constantly throughout it's duration. I didnt find a single character to root for or against. There was no tension to speak of, mostly because of the change in plot - instead of the faceless/mindless horde in the original, the remake's bad guys are explained to us, there's no mystery or fear of death. The remake makes us think that if you can work out a deal, you can make it out alive whereas the original gave the characters no hope at all.
Wow, i wasn't bored, and I don't think many others in the theater were either.
The crowd laughed out loud more than a few times, and I thought the action was done well. I think explaining the bad guys motives show them as cold, and willing to kill everyone. No one had a chance to make a deal.
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I agree there is no mystery, but I thought the motives made up for it.
Originally Posted by Michael Allred
While Laurence Fishburne is a fine actor, his character is no Napoleon. Yeah, we're *told* he's a cold blooded killer, unfortunately we're not given a reason to genuinely *believe* it.
I thought the open scene established LF as cold blooded, and while Napoleon was a bad ass, he was also a little comical. I didn't think LF was comical at all, making him a little more badass.
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The setting is also poor, the original clearly pointed out just how desolate and empty the area around precinct 13 was. The remake? I was expecting a pizza delivery man to show up by mistake "Oops! Wrong address!" *blam blam!*
I thought the setting was less desolete, you're right, but the snowstorm made up for it being basically on the wrong side of the tracks.
Originally Posted by Michael Allred
I didn't see any chemistry between the cast, the supporting players seemed to exist only to annoy the audience.
some of the supporting characters got on my nerves, but Drea de Matteo and Maria Bello were good (and may I also add hot). Drea was much better than expected, but I guess the sopranos isn't you run of the mill TV show, it does require some real acting.
Originally Posted by Michael Allred
I was gravely disappointed with the remake. Obviously I loved the original and make no mistake, I am very open minded when it comes to remakes but this one failed miserably.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one...
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01-20-05, 11:03 PM
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If I saw the remake, will that take away from seeing the original? Anyone see both and can do a comparison without giving any away? I am wondering if I should get this cheap...
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01-21-05, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
By all the comments below & before I certainly have a grasp on what little you know, as others as well have pointed out.
A remake to a point? You have no clue what you are talking about, Carpenter himself says that Assault is HIS remaking of Rio Bravo as an ode to his favorite director. That is the very definition of a remake.
Using the success of an original movie is not all that makes a movie a remake, it's what spearheads a marketing gimmick. You honestly believe that just b/c the original Assault isn't called "Rio Bravo" that means it's not a remake?
Same with OUATITW. Kill Bill is not a remake it's an cluster of homages in an Tarantino's own original script. Carpenter set out to make his interpritation of one of his favorite films.
I have no problem that you like them, that's cool. It's your childish grade-school logic (or lack there of) & contradictions that are annoying. You say you won't see the Assault remake b/c it's "a dumb-downed, no balls version of the original", yet one; you haven't seen it to know that & two: Punisher & Elektra are as dumb as you get, especially Elektra with a plot that makes no sense, they explain nothing in that movie yet you can enjoy them. And you had to see them to make your decision, so maybe you should see the Assault remake before you called it a a dumb-downed, no balls version of the original. And again, if you actually did read the Elektra source material , you would know it does not do the comics proud.
Yet you you see & enjoy one of the most unneccessary remakes of all-time in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. A movie in which the original nearly any true film fan would consider flawless, one of the most original, atmospheric, gritty & hardcore films ever created, that many critics consider to be the greatest horror film ever made. Your reasoning makes no sense.
And let me tell you man, I HATE this out of control remake trend. But I will actually see a movie before I judge it. While most remakes are dreadful, they can also be incredible & just fun sometimes. The remake of the Thing (another Carpent movie, that somehow you don't like) is my all-time favorite horror movie. Your points just make no sense, you just sound like a kid trying to act like he is so cool b/c he's seen the original version of a movie & now he'll act like he is too good for a remake. But the director of the movie you love so much isn't too good for it. He loved the Assault remake. And I guaranty your DVD collection contains more remakes than the only two remakes ever that you claim to enjoy.
A remake to a point? You have no clue what you are talking about, Carpenter himself says that Assault is HIS remaking of Rio Bravo as an ode to his favorite director. That is the very definition of a remake.
Using the success of an original movie is not all that makes a movie a remake, it's what spearheads a marketing gimmick. You honestly believe that just b/c the original Assault isn't called "Rio Bravo" that means it's not a remake?
Same with OUATITW. Kill Bill is not a remake it's an cluster of homages in an Tarantino's own original script. Carpenter set out to make his interpritation of one of his favorite films.
I have no problem that you like them, that's cool. It's your childish grade-school logic (or lack there of) & contradictions that are annoying. You say you won't see the Assault remake b/c it's "a dumb-downed, no balls version of the original", yet one; you haven't seen it to know that & two: Punisher & Elektra are as dumb as you get, especially Elektra with a plot that makes no sense, they explain nothing in that movie yet you can enjoy them. And you had to see them to make your decision, so maybe you should see the Assault remake before you called it a a dumb-downed, no balls version of the original. And again, if you actually did read the Elektra source material , you would know it does not do the comics proud.
Yet you you see & enjoy one of the most unneccessary remakes of all-time in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. A movie in which the original nearly any true film fan would consider flawless, one of the most original, atmospheric, gritty & hardcore films ever created, that many critics consider to be the greatest horror film ever made. Your reasoning makes no sense.
And let me tell you man, I HATE this out of control remake trend. But I will actually see a movie before I judge it. While most remakes are dreadful, they can also be incredible & just fun sometimes. The remake of the Thing (another Carpent movie, that somehow you don't like) is my all-time favorite horror movie. Your points just make no sense, you just sound like a kid trying to act like he is so cool b/c he's seen the original version of a movie & now he'll act like he is too good for a remake. But the director of the movie you love so much isn't too good for it. He loved the Assault remake. And I guaranty your DVD collection contains more remakes than the only two remakes ever that you claim to enjoy.
Here...
You are clueless man, those examples don't even make sense. Lady Snowblood inspired ONE character in the movie & he used some music for that scene.
Christ your anal retentive...you really do need to chill out man. Getting all pent up over another fella's opinions is just a foolish way to spend time. Go outside, take a walk, sniff a dog...whatever, but just get the fuck off my case.
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01-21-05, 04:10 AM
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I saw this on Thursday and enjoyed it quite a bit. It wasn't a masterpiece, but what do you expect from a January release?
It was good mindless entertainment.
Plus, Maria Bello looked good in it...despite the fact that she's flatter than a board.
I give this 2.5 out of 4 stars.
It was good mindless entertainment.
Plus, Maria Bello looked good in it...despite the fact that she's flatter than a board.
I give this 2.5 out of 4 stars.
01-21-05, 08:43 AM
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It was okay. I definitely do not feel I wasted my time, but it was nothing special. Just entertaining, which is okay. 2 Things:
1. Ethan Hawke should not be getting leading roles. He is nothing special as an actor and he was probably the worst part of the movie
2. Was the one girl (from the Sopranos I think) once a man? She if one fugly lady.
1. Ethan Hawke should not be getting leading roles. He is nothing special as an actor and he was probably the worst part of the movie
2. Was the one girl (from the Sopranos I think) once a man? She if one fugly lady.
01-21-05, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
Have you even seen Lady Snowblood? It's basically the same movie just a different setting and virtually no budget. Get a grip man.
Christ your anal retentive...you really do need to chill out man. Getting all pent up over another fella's opinions is just a foolish way to spend time. Go outside, take a walk, sniff a dog...whatever, but just get the fuck off my case.
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01-21-05, 10:11 AM
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Plus, Maria Bello looked good in it...despite the fact that she's flatter than a board.
01-21-05, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ivelostr2
Wow, i wasn't bored, and I don't think many others in the theater were either.
The crowd laughed out loud more than a few times, and I thought the action was done well. I think explaining the bad guys motives show them as cold, and willing to kill everyone. No one had a chance to make a deal.
I agree there is no mystery, but I thought the motives made up for it.
The crowd laughed out loud more than a few times, and I thought the action was done well. I think explaining the bad guys motives show them as cold, and willing to kill everyone. No one had a chance to make a deal.
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I agree there is no mystery, but I thought the motives made up for it.
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I thought the open scene established LF as cold blooded, and while Napoleon was a bad ass, he was also a little comical. I didn't think LF was comical at all, making him a little more badass.
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I thought the setting was less desolete, you're right, but the snowstorm made up for it being basically on the wrong side of the tracks.
some of the supporting characters got on my nerves, but Drea de Matteo and Maria Bello were good (and may I also add hot). Drea was much better than expected, but I guess the sopranos isn't you run of the mill TV show, it does require some real acting.
I wasn't gravely disappointed, I (as you can tell) enjoyed it. I do enjoy the original as well, but not as much as many people on this board. I know you say that you love of the original isn't coulding your judgement but i think it may have. I completely understand that; I'm not saying that with any disdain; I have been there, but not htis time...
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one...
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one...
Trust me when I say my judgement wasn't clouded. I was looking forward to seeing this quite a bit actually. I was let down big time.
01-21-05, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Allred
I don't see how the opening scene established him as a cold blooded killer as
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01-22-05, 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Allred
No one had a chance to make a deal?
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I think thenew circumstancs were worse than the original, because the people on the inside know the party "assualting" them was coming until they were all dead, in the original the people in the precinct keep hoping they were gonna go away after each assualt.
01-22-05, 05:11 AM
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Especially to QuiGonJosh:
I don't consider the original Assault to be a remake either. If anyone has got to use the word remake in that case, they should attach the word "loose" before it. I prefer to call it "inspired by" Rio Bravo.
I don't consider the original Assault to be a remake either. If anyone has got to use the word remake in that case, they should attach the word "loose" before it. I prefer to call it "inspired by" Rio Bravo.
01-22-05, 04:13 PM
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Aside from some of the worst fake snow I've seen in a movie, this flick was HARD. I mean, it was gritty as shit....but that made it pretty damn sweet. It had great action, a fairly fast pace and I thought both Hawke and Fish did a great job. For just a balls out thrill ride, this Assault sure delivered.
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01-22-05, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
And I will never see this friggin remake. There are two remakes I like, Fistful of Dolars and Texas Chainsaw Massacre. That's it, I've said my peace, I'm done. 
Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
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01-22-05, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
My how desensitized we have become.
Somehow that is not the actions of a cold blooded killer? Plus, he didn't have to kill the guy, the character clearly is strong & smart enough to do plenty of other things to him.
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