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Old 05-14-04 | 03:25 PM
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I couldn't even finish watching this movie. I didn't like it one bit. I do like The West Side Story and Dancing in the Rain, but Chicago was just terrrible. I haven't seen MR yet and after seeing Chicago, I'm not sure I want to.
Old 05-14-04 | 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by purplechoe
I couldn't even finish watching this movie. I didn't like it one bit. I do like The West Side Story and Dancing in the Rain, but Chicago was just terrrible. I haven't seen MR yet and after seeing Chicago, I'm not sure I want to.
yeah your'e right, there seems to more dancing than singing in Singing in the Rain
Old 05-14-04 | 04:57 PM
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I couldn't even finish watching this movie. I didn't like it one bit. I do like The West Side Story and Dancing in the Rain, but Chicago was just terrrible. I haven't seen MR yet and after seeing Chicago, I'm not sure I want to.
MR is way better than Chicago. I'm not really into musicals, but enjoyed MR quite a bit.
Old 05-14-04 | 05:59 PM
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Wow Mr. Broadway, no need to get all fiesty. I don't suppose bird cage is your favorite movie?
Hated it and hated the French version too.
Old 05-14-04 | 06:02 PM
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I didn't care for Chicago. Watched it and felt I had wasted my time. I did like MR however.
Old 05-14-04 | 09:57 PM
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I thought it was entertaining, but still really over-rated.
Old 05-14-04 | 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by marty888
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"miscast, too-old Richard Gere" - guess you wanted some teeny-bopper flavor of the month to play a world-weary and cynical lawyer. [/B]
You guessed wrong. George Clooney, Hugh Jackman(who was offered the role but turned it down), or numerous other actors would've been better for the role of Billy Flynn.
Old 05-15-04 | 01:42 AM
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I didn't like Chicago, and I liked it even less after all the Oscars and hype it got. This movie is hugely over-rated. It has no real meaning, and it's all flash. Anyway, I liked Moulin Rouge, because at least that was innovative and entertaining, and told in an interesting way.
Old 05-15-04 | 04:00 AM
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I was thoroughly disappointed in Chicago. It's not worthy to be mentioned in the same sentence with Moulin Rouge. Its "biting" commentary on showbusiness is lame to say the least (Singin' in the Rain does that so much better), the performances are contrived, the stars seem tired, the songs aren't really any good, and the story is badly constructed to boot.

But what bothers me the most about the film is that it gets the very essence of the movie musical all wrong. By placing most of the elaborate song-and-dance sequences in the characters' imaginations and fantasies instead of the movie's reality, we never get that excuisite sense of a world brimming with music, grand emotions and movement. All good musicals are set in a "musical realty" of sorts; Moulin Rouge certainly is, and Chicago, depressingly, is not.

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Old 05-15-04 | 09:48 AM
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While Moulin Rouge is depressing, it is one of the best movie I've ever seen. While Chicago ended I couldn't help but feel hollow. It was good, but didn't have that greatness that Moulin Rouge had. How the hell did it win Best Picture?
Old 05-15-04 | 11:31 AM
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Wow Mr. Broadway, no need to get all fiesty. I don't suppose bird cage is your favorite movie?
What a lame attempt to guess someone's sexuality.

Hated Birdcage before I came out. Still hate it afterwards.

Chicago, on the other hand, is one of my all-time favorites. And I saw it before most people did so totally wasn't influenced by the public at large. In fact, I think I was one of the first people to post about it on these very boards. Absolutely fantastic.

this movie sucked ass. anyone can look good dancing if you are changing the camera angle every 1.6 seconds....awful terrible camerawork. It gave me a headache.
That's funny. Headache is exactly how I felt after Moulin Rouge. Either that or I felt like I had just had a stroke.
Old 05-15-04 | 01:02 PM
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Chicago was the best movie of 2002. Just a staggeringly great experience.

Moulin Rouge was, in comparison, utter shit. Headache-inducing garbage for those who enjoy spoonfed, MTV-style editing over anything remotely substantial. All IMHO, of course, but MR is simply garbage.
Old 05-15-04 | 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by Tyler_Durden
I was thoroughly disappointed in Chicago. It's not worthy to be mentioned in the same sentence with Moulin Rouge. It's "biting" commentary on showbusiness is lame to say the least (Singin' in the Rain does that so much better), the performances are contrived, the stars seem tired, the songs aren't really any good, and the story is badly constructed to boot.

But what bothers me the most about the film is that it gets the very essence of the movie musical all wrong. By placing most of the elaborate song-and-dance sequences in the characters' imaginations and fantasies instead of the movie's reality, we never get that excuisite sense of a world brimming with music, grand emotions and movement. All good musicals are set in a "musical realty" of sorts; Moulin Rouge certainly is, and Chicago, depressingly, is not.
Old 05-15-04 | 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by Matt Millheiser
Chicago was the best movie of 2002.

Guess you missed About Schmidt, The Pianist, Bloody Sunday, Rabbit-Proof Fence, Hable con ella, Spirited Away, Adaptation, LOTR: The Two Towers, 24-Hour Party People, and Y Tu Mama Tambien. All are pretty good, and all better than Chicago
Old 05-15-04 | 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by Corvin
Haphazard direction? An elaboration would be appreciated---
Rob Marshall's got an ugly style. He tries to fit too much in, editing stuff together too quickly. As a result, for example, we don't get to see Richard Gere dancing; we get to see his back, his legs, a quick shot from the side, and a silhouette... never a good shot of him dancing, though.
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"lazy, haphazard direction" - indicates a total lack of appreciation of movie-making and the function of the director or an understanding of the material.
That's a little insulting to Rivero, don't you think?

As for my opinion - I really like Chicago, though the oscar was undeserved, and an american actor (with a better voice)should have played Velma. Bear in mind, I'm a Catherine Zeta-Jones fan; I've followed her performances in movies and TV for more than ten years.

Also... the fact that Matt Millheiser, quite possibly my favourite critic, hated Moulin Rouge puzzles and saddens me.
Old 05-15-04 | 08:13 PM
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Chicago, BOW before your MASTER!!

Old 05-15-04 | 11:37 PM
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Hey...

Don't knock Evita. I adore that movie. High flying adored that movie.
Old 05-16-04 | 12:26 AM
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Rob Marshall's got an ugly style. He tries to fit too much in, editing stuff together too quickly. As a result, for example, we don't get to see Richard Gere dancing; we get to see his back, his legs, a quick shot from the side, and a silhouette... never a good shot of him dancing, though. That's a little insulting to Rivero, don't you think?
Thanks for the other take, but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree (seems to be a rarity in this thread, so much anger!). I think Marshall did a fine job. I wouldn't say that it was an excellently directed movie, but I don't think it was clumbsy/lousy. I think the direction/editing was solid.
Old 05-16-04 | 06:19 AM
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Chicago was one of the worst movies iv ever seen!


Moulin Rouge was one of the best!

nuff said
Old 05-17-04 | 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Rivero
Guess you missed About Schmidt
Liked it. Didn't love it
The Pianist
Amazing film.
Bloody Sunday,
Didn't see it.
Rabbit-Proof Fence
Heartwrenchingly good. What happened to Phillip Noyce? He who was once one of my most loathed directors came back blazing with both "The Quiet American" and "Rabbit-Proof Fence"? Amazing!
Hable con ella
Sweet Christ, how I love this movie. How I love Almdovar! See my review bio for my one (and only) interaction with this master. I'm still weeping tears of regret.
Spirited Away
Not my favorite Miyazaki. A magical adventure of wonderful film, but I prefer Kiki, Totorro, Porco Rosso, and especially Laputa.
Adaptation
The most impressive work by both Jonze and Kaufman, both individually and as a team.
LOTR: The Two Towers,
My least favorite of the trilogy. Came out disappointed the first time I saw, liked it much more after a second viewing but still not even in my Top 10 that year.
24-Hour Party People
Didn't see it.
and Y Tu Mama Tambien
Great cast, great performances, solid direction but overrated.
All are pretty good, and all better than Chicago
Certainly a fine group of films. I'll revise my statement and say that Chicago was my "favorite" film of 2002. Of those you listed, only Hable con ella would chart higher in terms on my list of "best" films.
Old 05-17-04 | 11:47 PM
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Also... the fact that Matt Millheiser, quite possibly my favourite critic, hated Moulin Rouge puzzles and saddens me.
Aw... shucks! *blush*

If it makes you feel any better, I really loved MR when I first saw it in theaters.... but on DVD, I felt the Emperor had no clothes. I do like cake, though.
Old 05-18-04 | 03:29 AM
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I liked both Chicago and Moulin Rouge but overall thought that MR was a better film. I would have preferred it if MR had an original score rather than recycle Elton John songs.
Old 05-21-04 | 03:37 PM
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Re: The brilliance that is Chicago.

Originally posted by GatorDeb
I saw it when it first came out and liked it. I saw it on the bus to the Grand Canyon and loved it
Whoa, I saw Grand Canyon while on a bus to Chicago.
Old 05-21-04 | 05:04 PM
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Both movies are great in their own way.
I enjoyed both of these movies.

I also enjoy both the Star Wars and LOTR movies.

Why choose when you can have both?
Old 05-22-04 | 03:30 AM
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I really don't understand all the hate for either movies. All of the arguements in this thread are purely an opinion stated as fact. If you didn't like it then fine. No need to senslessly bash it or make up facts. They were both well done movies. Obviously neither are the worst movie ever made and if you think they are you need to watch more movies.

I for one loved both of them.


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