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orangeguy 11-07-04 08:19 PM

Reasons why Red Dawn did not work
 
I just got through watching Red Dawn on tv and I have to say this was the worst movie. Here's why:

1. Our Military would not leave a bunch of High school kids to fight a war for us.
2. These kids had No Training at all so how could they be that good.
3. No part of this movie is even believable.
4. why didn't they just hide in the woods?

TopHatCat64 11-07-04 08:26 PM

Re: Reasons why Red Dawn did not work
 

Originally posted by orangeguy
I just got through watching Red Dawn on tv and I have to say this was the worst movie. Here's why:

1. Our Military would not leave a bunch of High school kids to fight a war for us.
2. These kids had No Training at all so how could they be that good.
3. No part of this movie is even believable.
4. why didn't they just hide in the woods?

The answer to all: it was made in the 80's and it stars Patrick Swayze :p

SPiRAL 11-07-04 08:42 PM

I still think this movie rules! Wolveriiiiiiiiines !!!

MSD 11-07-04 08:52 PM

Great movie! :thumbsup:

Joem 11-07-04 08:55 PM

Re: Re: Reasons why Red Dawn did not work
 

Originally posted by TopHatCat64
The answer to all: it was made in the 80's and it stars Patrick Swayze :p
Three words: Next of Kin. ;)

Mondo Kane 11-07-04 09:00 PM

C'mon, this movie rules. Proof:

-C. Thomas Howell wears a "Star Wars" cap and becomes a (literally) cold-blooded killer
- Ron (Superfly) O'Neal is a convincing Russian/Cuban
-One of the Wolverines goes by the name of "Aardvark"
-Lea Thompson fires a mean machine-gun
-Harry Dean Stanton freaks me out ("AVENNNNNGE MEEE!")

Jackskeleton 11-07-04 09:04 PM

This is one of those films you have to watch without much logic.

bhk 11-07-04 09:11 PM

I remember when this first came out, spokesman for the USSR told the press that this movie didn't help tensions between the US and the Soviet Union.

Hokeyboy 11-07-04 09:14 PM

Wow... it's 1984 all over again! :thumbsup:

Dr. DVD 11-07-04 09:15 PM

Wasn't this the first movie to get a PG-13 rating? I remember back then PG-13 really pushed the limit in terms of violence and PG films still had an edge to them.

In terms of the movie itself, it's a guilty pleasure. Plus, it was directed by John Milius, an admitted far right conservative to the best of my knowledge, and the same guy who made Conan the Barbarian.

Hulkabrgr 11-07-04 09:42 PM

I might be mistaken, but I think Dreamscape was the first pg-13 movie, followed by Red Dawn.

Mr. Salty 11-07-04 10:12 PM


Originally posted by Hulkabrgr
I might be mistaken, but I think Dreamscape was the first pg-13 movie, followed by Red Dawn.
You are mistaken. From IMDB:


Red Dawn was the first motion picture released with the PG-13 rating, which had been created after difficulty rating some movies in 1984, most notably Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984). (Flamingo Kid, The (1984) was the first film to be *given* a PG-13 rating, but sat on the shelves for five months before being released.)

blindrocket 11-07-04 10:21 PM

Great flick!

devilshalo 11-07-04 10:23 PM

Given the fact that most of the kids had been taught to fire a rifle and hunt as well as knowing and defending their own turf, it's more believable than Ghostbusters.

Joe Molotov 11-07-04 10:27 PM

Re: Reasons why Red Dawn did not work
 

Originally posted by orangeguy
I just got through watching Red Dawn on tv and I have to say this was the worst movie. Here's why:

1. Our Military would not leave a bunch of High school kids to fight a war for us.
2. These kids had No Training at all so how could they be that good.
3. No part of this movie is even believable.
4. why didn't they just hide in the woods?

And? I mean true, it's not exactly the most plausible Cold War What-If scenario, but it's a fun, cheesy 80's action movie. There are movies that stretch plausibility far worse that Red Dawn.

devilshalo 11-07-04 11:02 PM

Re: Reasons why Red Dawn did not work
 

Originally posted by orangeguy
I just got through watching Red Dawn on tv and I have to say this was the worst movie. Here's why:

1. Our Military would not leave a bunch of High school kids to fight a war for us.

Our military did not depend on or know about the Wolverines. Did you not see the territories that were occupied by the Cubans and Russians?


Originally posted by orangeguy
2. These kids had No Training at all so how could they be that good.
These kids had knowledge of their own town and surrounding areas and were adept at hunting. Plus they gained more knowledge about tactics from Powers Boothe.


Originally posted by orangeguy
3. No part of this movie is even believable.
Neither is any part of your review


Originally posted by orangeguy
4. why didn't they just hide in the woods?
What part of the movie did you keep flipping the channels? The very first thing they did was hide in the woods. A majority of the movie takes place in the woods.

Trigger 11-07-04 11:08 PM

Re: Reasons why Red Dawn did not work
 

Originally posted by orangeguy
I just got through watching Red Dawn on tv and I have to say this was the worst movie. Here's why:

1. Our Military would not leave a bunch of High school kids to fight a war for us.

Our military DOES leave a bunch of high school kids to fight a war for us. In fact, they prefer em young.

Originally posted by orangeguy
2. These kids had No Training at all so how could they be that good.
Video games?

Originally posted by orangeguy
3. No part of this movie is even believable.
That's why it's a MOVIE and not the NEWS.

Originally posted by orangeguy
4. why didn't they just hide in the woods?
They had a better chance against the russians than they did on their own in the woods... didn't you see blair witch project?

scott shelton 11-07-04 11:12 PM

Re: Reasons why Red Dawn did not work
 

Originally posted by orangeguy
1. Our Military would not leave a bunch of High school kids to fight a war for us.

Isn't this happening right now in Iraq?

The Nature Boy 11-07-04 11:25 PM

This movie ruled!

DonnachaOne 11-07-04 11:32 PM

Ooh, Iraq comparisons! Har-har! Funny 'cause it's true, thanks George, you murderer...

I don't think the film works because the ending just... happens. It's abrupt and doesn't really conclude the story. Also, the idea of an impending Russian invasion isn't such an overhanging threat today, and I think the film depended a bit too much on the detente to create tension.

Also; Patrick Swayze as a high school boy.

In many respects, it does work. I wouldn't be surprised if that's roundabouts the way soviets would have orchestrated an attack on the US.



Note, while checking IMDb, I got this lovely summary from "The Net Warrior"...

A film depicting the invasion of the United States from the north and south by communist forces from Nicaragua and Russia in the beginning of WWIII and the efforts of partisans from a small mid-western town to turn back the invasion. This film is one of the basis of the beliefs of the citizens militias and patriot groups about the possiblity of a U.N. takeover of the U.S. The movie and the theory of the New World Order proposed by the militias are similar, invasion by a foreign force, a big gun grab, arrest of gun owners, military equipment being moved on railroads, enemy helicopters re-education facilities (concentration camps), and a citizen force that strikes back.
Oh, IMDb users, you tickle me!

darqleo 11-08-04 12:31 AM


Originally posted by Hulkabrgr
I might be mistaken, but I think Dreamscape was the first pg-13 movie, followed by Red Dawn.
Funny enough, as a kid we had to choose between these two movies for Family Movie Night. It ended up spliting our family in two: my brother and my Dad ended up going to see Red Dawn, while my Mom and I went to see Dreamscape. Anyway, ended up seeing Red Dawn a couple of weeks later, it was pretty cool when I saw it then, it's probably crappy if I watch it now. Ah, to be a young and innocent kid again. So jaded and picky now (when it comes to movies)....
:D

Mondo Kane 11-08-04 01:20 AM


Originally posted by DonnachaOne

Also; Patrick Swayze as a high school boy.

Didn't his character already graduate? I thought he was on his way to his job before all hell broke loose. Oh, and this also was the first movie that introduced me to RPGs (The weapon, not the game) great sound FX on 'em.

Gotta love those little performances by Ben Johnson and Powers Booth too!

Dr. DVD 11-08-04 07:59 AM

Any hope of a SE DVD with commentary by John Milius and maybe a guest one by George W. Bush! ;)

Geofferson 11-08-04 08:21 AM

Great movie! :up:

OldBoy 11-08-04 11:09 AM

This movie has and will remain one of my most favorite movies of all time! It got me to like Michigan football and the character "Wolverine" along with the other X-Men.


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