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DonnachaOne 04-23-06 02:08 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Molotov
(big ol' block of spoilers)

That's what I got from watching the movie, anyway.

As the old adage says, "hell is not knowing".
I was under the impression that
Spoiler:
The cult were dead and stuck in a purgatory/hell/limbo, denying the fact that they were damned, believing that their faith in (their version of) God protects them - I believe this is well-stressed. Rose and Sybil both died in their crashes, and The Demon automatically brings their souls into Foggy Silent Hill. They do not know that they died and therefore are in the same state as the cultists.

Where do their bodies go? I don't know. I assume that The Demon can manifest flesh and even make it vanish; after all, where does baby Sharon come from?

Considering the strong religious overtones, I took it like a play on The Trinity; Allessa is God, The Demon ("I have many names") is the (un)Holy Spirit and Sharon is Jesus, sent to our world as a "savior".


It may not have been the best flick, but damn it feels good to have a new movie to analyze and ponder at length.

coladar 04-23-06 03:23 AM

After thinking about it for several hours, I'm still confused by the ending.

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However, I tend to agree with DonnachaOne's interpretation over Joe Molotovs. First, I'm a huge fan of the games, played through several times, got the alien endings. So that agreement means the movie really strays from the games even moreso, but there's one big reason that I don't think they are alive. First, I don't think the ending was implying that the demon has now spread outside of Silent Hill. The demon was simply based on Alessa's vengeance, and her vengeance is now done. They've rejoined her to Sharon and Alessa is basically getting a second chance.

I think this was all a part of the master plan. Why make a good Sharon? To get the kind of mother Alessa should have had from the beginning. There is no other reason. Just making a random baby that has all of Alessa's "good" parts, long since lost, is illogical. The demon/Alessa had to have an endgame for it, and we watched it. They sent her out into the world, where she would get the good mother she wanted. Clearly the two form of a bond, and I think the reason the husband gets left out is because Alessa never had a father. So Alessa and the demon send out the good Sharon. They put a seed in her head, and when she reaches the same age as when Alessa died, it goes off and is simply a trap to lure the ideal mother to Silent Hill. They orchestrate things knowing that through this outsider they finally have a way to finish their vengeance that the cult's faith has stayed for so long. And boom, that's what happens.

After that happens, well, clearly Sharon isn't just Sharon anymore. The opening of the eyes to look at the demon and then the look of almost pity that she gave Dahlia, Sharon wouldn't have done that. But in the backseat we saw her sucking her thumb, implying the good is still there. I think the demons job is done, and I think it merely recreated Alyssa. Now the ending having Sharon & Rose still in Silent Hill's dimension while in their home could mean two things. Well, three including Joe Molotov's interpretation. That the demon is now inside Sharon, and it's evil has spread to the entire world. That for some bizarre reason Alessa just wants a mother, and thus the "Mother is God" that was emphasized. She has no use for a father, doesn't want one, etc. She just wants her God. Therefore, the final deal with the demon Alessa made was to keep Rose and her in a seperate dimension, such that they could be able to do "normal" things, but that it would just be the two of them. Really kind of ripped from the Ring 2 if you accept that view of things.

And the final one is the one I think most likely. I'll point out the main clues to that before I go into the details: First, we are told that a lot of people died in the fire that was started. The detective's father for one. This doesn't add up with Alessa in the hospital though. How could half the town have died and yet she's taken to the town's hospital and stays there for years? Well, if anyone has insight on that, I'd love to hear it. But I'm going to accept that the cultists are dead. Rose tells them that when she seeks to dispel their misguided faith, I'm positive she said "You all are dead!" The other clue, the cop said they found Rose's SUV. They wouldn't have left it there, they obviously towed it. And yet it exists in Silent Hill.

I agree, I think in the movie they died. The cop skidded off the road on a motorcycle, and Rose hit her head with enough force to kill someone on the steering wheel. Sharon didn't die, and didn't need to. She was a manifestation of the town in the real world, and simply came home. But I agree, I think it was purgatory, that Alessa had died long ago along with everybody else. And for Alessa to have another shot at a "normal" life, the mother she needed had to die to join her. What else explains the demon popping out on the street and forcing a wreck? The chances of doing that and having both Rose and the cop survive but lose conciousness are weak. It makes no sense that they have to lose conciousness to enter the evil Silent Hill. They either should have just driven in and entered the other-world once they crossed the bridge or they did in fact die.

She did it to kill them both so they could join Alessa in Purgatory. Now they live forever more, not alive but not dead. Rose doesn't know she's dead, so she lingers. I think that's what the fog inside their house means. Rose doesn't even notice it, she goes on like she's home at last. I think that instead of that fog implying that the demon is now a world-wide corporation, it means that we're in a purgatory/ghostly dimension. And thus the husband smelling her perfume when their paths crossed, something that one might expect from a ghost. The movie had mega quotes that were zoomed in on for several seconds at a time, all of those quotes had to do with judgement. While I don't know much about Purgatory since it's a Catholic thing, I am pretty sure it's where some people believe you go to be judged. And to get there you have to die. Thus, if Silent Hill, in the movie's interpretation, is Purgatory, Rose and company are all dead. While that definitely takes a major detour from the game, it's the best I've come up with to have the ending make sense.


Quite frankly I came in this thread expecting a lot of "What the fucks?" about the ending. Surprised to see that either most people ignored it or I'm really stupid and it was clear as day what it actually meant. All in all, I loved the movie. It is easily the best video game film ever. It had all these little nods to the games, and yet the average joe had no idea what they were and yet didn't find them annoying or distracting. The monsters making the radio/cell phone noise, the radio, the map memorization, the keys trying to find the flashlight, and the alleyway, hospital, school all ripped scene by scene from the game. Even the fact that, to explain why the game doesn't go on forever, they decided to just have the town in an island with drops that go on for infinity at the edge of town actually incorporated into the movie.

Clearly the director knew how to translate the tiniest aspects of a video game onto film without pissing off the non-gamer, and instead using them to add elements that probably added to the film in the eyes of non-gamers and gamers alike. Best film I've seen in a while, even if it wasn't exactly true to the game's lore and storylines after the two entered the church. You couldn't have a direct interpretation of Harry Mason's adventure, with the whole Samael and birthing of the God thing, etc.

Edited to add:

Spoiler:
Seeing this movie made me want to re-read some of the lore... This guide on GameFAQ's is just insane in it's level of analysis, if you have any interest in the lore and played the games or want spoilers... And if you have about ten hours to read: http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/f...l_4_plot_a.txt A direct quote that supports the Rose is dead idea: "Worthy of note is the occult magazine from SH3, which says that people, who died a sudden death, can still exist (as psychic energy), not realizing their death."

Dr. DVD 04-23-06 11:56 AM

While I could have thought the better of this movie, if they do make a sequel with more Pyramid Head, I would come back to see him. He was a bad ass!

sethsez 04-23-06 12:37 PM

Well, I hope the sequel brings back the full Pyramid Head, though I could understand why they wouldn't.

SPOILER FOR SILENT HILL 2 (the game, obviously):

Spoiler:
The most memorable thing about him in the game is easily his penchant for raping things. I don't know if the world is ready for Pyramid Head screwing a couple zombie-like things on the big screen.


The movie had a couple subtle hints about this aspect of him, but they were only there if you knew what to look for in the first place.

BellsOfWar 04-23-06 01:44 PM

my take on the ending

Spoiler:
i thought silent hill was an "alternate world" from the real world and the demon could let in who they wanted. the real alessa got so angry she formed a seperate person, her entire evil side. they also created her entire good side which we know as sharon. once rose helps alessa, the evil alessa joins back with sharon, so now sharon is good/evil. also, she doesn't want rose to leave silent hill. she also has the power to keep rose not only in silent hill, but "the dark world" as well which extends far beyond silent hill.

Dr. DVD 04-23-06 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by sethsez
Well, I hope the sequel brings back the full Pyramid Head, though I could understand why they wouldn't.

SPOILER FOR SILENT HILL 2 (the game, obviously):

Spoiler:
The most memorable thing about him in the game is easily his penchant for raping things. I don't know if the world is ready for Pyramid Head screwing a couple zombie-like things on the big screen.


The movie had a couple subtle hints about this aspect of him, but they were only there if you knew what to look for in the first place.


Well,
Spoiler:
who knows what he did to that girl's body after he ripped off both her clothes and skin?


Also, FWIW, this movie just came in at #1 this weekend with about $20 million, so I think once worldwide grosses come into play a sequel might be greenlit soon.

freshticles 04-23-06 01:58 PM

I rate this movie on the same scale as I rate 'Monkeybone' and tragically, "Monkeybone' rates higher. This is by far one of the worst excuses for a horror movie I've seen. If these people were true fans of the genre, they wouldn't shit all over it by giving us cartoonish CGI gore sequences. Don't even get me started on the acting, and that shitty cop. I walked out of this movie foaming at the mouth spitting insults at my friend's girlfriend who enjoyed it. I hate what this movie did to me.

onebyone 04-23-06 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Also, FWIW, this movie just came in at #1 this weekend with about $20 million, so I think once worldwide grosses come into play a sequel might be greenlit soon.

If they can get the same folks, I would love a sequel. The second game would translate really well to cinema.

Dr. DVD 04-23-06 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by freshticles
I walked out of this movie foaming at the mouth spitting insults at my friend's girlfriend who enjoyed it. I hate what this movie did to me.


I hope your friend's GF allowed him to belt you one. While I didn't care for the movie overall, I wouldn't insult someone for liking it, least of all the GF of a friend.

garmonbozia 04-23-06 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by DonnachaOne
As the old adage says, "hell is not knowing".
I was under the impression that

I came away from the film with the same general explanation as Donnacha's, rather than the one that Joe has put forth (although that one is certainly valid based on the film itself as well).

Joe Molotov 04-23-06 02:50 PM

Well, it just wouldn't be Silent Hill without differing interpretations of the events. However, I had read some spoiler reviews that said basically what Donnacha was saying before seeing the movie, and I didn't really like the idea then, I like it even less after seeing the movie.

Spoiler:
After seeing The Sixth Sense, The Others, and about a million Lost threads, I'd just rather not believe that they were all dead and this was some kind of purgatory. I'll accept that they were in a purgatory of sorts, that they were trapped in some kind of limbo between this world and something else. That could explain why time doesn't seem to pass the same way there, and none of the people were as old as they probably should be. And I'll also accept that Alessa/Sharon brought Rose there because she wanted a mother figure, and that's why she kept Rose there after the final battle. But I just don't like the idea that they were all really dead. For one thing, Dhalia left the town at one point to take Sharon to the orphanage. Also, the people there don't appear to be spirits. They still eat, they still bleed, they can still die.

I'll admit though, it does seem a bit suspicious that they both have a wreck and then wake up in this strange place, but that is the way it happened in the game and Harry was still alive there (unless you got the Bad- ending). I hate to have to fall back on the game for reference since so much has been changed from that to this, but in all four games the protagonist was still alive inside Silent Hill, despite what it may have seemed.


But like I said, I'm glad that movie was able to inspire so many different interpretations of the events. (Mine may be totally wrong, but I'm comfortable with it, and I guess that's all that matters. Reading everyone else's thoughts on it makes me want to see it again, though.) It wouldn't have seemed like Silent Hill if it had been too easy to understand, although despite what some people are saying, I don't think it was too hard to understand either. It certainly wasn't on the same level as other recent movies like Donnie Darko or Mulholland Dr.


Originally Posted by freshticles
I walked out of this movie foaming at the mouth spitting insults at my friend's girlfriend who enjoyed it.

Wow, you sound like a great guy to go to the movies with. :rolleyes:

sethsez 04-23-06 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by freshticles
giving us cartoonish CGI gore sequences

Spoiler:
The only CGI gore sequence that I remember was the end. The rest of the violent bits were all makeup and practical effects. The creatures looked vaguely CGI-ish because the makeup team were instructed to make everything look fake, plasticy and slimy, but that was an intentional design choice. Either way, the ending was the only gore sequence that was CGI.

Dr. DVD 04-23-06 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by onebyone
If they can get the same folks, I would love a sequel. The second game would translate really well to cinema.


One of the above posters hinted that
Spoiler:
the second film could almost be a verbatim adaptation of the second game with Sean Bean playing the role of the man looking for his family in Silent Hill. It could also bring in some more of Pyramid Head as he is apparently a focal point of the second game.

Giles 04-23-06 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by freshticles
I rate this movie on the same scale as I rate 'Monkeybone' and tragically, "Monkeybone' rates higher. This is by far one of the worst excuses for a horror movie I've seen. If these people were true fans of the genre, they wouldn't shit all over it by giving us cartoonish CGI gore sequences. Don't even get me started on the acting, and that shitty cop. I walked out of this movie foaming at the mouth spitting insults at my friend's girlfriend who enjoyed it. I hate what this movie did to me.


oh that's harsh, guess I'll just wait til it out on video then.

sethsez 04-23-06 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Spoiler:
It could also bring in some more of Pyramid Head as he is apparently a focal point of the second game.

That depends.
Spoiler:
Pyramid Head represents basic, aggressive male sexuality.
Without that aspect of the plot in the second movie, Pyramid Head wouldn't need to be there at all, even if everything else was copied verbatim from the second game. And considering how Chris
Spoiler:
loses his wife
in this movie, it's already unlikely.

It's a good way to set up the second movie, definitely, but there's going to have to be a hell of a lot of additional family backstory because the fundamental reason for what's going on in Silent Hill 2 is already impossible here.

Seantn 04-23-06 03:50 PM


oh that's harsh, guess I'll just wait til it out on video then.
A lot of people on here loved it, are you only going by his review?

Dr. DVD 04-23-06 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by sethsez
That depends.
Spoiler:
Pyramid Head represents basic, aggressive male sexuality.
Without that aspect of the plot in the second movie, Pyramid Head wouldn't need to be there at all, even if everything else was copied verbatim from the second game. And considering how Chris
Spoiler:
loses his wife
in this movie, it's already unlikely.

It's a good way to set up the second movie, definitely, but there's going to have to be a hell of a lot of additional family backstory because the fundamental reason for what's going on in Silent Hill 2 is already impossible here.


Well, seeing as how Pyramid Head is the one aspect almost everyone seems to remember and brings up in their reviews, and is a fan favorite, I think they will have to include him to please the masses, kind of like Boba Fett in the Star Wars saga.

When I said verbatim, I meant more or less that way with a few tweaks, since I have heard the movie itself is kind of an amalgamation of the first three.

sethsez 04-23-06 04:32 PM

Oh, he'll definitely be back in the second movie no matter what. I'm just saying that for him to have the relevance he had in the second game, they're really going to have to expand on Chris and Rose's relationship.

And the movie is mostly 1 with splashes of 2 here and there. Outside of some songs on the soundtrack I didn't detect a bit of 3 (which is good, because 3 was a mess).

Seantn 04-23-06 04:38 PM

I just bought part 2 for Xbox, looking forward to playing it :)

Dr. DVD 04-23-06 04:41 PM

Since this movie has Silent Hill in Virginia, that gives me an interesting idea for a sequel.

Spoiler:
Rose realizes she's been duped(if she hadn't figured it out by the end of the first) and attempts to go on the run with Sharon (not knowing she's got a lot of evil in her) to find anywhere that may not be secluded. This leads her to nearby metropolitan area Washington, D.C. Imagine Silent Hill in a big urban setting?
Oh hell, I couldn't care less about why they go there, I just think it would be a cool visual to see Pyramid Head commiting one of his nasty deeds on the steps of Capital Hill with the darkness all around the building.

Rypro 525 04-23-06 04:43 PM

i saw it friday night. the projector burned out about 15 minutes in when the woman walks down the stairs to look for her daughter, but we still had sound , and creeped alot of us out. (theater was pitch black, and late at night around 10:30) they fixed it in 20 minutes, and we didn't get out of the theater till around 12:45 am. can someone explain the final shot for me?

opinions, pretty bad acting (not as bad as bloodrayne though), shitty cgi, but an interesting story.

sethsez 04-23-06 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Seantn
I just bought part 2 for Xbox, looking forward to playing it :)

Enjoy! That's one game to play at night with the lights off and the volume cranked.


Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Oh hell, I couldn't care less about why they go there, I just think it would be a cool visual to see Pyramid Head commiting one of his nasty deeds on the steps of Capital Hill with the darkness all around the building.

Nah, Silent Hill is great because it's so damn secluded and alone, with nobody but you, the fog, and "things" off in the distance. Later games in the series focused more on the psychological aspect of the horror, and I'd really like to see more of that in the future movies.

freshticles 04-23-06 05:33 PM

I guess I should have said spitting insults about the movie. That came across weird. A lot of that movie was cg no matter what the creator's said. We all walked out of there complaing about the cg and how bad it was, and if it wasn't, the effects were awful. Sorry but I really felt insulted intellectually and cheated after this movie. Poor acting and a confusing storyline don't make for a good movie.

Zodiac_Speaking 04-23-06 05:34 PM

For me, this was a fun little timewaster. THis year hasn't had too much that made me go out to see, so for April, I had fun. Money well spent.

Yeah, Pyramid Head rocked!

Silent Hill 3 rocks too. Might have to get this movies soundtrack; good stuff.

sethsez 04-23-06 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by freshticles
A lot of that movie was cg no matter what the creator's said.

Environment transitions, yes. The grand finale, yes. But the creatures (excepting the bugs and some of the ghost kids) and much of the gore were practical effects. Again, they were designed to look plasticy and slimy... the unfortunate side effect of this being that most CG looks plasticy and slimy so it came off looking more CG than it actually was.


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