It's sad news but Tony Curran IS a good actor, if not in the same caliber as Derek Jakobi. He was Rodney Skinner in The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, was Weath in The 13th Warrior, will be in the upcoming Beowulf with Gerard Butler, had a bit part in Gladiator (had his own sword stuck in him by a bound RusselL Crowe), and recently had a supporting role in Flight Of The Phoenix.

Perhaps Tony Curran is a young Marcus and Derek Jakobi portrays him when older. Anyone know how quickly Vampires age in the Underworld universe?

I don't think they do age.

Didn't know that was Curran in LXG; he was one of the few good points about that movie.

Agreed 100%. The movie was awesome but Kraven was so terrible that it was almost painful at times. Did anyone teach this guy how to deliver lines? I've seen middle school plays with better actors.

i fell asleep during the first

Tony Curran plays
Derek Jacobi plays

Cool. Best of both worlds situation there. :thumbsup:
Where'd you find that out, fryinpan1?

Did you see the 50th post of this thread I made? ;)
MTV set visit with pics, clips, and updates:
http://www.mtv.com/shared/movies/fea..._visit_050323/

Also, they are listed on the IMDB cast page:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0401855/

Will any of the vampires need CPR in this one?

I could have sworn the old Underworld thread was filled with nothing but hate. I thought the first one was okay, they could have done a much better job all around, but it was entertaining - the CPR and the new mouth on the hybrids are the 2 things that bothered me the most. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes from the 1st one and make a really good vampire film.

CPR? Explain.

You betcha.

I like the first one with very few complaints so I am all over this one too.

Kate B too!! Yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy

Lucian nailed Selene in the shoulder with his blade while she was driving. She eventually passed out from loss of blood. Mike Corvin saved her when the car went into the drink and he gave her cpr when he got her to safety.

Vampire Purists get all bent outa shape on this. I just take it to mean that Vampires in this particular Universe(Underworld) don't have Supernatural powers like Vampires in other movies. Shit, in the old Vampire movies water alone would've killed a Vampire. Even the Werewolves in Wolf form are stronger than the Vampires. The exception being the Vampire Elder Viktor. Even the Elder Amelia, who should've been stronger than the Werewolves, was killed fairly easily. But it's no big deal. Blade did the same thing with its Vampires in terms of "powering them down".

I remember someone once posted in this forum after reading the novelization and mentioned that, although elders were stronger than your typical vampires, only Viktor was the real powerhouse of that particular coven, Amelia was there as the smartest and Marcus was there ONLY because he was a decendant of Corvinus.

Also, Selene narrates early on that the werewolves bred themselves to be stronger after the defeat of Lucian.

I totally forgot about that scene (man, I saw the movie in the theater and have watched it several times on cable...duh).

I guess it didn't bother me that much. This movie seemed to establish it's own breed of vampires (like all the other vamp movies). Did any purist get bent out of shape about Selena being able to see her own reflection?

i think handcombat would've been mindless and repetitive. but more interestingly, the preponderance of weaponry is exactly what you would expect out of a centuries old feud. at some point, some braniac would have to realize, "hey, we've been fighting this way for centuries. and we've gotten nowhere fast. maybe we should try to change our tactics."

they're innovating their method of combat, exactly as humans have done for tens of hundreds of years. it's been the way of humans for years, to innovate to try to get ahead.

while it's not flashy matrix-fighting (which i'm glad it wasn't, considering it had all the looks in the trailer of being a matrix-ified vampire movie)

this fantasy movie, while not entirely original, has its good moments which, oddly enough, are entirely reasonable.

Yeah I read both Underworld books. The monetization "Underworld, and the prequel "Underworld: Blood Enemy". Generally AGE is what gives both Vampires and Werewolves their strength. The older they are, the stronger they are. I guess Viktor was probably the oldest of both species. This is also why Lucian could not only change at will but push silver bullets out of his wounds. I don't remember the part about Werewolves breeding themselves to be stronger but since they are animals it would make sense the strongest would get to breed the new wolves.

If I remember right according to UW: Blood Enemy, Viktor wasn't even "pureblood". He was turned many many centuries ago. But he was a strong defender of "Vampiric purity". Lucian, however, <i>was</i> pure. "Pure" meaning born of 2 of immortal parents be they Vampire or Werewolf and not changed over. Lucian's parents were captured by Viktor before Lucian was born. That's why he was born a slave. Viktor was the one who put Werewolves into servitude. Apparently, wild packs were killing humans and creating a huge problem for "Immortals". Viktor realized that people already feared immortals but these attacks caused humans to hate them and Viktor realized that if he didn't do something about it sooner or later humans would start hunting immortals down. So he rounded up wild packs and created "Death Dealers" as the soldiers responsible for this task.

Lucian was a wolf trustee who helped Vampires hunt rouge wolf packs to kill them or make them slaves.

Nice.
Thanks for the background story. If you've got more, don't be shy. ;)

Yeah, that's good stuff, Giantrobo. BTW, where did you get the books? And how much do they retail for?

I hope info like Lucian and Viktor's backgrounds are presented in the opening 20 minutes of this sequel.

Underworld at Amazon
Underworld: Blood Enemy


I just saw both books in paper back at BORDERS earlier today. They probably sell for around 6 or 7 bucks. Underworld: Blood Enemy goes back and forth between ancient times and a few months before the events in the movie Underworld. The funny thing is it never gets into Selene's origin. It's mostly about Lucian, Sonja(Viktor's daughter), and the events leading to war. Both are written by the same guy so I'm hoping another book is on the way.

Cool. Thanks, Giantrobo.

Thanks for the info. I just ordered both books from Overstock.com for $10.98 total. I read the first few pages from the Amazon links and they seem pretty good.

Since this movie is on its way has anyone heard anything more about that Lawsuit against the guys who wrote Underworld? They were being sued for stealing ideas from some Role Play company and using them in Underworld if I remember right.

I didn't think ideas could be copyrighted, but maybe I'm wrong.

Well, it was more than that. I just used "ideas" to be general.

wow i did not know that there were books out, cool.

Yeah, it was White Wolf trying to sue. Saying that they stole ideas like werewolves and vampires fighting with weapons, vamps having elders, pretty generic stuff that they claim THEY made up for Vampire: The Masquerade. Hello people, Anne Rice made up a LOT of your vamp mythology first. Idiots. Haven't heard anything about that lately. Maybe it got dropped.

I read both of the books and liked them a lot. The first one (based on the screenplay) has a few scenes that are not in the extended cut and gives great descriptions of what the characters are thinking. The second book (Blood Enemy - prequel based on the characters) was great too and gives you lots of history and detail. The writer Greg Cox said he picked the brain of Danny McBride (Underworld writer, producer, etc.) for all the prequel information so the continuity of the story flows very well.

Also, check out the Underworld comics, which are great for further back story. The three issue mini-series gives you the lycan origin of Raze. I think Danny McBride also co-wrote these. Here is a Dec. 2003 article about the comics:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/ne...em.cgi?id=3080

It's good to know others enjoyed the books. I didn't know about the mini series! Thanks for posting this. I guess I'll have to try to find it.

I bought the comics on Ebay for around $10 with shipping. If you cannot find them on Ebay, use yahoo or google with the search terms, "underworld red tooth claw comic." You should be able to find some online sites selling them.

Awesome.
Thank you.

Underworld Evolution updates:

release date is now Dec. 2 instead of Dec. 9. This is a good thing because it comes out a week earlier and does not have to compete head to head with The Chronicles of Narnia.

some cool new pics (Selene in water :drool: )
http://www.darkhorizons.com/2005/und...devolution.php

Scott Speedman Talks About "XXX State of the Union" and "Underworld Evolution"
http://movies.about.com/od/xxx2/a/xxx2ss042605.htm

Bill Nighy on Pirates and Underworld
http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/n...?news_id=16732

Very nice read.
Didn't even realize Nighy was Viktor; didn't occur to me. :p
Kate married the director?! :hump:

Bill has become one of my favorite Brit actors in recent years. However I didn't know he's going to be in "POTC II & III". :eek: I'm so there! :up:

I know. That's too cool...and even as Davy Jones!

I always had this fascination about pirates and what it must have been like in those eras. I only wish someone would make a pirate movie with the same dark atmosphere like Underworld but without the Disney franchise. :fart:

Wazzup all! New member here, and just wanted to chime in that I am a fan of Underworld (Theatrical Cut) and will Def' be sitting in the theater for the sequel! -popcorn-

Welcome to the forum. :thumbsup:

I might as well put some of these new smiles to use:

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Viktor has a mullet! :)

Viktor Rocks!