9/11 Review from DVD Talk - Pure Genius...Er I Mean Trash
06-23-04, 08:18 AM
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9/11 Review from DVD Talk - Pure Trash!
For all the reveleations in Farenheit 9/11, the Bush-Bin Laden FAMILY connection is the weakest argument made in the movie. Bin Laden's FAMILY is a successful family in Saudi Arabia..Osama's family has nothig to do with his politics ... just like Patty Hearst's family was innocenet of the crimes she committted.
Besides Dick Clarke has already said he allowed those flights to leave....
I stopped reading the review after that little fun paragraph full of disninformation and innuedo
BLAH!!!
Geoff- Why don't you do some independent research from any mainstream source of news before you go around and spread Michael Moore's garbage as truth
Besides Dick Clarke has already said he allowed those flights to leave....
I stopped reading the review after that little fun paragraph full of disninformation and innuedo
BLAH!!!
Geoff- Why don't you do some independent research from any mainstream source of news before you go around and spread Michael Moore's garbage as truth
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06-23-04, 08:23 AM
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Your assertions that none of the Saudis were questioned is pure baloney as well:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm
Stop spreading trash! I expect a review under the DVD Talk banner should have the responsibility of being a little more objective than a typical forum post.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flight.htm
Stop spreading trash! I expect a review under the DVD Talk banner should have the responsibility of being a little more objective than a typical forum post.
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06-23-04, 08:53 AM
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It is pure trash that he can call this a documentary.
I understand that I have not seen it, but after all of the reviews that I have read and clips that I have seen on tv (dateline, This Week and so on), it looks like a political jab only. The only fans of this movie will be fans of Moore.
He does not responsibly back up his accusations with truth. He speculates and thats it. The interviews that I saw with him, he was caught not being able to back up his accusations.
On 'This Week', he was cornered when George S. asked him about if a Congressman had actually said that his nephew was in the military. Moore left if out of the film for obvious reasons and lied that the Congressman never said it. ABC found the transcript on Moore's website and he was proven false.
It is funny that he said he has lawyers ready to sue anyone that drudges up stuff about him. He is such a hypocrite.
I hope Brabury sues his ass for using his title!
I understand that I have not seen it, but after all of the reviews that I have read and clips that I have seen on tv (dateline, This Week and so on), it looks like a political jab only. The only fans of this movie will be fans of Moore.
He does not responsibly back up his accusations with truth. He speculates and thats it. The interviews that I saw with him, he was caught not being able to back up his accusations.
On 'This Week', he was cornered when George S. asked him about if a Congressman had actually said that his nephew was in the military. Moore left if out of the film for obvious reasons and lied that the Congressman never said it. ABC found the transcript on Moore's website and he was proven false.
It is funny that he said he has lawyers ready to sue anyone that drudges up stuff about him. He is such a hypocrite.
I hope Brabury sues his ass for using his title!
06-23-04, 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by PixyJunket
What did you expect from a site that whored out a Paris Hilton DVD Extravaganza?
What did you expect from a site that whored out a Paris Hilton DVD Extravaganza?
They defend someone (Moore) making slanderous accusations without being able to back them up, but trash a filmmaker (Mel Gibson) for his portrayal of the crucifixtion. Very hypocritical!
It seems that this is a very liberal site.
I will probably be banned now.
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06-23-04, 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by RockStrongo
Or from a site that trashed 'Passion of the Christ'.
Or from a site that trashed 'Passion of the Christ'.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=9716
06-23-04, 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by Jason Bovberg
Just for you, Rock.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=9716
Just for you, Rock.
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=9716
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=9664
06-23-04, 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Groucho
I'm not sure what The Passion of the Christ has to do with FH911 in the first place.
I'm not sure what The Passion of the Christ has to do with FH911 in the first place.
06-23-04, 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Groucho
I'm not sure what The Passion of the Christ has to do with FH911 in the first place.
I'm not sure what The Passion of the Christ has to do with FH911 in the first place.
I am just talking about reviews and how liberal Kleinman seems. He can trash POTC and say that it is "Gospel according to Mel", but says that 9/11 is a great film.
And to make bold statements that even Moore cannot fully support....
"Bush ordered that members of the Bin Laden family (along with some other Saudi nationals) be flown out of the country. This happened without one investigator having any opportunity to question them in any way. Mind blowing."
This has been disproven by the FBI and Richard Clarke. But, Moore can say these things and pass them off as truth.
Lets be honest, if Moore can do it, so can Mel.
GK has the right to his opinion, but I have the right to point out mine.
06-23-04, 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by RockStrongo
I am just talking about reviews and how liberal Kleinman seems.
I am just talking about reviews and how liberal Kleinman seems.
06-23-04, 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by Groucho
So, Kleinman is liberal. So what? So is Ebert and he gave rave reviews to both films. Are film reviewers not allowed to have political opinions?
So, Kleinman is liberal. So what? So is Ebert and he gave rave reviews to both films. Are film reviewers not allowed to have political opinions?
Personally, I get annoyed when politics and movies get mixed.
I like Ebert and his ability to be impartial is one of the reasons. Yes, he is a liberal, but usually does not let his politics sway his view of a film. My problem is not someone being a liberal or conservative.
Kleinman obviously does let his politics affect his view of a film.
06-23-04, 09:23 AM
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Yeah but Ebert also trashed Moore for inaccurate facts in Bowling...somethign the DVDTalk review happily goes along with and expounds on with the FBI-Bin Laden airplane crap
http://www.suntimes.com/output/eb-fe...r-moore18.html
Here is where Ebert takes Moore to task about the facts from Bowling
The DVD Talk review seems happy to regurgitate the wrong facts.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/eb-fe...r-moore18.html
Here is where Ebert takes Moore to task about the facts from Bowling
The pitfall for Moore is not subjectivity, but accuracy. We expect him to hold an opinion and argue it, but we also require his facts to be correct. I was an admirer of his previous doc, the Oscar-winning "Bowling for Columbine," until I discovered that some of his "facts" were wrong, false or fudged.
06-23-04, 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by Trigger
Shouldn't this thread be in the reviews section since it's about a review? Also - this thread makes me nervous.
Shouldn't this thread be in the reviews section since it's about a review? Also - this thread makes me nervous.
Kleinman has his outlet (his reviews) and we have ours (this forum). As long as everyone stays civil, then it should remain open.
But, this thread will probably get closed at some point.
06-23-04, 09:25 AM
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Shouldn't this thread be in the reviews section since it's about a review? Also - this thread makes me nervous.
06-23-04, 09:27 AM
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It turns out that President Bush and other top members of his administration had nothing to do with the decision to let members of Osama bin Laden's family depart the United States in the days immediately after 9/11, despite the suggestions of Democratic Senators Barbara Boxer of California and Charles Schumer of New York.
Clarke, the former White House counter-terrorism official and author of a recent book blasting the Bush administration's handling of intelligence leading up to the terrorist attacks, told The Hill newspaper last week that he gave the go-ahead for two members of the bin Laden family and other Saudi nationals to leave the U.S.
"It didn't get any higher than me," Clarke told The Hill . "I take responsibility for it. I don't think it was a mistake, and I'd do it again."
Clarke, the former White House counter-terrorism official and author of a recent book blasting the Bush administration's handling of intelligence leading up to the terrorist attacks, told The Hill newspaper last week that he gave the go-ahead for two members of the bin Laden family and other Saudi nationals to leave the U.S.
"It didn't get any higher than me," Clarke told The Hill . "I take responsibility for it. I don't think it was a mistake, and I'd do it again."
06-23-04, 09:27 AM
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I would hope that Kleinman would edit his review and put that Moore's facts have not been proven and that they are based on very limited information and alot of speculation.
06-23-04, 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by kicker_of_elves
Have you seen the movie yet?
Have you seen the movie yet?
If it were free, then I would.
But, please do not give the "Well, if you havent seen it then you cannot criticize it" speech. We all know the jist of the movie by the reviews, articles and interviews with Moore.
06-23-04, 09:29 AM
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Have you seen the movie yet?
No matter what your political point of view, it's hard not to find Fahrenheit 9/11 extremely shocking and unsettling. One of the biggest jaw dropping revelations in the film is the clearly documented, deep connections between the Bush and Bin Laden families. I know, it's hard to believe, but no one's making this stuff up! This connection between the two families runs so deep that while all commercial airlines were grounded after 9/11, Bush ordered that members of the Bin Laden family (along with some other Saudi nationals) be flown out of the country. This happened without one investigator having any opportunity to question them in any way. Mind blowing
I don't need to see the movie to refute that. Dick Clarke, no friend of Bush refutes that
"It didn't get any higher than me," Clarke told The Hill . "I take responsibility for it. I don't think it was a mistake, and I'd do it again."