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Old 12-28-04, 12:48 AM
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Think cell phones are annoying in theaters? Try a riot...

http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com...363/433421.stm

Teens mob Waterfront Loews; 8 charged
More action in cineplex lobby Saturday than on its screens
Tuesday, December 28, 2004

By Ed Blazina, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



It seems like an innocent holiday option: spending Christmas at the movie theater.

But if West Homestead police have their way, Loews Cineplex at The Waterfront shopping complex will be closed for the Easter and Christmas holidays next year after the theater had a "full-blown melee" Saturday night.

A spokesman for Loews said the company probably would prefer to take additional steps to provide security on holidays rather than close the complex.

West Homestead Police Chief Dave Ausburn said hundreds of unruly teens overran the theater complex early Christmas evening, disrupting patrons trying to watch movies and wreaking havoc in the massive lobby.

Extra police officers on duty as a result of previous holiday problems arrested eight juveniles for disorderly conduct, and one had a charge of assault added for a fight with another patron inside a theater. No one else was injured.

Because of the problems, which began about 6:30 p.m., the theater quit selling tickets about 9:30 p.m. and canceled eight shows, Ausburn said.

Customers who were turned away -- many of them teenagers who had been dropped off by adults and had no immediate ways to get home -- then began causing problems outside until police officers could gain control of the situation, he said.

"We thought we had things under control [by assigning extra officers], but then the theater was overrun," Ausburn said. "The kids just totally overran that theater."

Historically, he said, Christmas has been the most difficult day at the theater, followed by Easter. On a regular weekend, he has one officer paid by Loews to work at the theater to handle problems.

Last year, that was boosted to three officers on Christmas Day, Ausburn said, but they couldn't handle the crowds.

After meeting with Loews' corporate officials early this month, Ausburn said, the company and police decided to have 12 officers on duty from 4 p.m. to midnight, including two with police dogs. West Homestead opened the detail to officers from neighboring Homestead and Munhall so there would be enough officers available.

Officers were stationed at strategic points throughout the 22-screen complex, which opened in May 2000.

It wasn't enough.

"Early in the evening, we thought it was overkill [to have that many officers]," said Ausburn, who was on duty himself to oversee officers.

"But then they started coming about 6 to 6:30. We were outnumbered about 60 to 1. Prior to closing the doors, they simply overran the front doors. It was just a total melee in front of that theater."

In addition to dealing with patrons who arrived as much as an hour before their movie was to start, police had to go into individual auditoriums to settle unruly customers, Ausburn said. As soon as they settled one auditorium, they would be called to another.

"We actually had people cheering when we would remove people from the theater," he said. "People pay good money to go to the movies and they shouldn't have to put up with that."

Eventually, police closed the theater and moved the crowd across the street, where many had to wait outside for rides. Ausburn estimated there were 900 people escorted out of the theater lobby.

Lynn Mason, of Highland Park, said she was upset with the way police handled the situation.

A family friend dropped off her daughters, Tahsha, 14, and India, 13, to see the suspense movie "Darkness" about 7:45 p.m. When the movie they planned to see was sold out, she said, they decided to wait for a later show, but they were ushered out of the complex when police closed it down.

"They thought they were going to a movie, so they weren't prepared to be out in the cold," she said.

Mason said her daughters didn't see any fights or other problems except for the large crowd. Their ride eventually took them home without incident, she said.

John McCauley, senior vice president of marketing for Loews, said the company had shown its concern for safety by increasing the number of officers after previous problems.

The problems Saturday, he said, were caused by "a few patrons who chose to misbehave."

"It was a very unusual circumstance," he said. "Across the [country], that's not a situation we see. Unfortunately, it turned out not to be a very good movie experience because the actions of a few ruined it for the rest."

Ausburn said police are scheduled to meet with corporate security personnel for Loews on Jan. 5 to discuss the incident. He said he will "strongly encourage" the theater to remain closed in the future on Easter and Christmas.

Loews will do all it can to keep the theater complex open and safe for patrons, McCauley said.

"Usually, those are pretty good movie days," he said. "We feel very strongly about people who want to see the movie being able to see it when they want to and in safe circumstances. We're hopeful this unusual situation doesn't occur again."

At busy times such as holidays, McCauley encouraged patrons to buy tickets in advance by computer through the Fandango service, which would assure seats and show whether a time has been sold out without the customer going to the theater.

In other cities such as New York, he said, most tickets are sold online in advance, so customers know it would be difficult to buy them at the box office, which holds down the number of patrons waiting for the next show time.
Loews is probably the best overall theater in the Pittsburgh area, but it suffers from a location problem. It was built at a new trendy shopping area called the Waterfront on the old US Steel Works in Homestead, an extremely economically depressed urban area, but it caters to the neighboring middle/upper class area of Squirrel Hill which sits directly across the bridge and river.

At some showings, you have very different crowds seeing the films. Some are just there to enjoy it, while others are yelling at the screen. I'll never see a horror, action, or comedy film there anymore, unless it's an early matinee, since the chance of the audience talking is extremely high there. I do always remember hearing this shouted during the first X-Men: "Yo, that my boy Wolverine up there!"

It's a shame they built such a nice theater in such a bad neighborhood, but I guess the land was cheap.

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I go to this theater like 2 times a week, it is the best theater in the area, but I have had problems. I remember during the first resident evil, a woman had a baby less than 6 months old, and during the attack dog scene, when mila runs up the wall, she stood up and said "oh nun uh, no they dihint" I was pissed. And during both Hero and brotherhood of the wolf, I overheard people as they were leaving during the first 10 minutes loudly complain that, they "weren't paying for no tickets to read a movie." I usually just laugh at idiots, but this sounds bad. It's in a bad area, but i thought that it was beginning to overcome that image. That's too bad somehing like this would happen...
It is undoubtedly the best theater in the area, but I'm glad I didn't take my neice there on Christmas day, i might have had to beat someone's ass...
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Was only a matter of time, I suppose. In the past I always went to the Mall of America to watch movies. After seeing fights almost breakout on multiple occasions, I stopped going there. That sort of ruins the movie-going experience for me...
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"Yo, that my boy Wolverine up there!"


Freaking hilarious!!!
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And that, along with outrageous ticket prices and DVDs, is why I stopped going to the movies years ago. I just recently started going again.

I've got 2 AMC Theaters in my area. One in Rolling Hills that's like 10+ minutes away depending on traffic and the closest one that is 5 minutes away in the South Bay Galleria Mall. Most of the time I avoid the Galleria AMC unless it's early in the day or I've got no other choice for showtimes.

Why you ask? It's to close Hawthorne. Hawthorne has a large number of minorities. I'm black but I -hate- going to the movies when young black smartass hip hop muther fuckers, gang members(any race) and low life Latino Hoodlums are present. The Rolling Hills AMC is much nicer in terms of its audience.

The extra times spent driving to Rolling Hills is worth it for my peace of mind.....

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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
I'm black
So it's YOU who's loud when I'm watching movies?!? YOU need to knock that off.

That story is pretty funny. I've seen some loud pesky kids at the movies. But can't say that I've seen a melee. Sounds FUN.
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
And that, along with outrageous ticket prices and DVDs, is why I stopped going to the movies years ago. I just recently started going again.

I've got 2 AMC Theaters in my area. One in Rolling Hills that's like 10+ minutes away depending on traffic and the closest one that is 5 minutes away in the South Bay Galleria Mall. Most of the time I avoid the Galleria AMC unless it's early in the day or I've got no other choice for showtimes.

Why you ask? It's to close Hawthorne. Hawthorne has a large number of minorities. I'm black but I -hate- going to the movies when young black smartass hip hop muther fuckers, gang members(any race) and low life Latino Hoodlums are present. The Rolling Hills AMC is much nicer in terms of its audience.

The extra times spent driving to Rolling Hills is worth it for my peace of mind.....
I live in Torrance, and agree... Rolling hills is much better.

If you really want to enjoy the film, try going another five minutes to the Regal on the top of the hill... There are hardly ever any crowds and the audience is very polite. The "rowdy" teenagers come out at night on the weekends, but they are actually quite funny. They try to act like punks until they get within five feet away, then they revert to "Oh, excuse me, sir."
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This happened a couple years ago here. A local theater launched their new online ticketing service at the same time that The Mummy Returns was opening. There was a snafu, and they ended up overbooked, and had to turn people away (with refunds). Anyway, this apparently wasn't good enough and a riot ensued.

Now, I've seen The Mummy Returns and if anybody should have been rioting it was the people who actually got in.
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Originally Posted by cdollaz
"Yo, that my boy Wolverine up there!"


Freaking hilarious!!!
Sorry, I got excited.
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I have never been scared of a fight in a theater. Even at the Ontario Mills AMC which isn't the best crowd... everyone seems to stick to themselves. Of course there are the noisy ones... but not anything like this... ever. The worst was Halloween: H20 though... there was a huge audience... the theater was sold out, and everyone was yelling at the screen. It actually makes for an interesting experience.
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Originally Posted by troystiffler
So it's YOU who's loud when I'm watching movies?!? YOU need to knock that off.

That story is pretty funny. I've seen some loud pesky kids at the movies. But can't say that I've seen a melee. Sounds FUN.

Awe shut up. Everyone knows there ain't no Brothahs and Sistahs in Arizona. Just because we came from Africa that doesn't mean we still like living in a hot ass dry weather.

You must be hearing Mexicans or Indians... or worse, "wiggers".

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Originally Posted by Luka
I live in Torrance, and agree... Rolling hills is much better.

If you really want to enjoy the film, try going another five minutes to the Regal on the top of the hill... There are hardly ever any crowds and the audience is very polite. The "rowdy" teenagers come out at night on the weekends, but they are actually quite funny. They try to act like punks until they get within five feet away, then they revert to "Oh, excuse me, sir."

I'll have to check that'n out.
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I guess my city didn't want to be left out on this new Christmas Day movie/fight tradition:

http://www.herald-review.com/article...ws/1004816.txt
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Originally Posted by C-Mart
The worst was Halloween: H20 though... there was a huge audience... the theater was sold out, and everyone was yelling at the screen. It actually makes for an interesting experience.
When I went to see this movie, there was a group of idiot teen girls screaming at the 'scary' parts, which really pissed me off. They weren't screaming because they were scared, they were just being annoying
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<---- Refuses to go to movies in Black neighborhoods. I hate to say but it's true. I will never understand why some of us have trouble staying quiet during a movie. Besides I never like feeling like I need to carry a gun to go see a damn movie because you never know what is going to happen.

I'm glad I was able to work overtime and save up to buy my widescreen a few years back now I'll just wait until movies come out on DVD.
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Here in Pompano Beach (suburb of Ft. Lauderdale), there is a beautiful Muvico theater 18. Here in south Florida, Muvico is the cadillac of theaters. Each one is state of the art and has a different theme (Muvico Paradise, Muvico Parisian, Muvico Palace). The one in Pompano is just called Pompani 18, but is modeled after a 1950s-style drive-in theater. Benches in lobby look like the back seats of '57 Chevys, etc. Anyways, such a gorgeous theater is built near the ghetto, and the same damned problems are there every weekend night that I go. Tonight I went to see "A Very Long Engagement," the French-language war romance with Audrey Tautou. Long movie. At about the two hour mark a young black couple with a toddler noisily make their way all the way up to the top row. They make at least ten people get up so they can get right in the middle of the row seated right next to other people, even though there are plenty of empty seats at ends of every row. Then they proceed to tear apart what seemed like a dozen candy boxes. And immediately begin talking to each other in a normal speaking voice. I shushed them from all the way over at the other end of the auditorium. They didn't get the hint. People from all around are turning their heads and staring at them, yet them continue to just talk. Then the toddler begins yelling and crying, and they don't fucking do anything but sit there. I got up and walked over to them and asked them to respect others around and stop talking. They just looked at me with expressionless faces and didn't say a word. After I sat back down again, they started talking again. You could hear it everywhere in the theater. They were obviously killing time for another film to start, yet instead of sitting in the front of the auditorium or staying in the damned lobby (like any decent, intelligent person would, considering they had a baby), they come in and disrupt the whole rest of the film for everyone. So, the last twenty minutes of the film were basically ruined for me. After I invested two hours. This is one of dozens of like-incidents that occur at this theater, mainly on weekend nights. I try to catch films during the week or a Friday matinee, but sometimes all I can make are weekend nights. I hate to say it (but I will), but it seems like so many minorities have such poor etiquette and manners. My neighbor works for Publix supermarkets down here. They are the leaders in customer satisfaction for supermarkets in Florida. Truely a wonderful grocery store chain where it seems that employees actually enjoy working there. Very customer service oriented, thus their reputation is very good. My neighbor tells me that recently, the chain is being pressured to hire more minorites. Since it's happened, customer complains and feedback has been troublingly negative. For example, at the deli counter, regular customers complain that the black girls that are now working there are unfriendly, never crack a smile, and are not very helpful. This is flying directly in the face of what Publix is known for: customer satisfaction. It's a shame that they are having to lose credibility with customers just in order to appease pressure groups into hiring based on quotas. I realize that this post may come off as a bit racist, but that is just the honest truth. And they wonder why people don't want to buy houses close to their neighborhoods or frequent establishments where the majority of workers/customers are minority.
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"We thought we had things under control [by assigning extra officers], but then the theater was overrun," Ausburn said. "The kids just totally overran that theater."
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Originally Posted by Sir_Fireboard
When I went to see this movie, there was a group of idiot teen girls screaming at the 'scary' parts, which really pissed me off. They weren't screaming because they were scared, they were just being annoying
Ironically, I saw Halloween: H20 on it's opening weekend... and there was nobody in the theater besides my mom and I. Now I knew the film was a piece of shit, but I would've been more entertained if a bunch of idiot teenage girls were screaming through out it.
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You went to a movie, opening weekend, with your mother?
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She did bring him into this world you know.
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*Ring* *Ring*

"Yeah....wassup, I'm watchin a movie yo. You gotta see this shit!"

--some guy behind me during Theoden's death scene in RoTK
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Originally Posted by Tarnower
Here in Pompano Beach (suburb of Ft. Lauderdale), there is a beautiful Muvico theater 18.
Is this the one off Sample and Federal? If so, I've been there and you just ain't whistling Dixie. I saw Bruce Almighty there when it first came out and I. WILL. NEVER. GO. TO. THAT. THEATER. AGAIN.

Now, if you're talking about the Muvico Premiere in Boca Raton, what with the $17 balcony seats with nobody under 21 allowed, huge leather recliners, free popcorn and valet parking, and [SATIRE]"no negroes or latinos to be found anywhere"[/SATIRE].... I've got a Perry Como album with your name on it!

And are you honestly trying to say they're turning Publix into Winn-Dixie?!
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Originally Posted by Rivero
*Ring* *Ring*

"Yeah....wassup, I'm watchin a movie yo. You gotta see this shit!"

--some guy behind me during Theoden's death scene in RoTK
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Is this the one off Sample and Federal? If so, I've been there and you just ain't whistling Dixie. I saw Bruce Almighty there when it first came out and I. WILL. NEVER. GO. TO. THAT. THEATER. AGAIN.

Now, if you're talking about the Muvico Premiere in Boca Raton, what with the $17 balcony seats with nobody under 21 allowed, huge leather recliners, free popcorn and valet parking, and [SATIRE]"no negroes or latinos to be found anywhere"[/SATIRE].... I've got a Perry Como album with your name on it!

And are you honestly trying to say they're turning Publix into Winn-Dixie?!
This is off Copans and Federal Hwy. And the Muvico in Boca Raton is actually called the Palace. The Premiere is the swanky uppper level where you can view every film from a lush balcony seat, sip coctails at their nightclub, and fine dine at their fancy restaurant. The whole lower level is regular. This is without a doubt the finest movie theatre I've ever been to. It's about $1 more than most other theatres, but well worth it. Also, I don't think Publix can ever get down to the level of Winn Dixie, but I'm sure that Publix's incredible success and market dominance is being viewed as "unfair" by many groups and want the playing field "leveled." A shame, since such a successful company is not able to make decisions that keep it at the same level it always has been.
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Originally Posted by Tarnower
I shushed them from all the way over at the other end of the auditorium. They didn't get the hint. People from all around are turning their heads and staring at them, yet them continue to just talk. Then the toddler begins yelling and crying, and they don't fucking do anything but sit there. I got up and walked over to them and asked them to respect others around and stop talking. They just looked at me with expressionless faces and didn't say a word. After I sat back down again, they started talking again. You could hear it everywhere in the theater. They were obviously killing time for another film to start, yet instead of sitting in the front of the auditorium or staying in the damned lobby (like any decent, intelligent person would, considering they had a baby), they come in and disrupt the whole rest of the film for everyone. So, the last twenty minutes of the film were basically ruined for me. After I invested two hours. .
Oh, no way, I would've asked them to be quiet ONCE, then gone to get theater staff. Staff doesn't want to intervene? Ask to speak to the manager. Manager doesn't want to intervene? Get his name, and write corporate. In the meantime, ask for your money back. When the movie gets out, start advising fellow patrons to do the same. If enough people ask for their movie back, management might pay better attention.

Couple of years ago, I was with friends at a theater in Woodinville, near Seattle, and a bunch of junior-high early-teens (all white, not that it matters...) were sitting at the back of our theater during The Last Samurai. They were calling stuff out, throwing popcorn, etc. My friend got up, went and complained, and someone not only came in and hauled out the kids, but afterwards my friend asked for our money back (because it took them too long to do something) and got free ticket passes.

I've been to that multiplex for several movies, and noticed that the whole place has a lot of similar problems to some of the stories mentioned, in that it seems like they have an above average number of kids being dropped off, without supervision. The father who dropped off some of the kids hauled out of our theater, he actually had the nerve to stand in the lobby and yell about how management didn't have a right to kick his kids out, never appearing to CARE how they'd messed up the movie for others! We stood there watching him and thinking, what a loser: you can't teach basic manners to your kids, so when the consequences for those bad manners come back to bite you all, you blame someone else.

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