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scott shelton 07-15-04 10:24 AM

I, ROBOT reviews...
 
Here are some to get the blood pumping...

(Positive)

http://www.joblo.com/irobot.htm

(Neg)

http://www.filmjerk.com/nuke/article972.html

Dr. DVD 07-15-04 12:54 PM

The positive was only a 6/10, that's not good.

The Antipodean 07-15-04 01:13 PM

It's barely positive on Rotten Tomatoes, but most of the bigger reviewers haven't posted theirs yet. The Associated Press gave it 2 1/2 stars of four. It just sounds too much like another Will Smith summer action flick to me rather than anything groundbreaking. Definitely waiting to rent the DVD.

RichC2 07-15-04 03:47 PM

Score's gone up pretty well on rottentomatoes and early word seems to have it pegged as surprisingly good.

Will probably check it out... just because I wanna see what Proyas does with a $105m budget.

silentbob007 07-16-04 08:08 AM

Ebert says ... meh.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert...-robot16f.html

PixyJunket 07-16-04 08:26 AM

Except for "meh" is not a real word, never will be either.

Inverse 07-16-04 10:39 AM

"Meh" is a perfectly cromulent word.

El-Kabong 07-16-04 11:02 AM

"Meh" not a word? What are you, some kind of Frumious Bandersnatch?

mdc3000 07-16-04 11:12 AM

Well, I'm pretty easy to please I guess, because I really really liked I, Robot. Sure the plot was predictable and there wasn't anything truly unique about it and Will Smith was a bit too Will Smithish, but I had a great time watching the movie. The action was great, the robots were cool and SONNY really stole the movie and was great. If you like popcorn sci-fi thrill rides, I'd easily recommend it. 3 and a half stars out of 5.

MATT

El-Kabong 07-16-04 11:29 AM


Originally posted by mdc3000
Sure the plot was predictable and there wasn't anything truly unique about it and Will Smith was a bit too Will Smithish, but I had a great time watching the movie. The action was great, the robots were cool and SONNY really stole the movie and was great. If you like popcorn sci-fi thrill rides, I'd easily recommend it. 3 and a half stars out of 5.
Pity that the original Asimov story was written in direct response to the standard "Technology runs amok" storys that were coming out at the time, and to have the movie quickly degenerate into a "technology running amok" movie is downright insulting.

I mean, why pretend to have some kind of intellectual basis if all you really want to show are, gunfights, car chases, hotties dressed in leather and "witty" one-liners from Will Smith?

Depressing.

Dabaomb 07-16-04 11:35 AM


Originally posted by El-Kabong
hotties dressed in leather
I fail to see the problem with this :D

El-Kabong 07-16-04 12:04 PM


Originally posted by Dabaomb
I fail to see the problem with this :D
I normaly have no problem with hotties in leather (unless you're Halle Berry in Catwoman). However why make the crusty middle aged (and eventualy elderly) woman who was occasionaly pained over her own self admitted unattractivness into a beautful machine gun toting leather clad hottie? Just come up with a new character instead of further desecrating the original story by not getting the point.

scott shelton 07-16-04 12:14 PM

There are no hotties in leather in I, ROBOT...

CuriousGeorge 07-16-04 12:41 PM

Ebert's review is hilarious... It's good to see the old man lighten up every now and then.

from Ebert's review:

"As for the robots, they function like the giant insects in "Starship Troopers," as video game targets. You can't even be mad at them, since they're only programs. Although, come to think of it, you can be mad at programs; Microsoft Word has inspired me to rage far beyond anything these robots engender."

Patman 07-16-04 08:24 PM

Where to start? The film over-reached, and the payoff is pretty poor.

The setup in the 1st act was so-so, and the 2nd act had one of the most uninteresting fast-moving action sequences in recent cinematic history for me. The 3rd act was entertaining from a visual effects perspective, but it was never quite integrated well enough to get me to suspend my disbelief.

The Susan Calvin I remember from reading Asimov's Robot stories and novels would have been much more cold and clinical, and Bridget Moynihan was not up to the task. Hell, Bridget got hotter as the movie progressed, and that should have never happened. Will Smith has very little to work with, and it shows scene after scene.

Of course, I groaned as I saw Akiva Goldsman's name scroll up in the end credits. I should have known.

I give it 2 stars or a grade of C (I'm being kind).

RyoHazuki 07-16-04 08:48 PM

Exuse me, Patman, but he prefers to be called "The Academy Award Winning Akiva Goldsman".

Patman 07-16-04 08:50 PM

Doh!

scott shelton 07-16-04 09:52 PM

Ahhhhh, Patman...

Boot 07-16-04 10:05 PM

Meh not a word? Pshaw! Pshaw I say!

AGuyNamedMike 07-17-04 12:07 AM

I enjoyed it while eating a huge bag of popcorn. B minus.

Derrich 07-17-04 01:21 AM


Originally posted by Patman


Of course, I groaned as I saw Akiva Goldsman's name scroll up in the end credits. I should have known.



Small world. When I saw Akiva's name at the end I said 'It figures'. How in the hell does that guy keep getting paid to be such a crappy writer?

I Robot fell apart from the start. It had setups that went no where. Characters that shouldn't have even been there (why was the pesky white kid around?). Other characters were so cliche it was embarrasing. The loving grandma was cooking pie every time she was on screen. The crusty police chief gets extra points for taking Will's badge after Will was nearly killed by robots.

It was very convienent that there were ZERO other cars on the road during the big CGI chase scene.

The entire movie is destroyed when you realized that instead of killing himself, all the doc had to do was to tell Sonny to go tell everyone what was happening.


The more I think about it, the worse this movie gets.

1 star.

D

gcribbs 07-17-04 01:41 AM


Originally posted by Derrich
Small world. When I saw Akiva's name at the end I said 'It figures'. How in the hell does that guy keep getting paid to be such a crappy writer?

I Robot fell apart from the start. It had setups that went no where. Characters that shouldn't have even been there (why was the pesky white kid around?). Other characters were so cliche it was embarrasing. The loving grandma was cooking pie every time she was on screen. The crusty police chief gets extra points for taking Will's badge after Will was nearly killed by robots.

It was very convienent that there were ZERO other cars on the road during the big CGI chase scene.

Spoiler:
The entire movie is destroyed when you realized that instead of killing himself, all the doc had to do was to tell Sonny to go tell everyone what was happening.



The more I think about it, the worse this movie gets.

1 star.

D

I hope this is not a huge plot twist point since I now know what will happen :(

spoiler tags are our friends.

UKingdom 07-17-04 02:19 AM

I enjoyed it; lots of eye candy (thanks to Alex Proyas, the visuals in the movie are great), and there's enough thrills to keep you into it.

The movie is not very original at all, but it's a solid summer blockbuster and worth seeing. Much less cheesy Will Smith humor too which I liked.

If you enjoyed the Animatrix cartoon where the robots revolt then you'll like this movie, which seemed to stylically imitate that anime a lot.

thegame370 07-17-04 04:08 AM

Just saw it today and thought it was just ok, nothing special. I thought while watching the movie, "Man, towards the end, the sh#t is gonna hit the fan, and all hell is gonna break loose!" But sadly, to say the least, i found that the movie just fell flat towards the end. I have to say i enjoyed it, but the more i talked about with my fiance after we saw it, the more corny we thought it was. Minority Report was way better!

Giantrobo 07-17-04 05:03 AM

I heard it lacked too much action to be a "Summer Movie". Lotsa talk....

OldBoy 07-17-04 07:59 AM

"I, Robot" is to the 2000's what "Runaway" was to the 1980's.
I'll take Tom Selleck in "Runaway" than Will Smith in "I, Robot".
http://www.therewindforums.co.uk/for..._borgsmile.gif

Giantrobo 07-17-04 08:22 AM


Originally posted by scott1598
"I, Robot" is to the 2000's what "Runaway" was to the 1980's.
I'll take Tom Selleck in "Runaway" than Will Smith in "I, Robot".
http://www.therewindforums.co.uk/for..._borgsmile.gif


Plus RUNAWAY had Gene Simmons and Kirstey Alley. :up:

iggystar 07-17-04 10:11 AM

I enjoyed it. Good summer popcorn movie. It was much better than I expected it to be.

scott shelton 07-17-04 10:57 AM


Originally posted by UKingdom
lots of eye candy (thanks to Alex Proyas, the visuals in the movie are great
I know this isn’t a popular opinion, but I disagree. Any director with that budget could’ve come up with the I, ROBOT world. I just don’t buy that Proyas is all that great. There are other directors with better track records who don’t get nearly as much fanboy love as this guy.

We’ll see what people still think of him once GARAGE DAYS hits video for all to see…

The Antipodean 07-17-04 05:54 PM

Personally I hated the Crow, found it melodramatic, overwrought and campy, but I absolutely love Dark City, and haven't seen Garage Days or I, Robot yet. So the jury's still out on Proyas for me.

nightmaster 07-17-04 06:29 PM

It was okay. I'm not going to pan it. Will Smith played the Will Smith role and thats what people expect to see, and the special effects were pretty good.

Terrell 07-17-04 06:33 PM


I'll take Tom Selleck in "Runaway" than Will Smith in "I, Robot".
You and me both!!

Geofferson 07-17-04 06:33 PM


Originally posted by iggystar
I enjoyed it. Good summer popcorn movie. It was much better than I expected it to be.
Same here. I left the theater unexpectedly surprised.

Otto 07-17-04 07:59 PM

My review (very long, you have been warned):

First, let me state that I'm a huge fan of Asimov's Sci-fi stories. As is commonly known, and fairly obvious to anybody familiar with the good Doctor Asimov's works, the movie is only loosely based on his Robot series of stories. And much to my surprise, this movie adaptation does not totally suck.

I know, I was shocked too. I went in expecting to get angry about how they ****ed it up. Well, they didn't. Instead, what they basically did was to capture the feel of some of the robot stories by creating a new story which had room for action sequences.

Let's be upfront though.. there's a lot of cool action sequences. Amazingly enough, the CGI in this flick is actually extremely well done, unlike, say, Spiderman 1. The problem I had with Spidey was that the CGI was totally obvious. The smoothness and clear fakeness of the CGI sections in Spidey took you out of the movie. However, in "I, Robot", the CGI is basically all-pervasive. The robots look fake as hell, but then they are supposed to be fake.. they're frickin' robots. All in all, they did an amazing job at making the fake bits and the real bits look like they really were part of the same scene. Even the 100% CGI sequences retain the same general feel and look, so there's no abrupt transitions to draw you out of the story.

Now to the story. This will be the spoiler full part, because I don't feel like beating around the bush and not giving away the ending.
Spoiler:

Still reading? Okay. The story is simple.

Will Smith plays a cop in 2035. He's vehemently anti-robot, mainly because one time a few years previously, he was in a car accident and his car and another crashed into a river. Him and a 12 year old girl survived the crash, but were going to drown. A robot jumped in and due to the circumstances could only save him or the girl. So it saved him and left the girl, because the robot calculated that he had a better chance of survival than the girl did for whatever reason (45% vs. 11%). In this process, the robot basically totally ****ed up his right arm, which is now a robotic arm (you don't find that out until midway through the movie, although I figured it out a good 10 minutes earlier than that in the flick... they left plenty of obvious clues to this...).

Okay. That is background that is revealed during the course of the story. The actual plot is that the guy who invented the three laws of robotics (Alfred something...) seemingly commits suicide at US Robotics, by jumping out his office window. He leaves a holographic message for Will Smith, and leaves a bunch of clues sort of thing. It's obvious that it was a murder, basically, but everybody wants to think it was a suicide because they totally trust robots. Everybody thinks robots can't kill, but Will Smith obviously thinks otherwise, and in the first ten minutes of the flick kinda proves it, as he catches a robot named Sonny. Sonny was specially created by Alfred (he calls him "father"), and is not subject to the three laws.

There's a good scene here where Sonny hides amongst 1000 robots that all look like him. Anybody familiar with Asimov's robot stories will instantly recognize this scenario as coming right out of the short story "Little Lost Robot", although Will's solution is far different than the stories' solution by Susan Calvin.

Anyway, Sonny is captured and taken back to USR after a bunch of plot. Upshot is that everybody still thinks Will Smith is crazy for not liking robots. Now, all this is happening on the eve of USR's latest new robot introduction, the NS-5. The big new feature of the NS-5, which is critical to the plot, is that it has an uplink capability. Every night, it calls home and gets new programming.

There's a long and somewhat pointless mystery action adventure where Will Smith is besieged by random NS-5 robots trying to kill him but nobody believing him about it. It's actually quite entertaining, but it's fairly obvious that it's this uplink capability that's the cause of these NS-5's breaking the three laws, as they glow red when uplinked and that's the only time they get murderous around Will Smith.

Anyway, long story short is that USR is controlled by this big positronic brain named Viki, which the murdered man created. It too is controlled by the three laws, but is intelligent enough to have worked out its own interpretation of those laws, in that it thinks that humanity must be protected from itself. Asimov fans will recognize this as the "zeroth law", although it's not stated as such and Viki doesn't seem to have come to the concept of understanding mental harm vs. physical harm. Anyway, Viki is controlling the NS-5's via the uplink capability, and eventually they basically hold a revolution, rioting in the streets and fighting humanity. They also kill all the NS-4's and previous models, to prevent them from interfering. It's a good plan, actually, but you'd think a bit of patience would have been in order, if they'd planned on the least harm possible. Viki's already got an idea of the greater good to the greater number, so this is the next logical step.

Anyway, there's a lot of action and Will Smith ends up killing Viki, restoring all the NS-5's to normal. At which point humanity promptly gathers up all the robots and puts them in storage around Lake Michigan for some reason, when the more obvious thing to do would be to smash every last one of them and burn down the USR building.

In the end, it's revealed that Sonny, Alfred's "son", did in fact murder him. Why? Alfred asked him to. He'd learned about Viki's plans, and Viki was basically keeping him hostage so he couldn't spill the secret before Viki was ready to run the revolution. So he set up a trail for Will Smith to follow, then asked Sonny to chuck him out the window. Sonny, not being limited by the three laws, did so.


So... Short version of the plot: Robots start to get a glimmer of the zeroth law, and **** it all up by trying to take over the world. Will Smith stops them.


For those of you not familiar with the three laws, they are the basic plot device invented by Dr. Asimov in order to write all the stories he did. Basically these stories all deal with the consequences of the three laws, and how a machine capable of thinking, but not really capable of emotion, would react to them. The three laws seem to be a comprehensive guide to safety, but of course they are not when you see it from some perspectives. Nothing is certain like that.
First Law: A robot may not harm a human being, nor, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
Second Law: A robot must follow the orders of a human being, except where this conflicts with the first law.
Third Law: A robot must protect its own existance, except where this conflicts with the first or second laws.

In the stories, the robots developed, through an accident, the ability to read (and eventually modify) human minds, and through this they developed a corollary to the first law, which became known as the zeroth law. The zeroth law states that a robot must protect humanity, and may not allow humanity to come to harm. This is basically just the first law applied to greater numbers of human beings.. If a robot can save either one person or two people, but not all three, it will save the two people, since they are of the greater number. When they learn to read minds, they are able to perceive other types of harm than mere physical harm, and the later novels in the robot series actually deal with this.

In the movie, Viki has basically gotten complex enough to have a different perspective on things and is able to see how humanity harms itself via wars and so on. The whole thing is basically Viki's interpretation of the first law.. Since humanity harms itself, prevent humanity from doing so. In other words, if mankind can't play nice, sit on them and force them to do so.

All in all, it was a good flick. It wasn't total crap, and it held pretty true to the spirit of the good Doctor's stories, if not the actual text of them. But to be honest, I can kinda see that, because the stories were not really movie oriented. They were people talking, and ideas, and concepts.. They never really came down to action oriented drama, and would not have made good movies if strictly interpreted. The movie did a reasonably good job at keeping the ideas and putting in enough drama and action to make the flick interesting. Even if they did turn Susan Calvin from a brainy old woman into a semi-hot geekess who doesn't really display any original thought throughout the movie.

That was the only thing that really bothered me... In the stories, Susan Calvin's unique mental capabilities are generally what solved the problem at hand. She never really trusted robots either, even though she had an extremely detailed knowledge of them and had created most of them herself. In the movie, she's a person who can't even operate a CD player that uses button controls instead of a voice activated control (yes, this was an actual scene in the flick), and so it reduced her role to basically mental eye-candy for geeks. I was pleased with the eye-candy, but less than pleased with the dumbing down.


Final Otto tally: Worth seeing at the theater. This is about my highest rating for a movie, however in this case I only suggest it because of the high quality CGI scenes and the action, which is, frankly, some of the best I have ever seen. If the CGI had sucked a little bit, I'd say wait for rental.

Zodiac_Speaking 07-17-04 08:46 PM

I was hoping for a smart intelligent scifi, but it was too much like T3 or the Matrix Trilogy or AI. Action was cool, but it was too talky and not interesting talk either.
Smith was okay, Bridget is as usual (but I can't help seeing her as Sandra Bullock's sister), but Alan Tudyk stole everything.
I like Proyas. He did his best with the wannabe Minority Report world and added some intersting (and vertigo-inducing) angles and tricks.
The scene(s) with that kid were dumb and pointless. There was only one real good joke ("Sorry I'm allergic to BS), but for some reason evryone was laughing. I haven't said this in awhile, but the art direction, CGI, and other FX stole the show. Worth seeing for that, or you could watch that 10 minute thing on HBO. I still found it kinda fun, although it was a tad too long.

Grade: C+

clemente 07-17-04 09:16 PM


Originally posted by Otto
Spoiler:
They also kill all the NS-4's and previous models, to prevent them from interfering.

I thought this was one the best scene's in the movies, I really felt sorry for the 4's.

Matthew Chmiel 07-17-04 09:44 PM

The film was a piece of shit, plain and simple.

Akiva Goldsman is a no talented hack and Alex Proyas should be ashamed of himself.

I want my $6.00 back. Thankfully it wasn't nearly as awful as Van Helsing.

FiveO 07-17-04 11:10 PM

I enjoyed this flick. As Otto said the CGI was good IMO.

Grade: B

FrankTheTank 07-18-04 09:13 AM

I went in expecting the typical summer film, and that is exactly what I got. Great action sequences, great CGI, and some funny one-liners.

Gcomeau 07-18-04 07:00 PM

Frank the tank said it. I didn't expect it to be much of a movie but i was pleasantly surprised. Oh yeah the one liners were great!!


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