Vincent wasn't shot in the head, he was shot in the ear. There was a big chunk of it missing.

He sent Foxx into the club to retrieve the second data because there was a chance that they would just kill whoever came in, and obviously he would rather it be Max that himself.

At the end, is it possible that Vincent actually didn't have any bullets left in his clip when they supposedly shot through the train car window. This would better explain how Vincent missed him altogether. Maybe Max was actually the only one shooting. That would also explain Vincen't reaction and his reaching for another clip.

I finally saw it this afternoon w/ the wife. We both loved it. I'd give it **** out of *****.

Great cinematography, music, pacing, and, of course, the performances were good all around - even Mr. Cruise.

In the hospital morgue, there are two of Vincent's victim's: One is the rich older man that Vincent shot posing as a notary, the other is a younger man.

When did Vincent kill the younger man? He was one of the six people on Vincent's list, but I don't recall Vincent doing the hit.

Oh, and to answer the question above: The two other guys were walking ahead and exited the alley before Vincent came out and shot the two thieves.

There were only five people on the list. The younger man that was in the morgue was one of the two punks that robbed Max in the alley when he was strapped to the steering wheel.

I thought they put both of the punks that tried to rob Max in the trunk. What sense does it make to only put one body in the trunk and leave one behind to attract attention.

I just got back from seeing Collateral a second time, and this movie is amazing. The acting and direction were all top-notch, and I really hope Mann gets a nomination at the Oscars.

One of the best of the summer!

Incredible movie, best of the summer. Seeing the new Star Wars movies can make you a digital film hater, but seeing Collateral will make you a believer.

They only put the body of the "fat man" into the trunk. The 1st guy Vincent shot and fell through the window and landed on the cab.

The 2 guys which tried to rob Max and take Vincent's bag were both left in the alley where they were killed. In the morgue there was the 2 bodies of the punks and the body of the man Vincent killed while posing as a notary. 2 shots center mass and 1 tap to the head.

difference on why he left them there. They weren't on the list and they were left on the street to attract attention. The other folks on the list were left because well.. whats the point of dragging bodies you don't need to.

Why would they even put him in the trunk at all? All the killings weren't exactly stealth like and Vincent wasn't trying to cover them up. He didn't hide his jobs, so why take the first guy and no one else? That really doesn't make sense as I read these posts. And if it wasn't to attract attention, well..too late, someone falling and crashing atop a cab already blows the deal. Can anyone rationally explain?

first guy wasn't suppose to fall out of the window. If he died in his apartment he would have been left. But you can't leave a dead body which you just moved with your hands (finger prints) stay on the street.

Crashing out of a window may have attracted some attention but no one was the wiser till undercover cop guy got there. No one called police. Now if someone walking by saw the body and called the police it was different.

They need to take the body cause it sure couldn't be left in the streets since someone might connect the crimes to the witnesses to early on. Look what happened when they eventually connected the witness trail. They put a lock down on the korean guy, Vincent cant afford that sort of trouble earlier on. Dead street punks on the other hand could just be anyone taking out the trash.

the bottom line is that vincent would have shot jamie foxx'x character as soon as the body hit the cab. and just gotten into another cab. i liked this movie but its a movie with the usual cliches and dumbass stuff. vincent who is dead shot the whole movie suddenly can't shoot when jamie fox is in front off him. he called number 4 after going through a throng of body guards and police but can't get around fox. bullsh---

i think that scene is wholly explained by the fact that it was dark as the lights in the train had just went out, plus one of the shots Jaime fired probably hit Vincent first before he could get off a round (speculation is he didn't have any rounds to get off) and thus a hit like that rendered him just about useless instantly as you saw him when the lights went on.

Vincent's character had a format to follow with shooting. double tap two in the chest, one in the head. Notice the door when they shoot at each other. You saw the double tap hit the metal part. Now who's to say that that was it for his ammo or not? but the fact that his double tapped missed. he was shot in the ear and clearly that should shake a man a bit. Lights went out. It was all luck at that point for max

Vincent always intended to frame Max for the murders. Like they said in the movie, there was an earlier crime in Oakland where people were assassinated but a cabbie that they assumed went psycho was accused of the murders. Some people felt that it wasn't the cabbie in Oakland and perhaps another killer (Vincent on an earlier job).

Obviously it doesn't take Vincent a lot of time to go from one target to the next since he can easily kill 5 people in 5 different locations in 1 night assuming there isn't other factors which come into play.

By hiding the 1st body (fat man) he not only confuses the police long enough so he can reach his other targets but he also helps frame Max since the body will be in Max's cab. Obviously it works since Vincent is able to kill the businessman while posing as a notary and the Jazz player without any trouble from the police. If it wasn't for Max destroying Vincent's list, Vincent would have easily killed the Asian in the nightclub as well.

Actually I think that Vincent intended to drop the body down into the ally (to hide in the trunk of the cab) but mistakenly onto the Cab. That's just my opinion tho. The fact that the police pulled the cab over because of the broken windshield caused by the fall proves that intentionally dropping the body onto the cab was a bad idea, but it dosen't mean that Vincent didn't hide the body into the cab on purpose.

why bother framing anyone for the murders when the whole world, namely the fbi, knew that all the victims were witnesses to a major drug crime. to set max up would fool no one. therefore the danger of keeping him alive was much greater then any deniability he created.

Vincent tried to set Max up so he wouldn't get caught. It's as simple as that. He was successful with the earlier cab driver so he assumed that he would be successful with Vincent as well.

By the time the LAPD figured out that all the witnesses and the DA were dead, the targets would have been all dead and Vincent would have been on his flight out of LA. Max would have been dead and framed for the murders, supported by the fact that there's a body in his cab's trunk.

If it wasn't for Max who made so much noise that he got those 2 punks killed and if it wasn't for Max who destroyed Vincent's list, the LAPD / FBI would never have caught on fast enough. Framing someone is key to Vincent's success. The key element isn't killing people, its killing people and never being suspected which makes a good assassin. From the story of the previous murder, you assume that Vincent is just that.

i just saw this last night and i missed the ending completely according to everyone here. see i thought that vincent died not from the gunshot wound on the train but from the one to the head. my brother and i both thought that all the bullets on the train missed.

as for the rest of the movie, we gave it a :thumbsup:.

Kind of hard to miss that bood stain in his shirt.

What I liked most about the film is the true representation of Los Angeles it shows. Even the three clubs they shot in are real, even maintaining their names. Fever and El Rodeo really do exist, I'm not sure about the Jazz club.

Just saw this yesterday - and a big :up:

I can overlook some "convenient coincidences" when the situations and plot are as involving as this, and two solid actors create strong characters. Add in stunning photography (saw it digital) and smooth "effortless" direction, and it adds up to one terrific movie!

yup, great flick!

Hopefully this continues to hang around at the box office. It definitely deserves it because most people really seem to like it.

:up: Loved it, but the ending could've been better.

Saw this Saturday and loved. Best movie I've seen so far this year (may be short lived as I'm seeing Garden State this week).

It has some flaws and cliche's as disussed above, but nothing to really keep me from enjoying it.

3.5/4.0 for me.

i saw it last night, and what really bothred me was, when vincent took out the power in the building, the elevaders still worked and the lighting in the loby was way to bright to be back up lighting.



i did get a good laugh out of the scean where vincent killed those two punks, and just shot that last guy just because.

he only cut power and phone lines to that floor, thats why the lobby was still lit, elevators are probably not tied to that floors power lines anyways.

he shot the guy because the guy was still writhing, on the floor, I guess he didnt die fast enough.

ah, nether the less it was still funny, i felt so bad for laughin, and my lady friend slaped me, but i just couldnt help it

Man, this flick was terrible. Great performances and direction but I honestly can't remember seeing a flick this cheesy since 1988.

And what the hell was that music playing when Mark Ruffalo arrived on the scene? God that was awful and talk about cliches.............holy shit.

I rented it a few weeks back when it was released, and absoultley loved it. Some of the music was questionable, and had some obvious cliches.... but I thought it all worked perfectly. In my opinion, it's one of the best movies of 2004.

If you just view the film as a kind of Terminator 4 starring Tom Cruise then it becomes much much better and the shitload of coincidences, cliches, and predictable story turns become that much easier to accept.

I saw the movie recently and it was a bit overrated. Don't get me wrong, its a great film, but some people and critics are gushing all over this movie. The main problem I had was the ending. It was anticlimatic.

Got this for X-mas and LOVED it. Cruise and Foxx were great and Mann really set up a fantastic story. Actually, i may watch it again tonight for even better appreciation!

The ending fit in well with the dismal theme of the movie...

Statham will return as the star of Collateral 2: The Transporter Hunts Down Max. :)

As for Ruffalo, he's only in the movie because Val Kilmer's commitment to Alexander forced him to pull out.

I liked the music. Hell, I even bought the soundtrack.

Same here; I thought the soundtrack was a real highlight (as usual with Mann).

Saw it for the 1st time on DVD and thought it was wonderful! Cruise was great in it, a total badass! Theres a certain scene when they get stopped by the cops and he tells Max (Jamie), "Dont corner me, you dont have the trunk space." Awesome :thumbsup:

Ha, no shit. Right after the car flip, I gave up all hope. Once again, I honestly did think the acting and Michael Mann's direction were awesome but other than that...........well, you already read it.