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Old 09-16-04 | 03:31 PM
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Return of the Jedi question

I remember seeing the end of the SE and it showed celebrations on many different planets, including Coruscant.
I was wondering, since Coruscant was the stronghold of the Empire, wouldn't it take more than a battlestation with the emperor on it being destroyed for the troops to just throw down their weapons and surrender? There was a legion of troops on Endor, but I remember seeing the crowd passing a Stormtrooper mosh pit style while they celebrated and pulled down the statue of Palpatine.
WOuldn't it make sense for there to be more troops on Coruscant than any other planet? Also, given the size of that place, I am sure it would take a movie in and of itself to explain how that was reclaimed. Were there rebel teams in hiding on that planet striking all the while? Please explain.
Old 09-16-04 | 03:36 PM
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We have no idea if the celebrations are immediately after the explosion of the death star or three days later. Any further resistance of the empire after the death star battle and death of the emperor is not shown, therefore we can only assume that there was no resistance.
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The main head of the empire was on the death star. It was as if the white house blew the hell up. And since it was a governing system where he had all the control, then all the lackies under him would just be confused on what to do next. So I'm sure the troops didn't know what to do and it signled the end of the order.

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Old 09-16-04 | 04:19 PM
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Things for the stormtroopers turned very quickly once the Emperor was killed. It has been suggested that due to their genetic design, they were easily manipulated by Palpatine via the Force. Once that chain was broken, they were pretty much sitting ducks.
Old 09-16-04 | 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Eplicon
Things for the stormtroopers turned very quickly once the Emperor was killed. It has been suggested that due to their genetic design, they were easily manipulated by Palpatine via the Force. Once that chain was broken, they were pretty much sitting ducks.
Suggested by whom? If it ain't in the movies, then it's pretty much bullshit, IMO.
Old 09-16-04 | 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Eplicon
Things for the stormtroopers turned very quickly once the Emperor was killed. It has been suggested that due to their genetic design, they were easily manipulated by Palpatine via the Force. Once that chain was broken, they were pretty much sitting ducks.
They were bad enough with him in charge, so it kind of makes sense.
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I bet they were all getting high on deathsticks and didn't realize what the hell was going on.
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Deathsticks.

If you've ever seen a Cheech & Chong movie, you'd know that aliens get high on "Space Coke".
Old 09-16-04 | 04:43 PM
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All good arguments are here. I would argue these points. One, the main weapon in the Empire's arsenal, the Death Star, was destroyed. The two me in control of the Empire, the Emperor and Vader, were dead. Numerous star destroyers were destroyed, including the largest of them all, Vader's Executor. I think it's safe to say that once those things happened, the rebellion as well as the other people throughout the galaxy, were emboldened. Also, you have to wonder that once all of that happened, the imperial troops will to fight was diminished.

Basically what I'm saying is, once the head of the snake is chopped off, the rest of the snake dies. Lucas basically left it open for discussion. It's really one of the things that we don't need to see. We all can accurately assume what happened.

Suggested by whom? If it ain't in the movies, then it's pretty much bullshit, IMO.
I think once we all see Episode III, many things will be much clearer.

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This will be explained in the new scenes Lucas is developing for the HD-DVD release of Return Of The Jedi. A Rebel assault on the Imperial authorities of Coruscant is led by none other than Jar Jar Binks. Yes, he survives Episode III and feeling like he was somewhat responsible for the rise of the Empire he becomes a great warrior for the Rebellion. The new scenes with Jar Jar will be intercut with the three other story threads at the end of the movie.

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I really don't see some Admiral in charge of the Coruscant defense forces not taking over
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This will be explained in the new scenes Lucas is developing for the HD-DVD release of Return Of The Jedi. A Rebel assault on the Imperial authorities of Coruscant is led by none other than Jar Jar Binks. Yes, he survives Episode III and feeling like he was somewhat responisble for the rise of the Empire he becomes a great warrior for the Rebellion. The new scenes with Jar Jar will be intercut with the three other story threads at the end of the movie.
That's BS! Barry, where do you get this silly nonsense. You have a penchant for making things up out of the blue. Weren't you the one responsible for that long list of ridiculous changes that Lucas was supposedly making for the DVDs? We all know how that turned out. This isn't going to happen, no way. Just trying to incorporate a scene like that in ROTJ would be impossible to incorporate in a seamless way. In fact, you couldn't do it.

This is not going to happen. Lucas said he was happy with the current cuts of the films coming out on DVD.

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That's BS! Barry, where do you get this silly nonsense. You have a penchant for making thinds up out of the blue.
It was a joke.
Weren't you the one responsible for that long list of ridiculous changes that Lucas was supposedly making for the DVDs? We all know how that turned out.
Yeah, I wrote the original list way back when and posted it on a few message boards but someone else sent a modified version of it to Ain't It Cool News. Still, many of my suggestions ended up coming to pass in the new DVD editions such as Temuera Morrison as the voice of Boba Fett, Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor and Hayden Christenson as Anakin's spirit. Coincidence?

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Coincidence?
You throw enough shit on the wall and something is bound to stick.
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Deathsticks.

If you've ever seen a Cheech & Chong movie, you'd know that aliens get high on "Space Coke".
Cheech & Chong? Shit, you mean Zeke & Edsel, right?

Nose Dive!
Old 09-16-04 | 09:40 PM
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I really would love a video game or EU novel that takes place at the same time as ROTJ and tells the story of taking Coruscant.
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Well, you can add a lot of conjecture. Obviously the main battle was at the Death Star, where I imagine a large percentage of the Empire's forces were. While we don't know what the other Empire forces did after that battle, we also don't know how many or what the Rebellion forces did at that point. It's a fairly moot point though, interesting to think about but not really important to the central story (so hardly a plot hole or anything).

Not to mention, the books speak of remnants of the empire afterwards, so I'm sure many stood down, many went into hiding, some were killed in battle. I'm sure all three would've taken place.
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I always thought that part of how the Emperor kept control was through the influence of the Force. Once that was gone, the confidence of the troops and their willingness to fight would have taken a major hit. Also the populations would have "felt" less afraid to fight back or rise up.

The building of the two Death Stars probably used up quite a few of the resources of the Empire, which would have weakened them some, not to mention the blow they received by losing the first Death Star.
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i'm going with the vampire explaination. you kill the head vampire, then all of his "clones" die too.
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I always thought that part of how the Emperor kept control was through the influence of the Force.
That was mentioned in some of the books. Lucas approved the story lines for the books before letting them go through, but I doubt he paid that close attention to the details, so it's hard to tell if that was the way he wanted it or not.
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Lucas approved the story lines for the books before letting them go through...
Did he? I heard he doesn't consider anything in the books canon.
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It was as if the white house blew the hell up.
Let's stay on topic and leave Independence Day out of this, mkay? I mean, I know where you work and all, but come on ...
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From ROTJ:

Emperor: "It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best troops awaits them."

Considering the Emperor's BEST was on Endor and they wiped out by Ewoks, it's not too far-fetched if the citizens of Coruscant could overpower whatever was left on that planet. That's why in the long run, the bad guys are generally more stupid.
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I have read that the emporer controlled the stormtroopers through the force in the books and that George Lucas was involved in the guidelines of some of the books.


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