I made this point earlier, but I don't understand the problem. We can assume the main character survived. We can assume she was debriefed afterward by the company since everyone but her was killed and the pyramid was destroyed. She has proof of alien existence (the staff). She would have described the aliens in detail. I think there's enough of a connection there without showing every little thing. Now, had everyone been killed, I would have a problem with that. But that's not the case.
We'll see if this is addressed in Anderson's director's cut.

Jack,

I agree with you on Weyland. When I saw the film and the blonde gave her gun/condom speech I assumed that was a hint that Weyland and Co. knew about the Predators of the previous two films and were expecting to find them. I kept expecting for that admission on Weyland's part (especially when his #1 guy and his subordinates started pulling out all those guns from their cases) and actually expected him to witness the Xenomorphs and switch his interest to them after he was the sole survivor of this movie. But it never happened.

Also, why were the guys on the surface so jumpy with guns out before the Predators made their presence known?

The connection to Weyland didn't have to be fully developed. Simply placing Weyland at the scene in this story which takes place before "Alien" makes that initial connection right there. It establishes how they first found out about the alien. We don't need to know more than that for this movie. How and why the company pursued the alien and created the "hidden agenda" for the Nostromo is perhaps something we'll see in some other prequel. As I said, it could have been done to fit more neatly with the alien story if Bishop survived, but I still liked seeing the reference.

None of the alien series films connects the biology perfectly with each other. The alien biology has been altered in every movie so yes I did notice the brief gestation period and I just shrugged, it wasn't enough to make me walk out, it didn't ruin the story.

AVP is far from perfect and nowhere near the class of the first 2 alien films. But the connections and references made to the other alien films and the use of the (admittedly changed) alien's biology as applied to the story, made the movie enjoyable for me.

I'm not sure

Dead (wo)men don't talk. Predators leaving her stuck on the frozen surface where someone could freeze in the water in three minutes doesn't really give her much time to get back to a boat with nothing but a shirt on her back.

staff was jammed into the alien queens body which most likely went down with her.

the only thing the franchise has left is more AvP films and things that take place after alien 4.

AVP gives the life cycle of the alien in a it's host body about 5 minutes time before it burst out and then another 10 minutes to grow to full age.

It gave some fan service with biship doing the pen trick but more then that weyland wasn't used to what it could have been.

as for the "Directors cut". It's just paul trying to pass the buck on why his film wasn't what it could have been.

Roc Shemp has it right. The whole franchise for both has the elemnet that the crew is tossed into something by "the man" that they don't expect. Predator had Dutches crew going in for a hit mission when they were told it was going to be a search and rescue. Predator 2 had the heads that knew and wanted to capture it. alien had the aggenda. aliens had the company aggenda, same with alien 3 and alien 4 was all about bringing it back and cloning it as a super weapon.

notice a theme there? It should have been followed here that weyland knew something about it and that is why they came prepared. When bishop denied it to lex I was pretty let down. The could have linked it that bishop see's this ultimate hunter get it's ass kicked by a xenomorph and that is what he wants now and from then on. Have him discover that it was brought by them to earth from another planet and this could be the hin that the company had an agenda.

There was a satellite communications tower and plenty of spare parkas lying around from the dead men. Somehow I doubt she just curls up in a ball and freezes to death.
No, the "honor staff" that was given to her by the head predator at the end, after the queen was dead. Not the Xenomorph tail one.
You edited the film? I don't know whether that scene exists or not, but it's dumb to just assume for no reason that it doesn't.

I have it! The next one will be Alien vs. The Thing!

It's perfect, both stories take place in the arctic ( or is one at the North pole, one at the south....oh well it doesn't matter, it's a sequel, we'll change it so they are both in the same place. ) Some alien eggs have survived. A team from Weyland goes back to find out out what happened to the crew, and instead they find the eggs....and Kurt Russell, who has somehow survived all this time but is it Kurt or is it The Thing!!!

Actually, though I still side with Jack, Breakfast with Girls is onto something. The satellite. I'm sure if they made not of the sudden tunnel they'd notice the sudden huge crater.

In a sequel perhaps John Yutani shows up with a crew and finds a half dead Alex (was that her name?) who in Ripley fashion relates the entire tale. But instead of keeping her for the remainder of the film she's let go back to wherever she leaves. Later Yutani and Co. find the frozen Queen and relocate her an isolated research facility. Hopefully one with a warm climate. Blah blah blah. Queen defrosts under lab supervision, lays eggs, one face hugger infects an unlucky tech, after a proper gestation period a chest burster emerges. A single Alien runs amuck, perhaps makes enough of a mess to leave eggs (if not yet the Queen) exposed and more workers infected. All hell breaks lose and lab has to be blown up as a last resort, much to John Yutani's chagrin. There you have Alien 5 (or Alien 0 for the Japanese market).

If you wanna over complicate things, we can use the warm climate I mentioned as the beginnings of an ungodly heat wave. And the facility is really a military weapons R&D facility that has a huge security detail. It was selected for the observation and testing of the Queen due to said security detail (in case something should go wrong) and because the facility is big enough and very much isolated. A Predator ship is attracted by the massive heat wave and signs of an armed conflict (after the Aliens begins to run amuck). They arrive expecting human sport and end up finding a crap load of Xenomorphs. Things become dire. Several Preds are taken and face huggered, humans are dying left and right, and only a handfull of Predators remain. The remaining humans and Predators are forced to hole up together and things go from bad to worse when the Predator/Xenomorph hybrids show up. John Yutani either high tailed it when the first Alien appeared or escapes toward the enf of the film and the last Predator makes the whole place go kaboom after he finishes off the the last Predator/Xenomorph (not before being fatally wounded by said hybrid). And there you have Alien vs. Predator 2.

Not great but it's the best I can come up with to at least salvage this match up somewhat.

as it is also dumb to assume the deleted scenes which, might Iadd, were removed because effects were not done in time, Deadlines are a pain, but the director knew this before taking the job. It would still be a leap to try to make this film into anything more decent then the crap it was. If it does turn to pasture that it was just the doing of an evil company and it's editing and not the fault of a worthless director who has a shaky past track record then sure, perhaps it will make a better film. but as it stands and as we can judge right now.. it's crap


those men are blown to bits in a hole the size of 10 football fields. no parkas around anywhere because they went up in a ball of flames and her previous one has an acid burn on it. Though who really knows about the alien head shield. It was dropped during the battle when she did stab the queen. Either way this shit should be onscreen. Much like the complaining everyone did with Donnie Darko, this information should be in the film. Someone shouldn't have to search out for the link off the screen. The director is in charge of making sure that the package comes with it all.

ah, ok. I thought you ment the alien tail which would link the company in a search for that alien species.. now they would be looking for predator because of the advancement in technology in that one staff alone. Leads the company to sniff out the wrong monster in space.

Wait for the Director's Cut? Why? This was the movie that was released in theaters..it sucked ass, disrespected the previous movie franchises with ideas that are out of left field (moreso the Alien figure)

The Alien gestation thing cannot be explained, period. Hormones? What? Its not in the movie, as of right now is only mentioned by a some anoymous Internet poster who also claims he has written a draft of AVP2. Sure. Right. Whatever.

Weyland-Yutani? The guy that supposedly designed the Bishop android is dead 200 or so years before Bishop is created. Its not even like Bishop was the first android, so there wouldn't be a need to emulate the creator.

Relying on satelites to explain plot-holes? Sure, I guess if you can buy aliens gestating in minutes, you can buy anything.

Its really simple how they could have solved the Aliens gestating issue - there could have been a night spent in the temple - but no this is a 87 minute movie, so none of that. Alien infects person, and the person blows up. Makes no sense.

Those claiming that the Alien movies did not establish a time period - are you smoking crack? First movie, guy gets nailed with a face hugger, they have time to find him, move him back to the ship, discuss what do with him, have some more arguments about what to do with him, try surgery and then leave him alone for a certain period where the thing just falls off. Then there is time for the guy to go to dinner, with more time implied in between. The second movie doesn't say much, although Burke seems to think there is enough time to impregnate Newt and Ripley, finish the mission and get them back in cryostasis. Seems like more than 10 minutes there.

I noticed that the chest burster was happening faster, it just wasn't enough to make me stand up and say "Hey wait a minute! That ain't right! I want my money back, lemme outta here!"

If this change in the alien gestation period in AVP is such an an issue, then don't you have to be equally bothered by the discrepencies depicted in the Alien biology between the other Alien films?
You could rationalize that the alien's life cycle changes as it finds different hosts and combines with the genetic makeup of these hosts.
That's about the only way you can make any of the alien films fit together properly, even 1 and 2. Seems to me that's been the answer most people go with and if you accept it then you can allow for this difference in AVP.
(or you can just say different directors are going to take liberties and that's what they've done in all of them. )

so true. I really didn't see the need to make this "the cube". they could have simply put it that the place sealed and the predators had a certain amout of time to hunt said aliens to show their rite of passage before the cave opened up and if the predators didn't make it out then the big boys would come in and clean house in order to make sure a repeat of that nuke didn't happen.

say the time period could ba a day or two. Making it down to 87 minutes did kill any of that and by all indications it doesn't seem like paul's little cube situation where the place was shifting every 10 minutes go to show that those deleted scenes would indicate anything longer then a few minutes of time lapse.

At this point, mods, can we take the question mark out of the thread title? ;D

and replace it with "spoiler tags are for wimps.. this place is filled with them"

What freaking plot hole are you talking about? She's alive at the end of the movie, end of story, whether Jackskeleton thinks she dies three minutes later or not. All that crap is extrapolation and speculation, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the movie as shown.

Okay, keep going... now do Alien3 and Alien Resurrection. Don't stop now.

that's exactly the point. There was these things that needed to be put into the film so that you don't have to pull some answer like "she died because she was left out in the middle of no where wearing only a shirt" You shouldn't have to assume or jump to a conculsion when you had nothing to jump from. We have no idea that there was any interest in what happened. Sure the president of a multi million dollar company just goes missing. Still doesn't provide any link to the rest of the franchise or any hint why weyland industries was interested in a signal that lead the crew of the nostromo to bring back any sort of sample.

Paul WS Anderson responds to fan critiques, let the flaming begin anew. Props to Bloody Disgusting.

This is why I think either the latter half of the movie should be retooled or they should have shot the John Yutani scenes regardless of if they got Weller to commit to the cameo. All that matters is the character serving as a link. As it stands, I have serious doubts Alexa would talk since she and the Italian guy were so gung ho for the Xenomorphs not to reach the surface and would therefor not want to arouse any interest on the subject. Though, I guess she would assume the Queen is dead. Then a sequel might work.

Although perhaps retooling is still the way to go since Anderson painted himself into a corner when he decided to do the 10 minute shift thing. Unless there was footage of them stranded inside for a couple of days until the place finally started shifting every ten minutes. But now I'm speculating way too much.

Fine. Alien3 was an Alien Queen and took a pretty long time..which seems OK because it is a Queen. Depending on what version you watch, (for the "dog alien" you either have an Ox or Dog impregenated...the ox has time to collapse, be dragged inside and sit on a meat hook for a pretty good time before it explodes...enough time for at least a few hours as documentated by the funeral, autopsy, etc. The dog? I don't remember exactly, but its the same time frame..based on the events of the two movies. Either one establishes it isn't minutes.

Alien4, I am not sure how long it was because I haven't watched the movie in ages. Enough time for people to be impregnated, and for others to sit around and talk for at least a night before the shit hits the fan

Ressurection presumably took hours as well. Just look at the last guy whose face hugger went through the face of that other guy. Also, Elgyn only just delivered the "contraband" a few hours before all hell broke loose. No period of several days passed between when those miners (or whatever they were) were face huggered and then the chest bursters came out followed by full grown Xenomorphs.

So the life cycle was definitely sped up in part four as well. Afterall, wasn't it a few days before the face hugger let go in Alien.

Cameron was really smart by having everyone (except for Newt) already face huggered and chest burst so that Rypley and Co. were faced with a slew of already grown Xenomorphs.

What should have ahappened in AvP is that Weyland sent a previous team that never reported back. That would explain all the weaponary they took along and the full grown Aliens.

I'll by the sped up gestation reason, but man, you've got to make sure that scene stays in the movie. This is major information, PA!

did I mention that I thought this movie rocked!

Have you gueys seen this?
With no press screenings before any interviews, no-one has really had a chance to query the filmmakers on what went wrong with the quickly divisive "Alien vs. Predator". Questions have swirled about the PG-13 rating, the truncated runtime, the questionable elements that seem to ignore the previous film lore (eg. the sped up alien breeding cycle).

In a special Q&A industry screening, Paul W.S. Anderson was there to take questions from the audience about the film after it was shown and Bloody Disgusting was on hand to file a report. Here's a look at the most important questions:

"About the studio's cutting of the film, which he had no control over, he said, and I quote, "All of the best scenes were cut." Anderson was obviously very annoyed at the way the film was released. However, this was not purely because of the PG-13 limitation, which incidentally, the studio enforced THREE WEEKS before the release date! It was always going to be R until then.

Part of the reason for the cutting was that some of the effects were not ready by the time the release date came around. The effects team had very little time to do anything.

As far as the content that was cut, apparently we see all those who die, die on screen, but he also said that there is a sub-plot that we will have to wait for on DVD. Yes there will be an R-rated Director's cut DVD although they don't know the release date yet".

For the full interview which goes into detail about scenes cut, the ignored Pete Briggs script, etc. then click here. http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/ind...plate=newsfull

Interesting!
Haven't seen it yet though...

aih aih aih, come on, I have never heard so many people bitch over the fact that this film is rated PG-13, let's all just not see this movie, force Fox to release this video quickly and hopefully get some of the previousily deleted footage reinstated back into the film.

Kant, look 5 posts up, didnt feel like copying it out outright but whatever.

Exactly. It's something I'd like to see fixed, but it doesn't hinder my enjoyment of the movie.