Bingo.

No mention of the Fifth Element yet?

...just as "HiFi" is far, far away from "High Fidelity", and "DVD" is far, far away from "Digital Versatile Disc", and "CD" is far, far away from "Compact Disc", and "TV" is far, far away from "Television", and "TPOTC" is far, far away from "The Passion Of The Christ", and...

(How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?)

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I am so not going into this argument again. Believe what you wanna believe dude.

This has been discussed in this very thread. "Sci-Fi" isn't just an abbreviation. It carries a different meaning.

Is it so much to ask that people keep up with the thread before inserting their ... *ahem* ... witty remarks?

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...cience+fiction

This says star wars is science fiction

Or this if you like
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article...%20fiction&ct=

Either way someone who say Star wars is not science fiction is in a very small minorty,the majority of the world will tell you that star wars is science fiction,now any one can come on a newsgroup and blow smoke up your butt and tell you that singin in the rain is a war movie or that star wars is not a science fiction movie but that does'nt make it so

And just because the majority believes something, also..."does'nt make it so"...or another way of making this point is...

Blockbuster says Star Wars is Science Fiction...how could Blockbuster be wrong, I mean they are BLOCKBUSTER for goodness sakes!

No, it doesn't. This defines science fiction as:

fiction dealing principally with the impact of actual or imagined science on society or individuals or having a scientific factor as an essential orienting component

Show me how the "force" is science.

The same. This is a definition that doesn't include Star Wars.

And the majority of the world will tell you that evolution is a hoax, and that the Earth is really 4,000 years old. The majority of the world will tell you a whole lot of things.

Read a bit about logical fallacy. Find the fallacy called "Appeal to majority." An argument of "most people think this, therefore it's true," is a laughably bad argument, generally posed by someone unwilling or unable to come to independant decisions.

In other words, it makes you look stupid.

I find Event Horizon to be more of a Horror genre film, made in a sci-fi setting

good "Science Drama" film - Contact

Popular opinion is nonsense for this discussion, but if it makes you feel better, we had a poll on this exact topic a few years back (that appears to have disappeared over time), and the forum was split right down the middle. The last time I saw it, "not science fiction" was ahead by 3 votes, but given that there were hundreds of votes cast, that's hardly a convincing "victory." Suffice it to say that there is not this "very small minority" of which you speak. Granted Movie Talk is a bit more educated and informed that the average public, so it's not a particularly good statistical sample, but on this issue, I'd argue that the opinion of informed movie-goers is a bit more valuable than those who may or may not have even seen the film.

Not that it matters, though, since popular opinion does not dictate accuracy. If it did, we'd have to start adding words like "irregardlessly" to the lexicon.

das

"Sci-Fi" isn't just an abbreviation. It carries a different meaning.

...ahh... I see... mine eyes have been opened... like I always say: an attentive, alert person visiting the internet can learn something new every day...

(How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?)

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You can pretend there is no history behind the use of the term sci-fi all you like, and that will serve you well if ignorance is your goal. It must be nice to be able to discount any new information that you "learn" if it doesn't fit in with your previously held beliefs.




(how big of a pin are we talking about here?)

Its not just not Blockbuster that considers Star Wars Sci-fi its every retail store on the planet,for christ sakes it does'nt matter where you go whether it be barnes and noble or borders(Star Wars books) or wal mart, target, best buy, circuit city (Star Wars movies) any store you can think of Star Wars is listed as sci-fi,and you can come up with any lame ass excuses you want why it is'nt sci-fi,but you will still be blowing smoke up peoples ass,what part of this don't you guys get,Star Wars is sci-fi end of story

Well, I'm convinced.

das

To be fair to Blcobuster, I was only using that store to represent all of the Best Buy's, Targets, etc. They operate on the 'keep it simple stupid" principle. If you actually have to think before you decide what section to peruse, that is bad for business. Once again, if we are looking to these sources to help us define our genres, then this discussion need not go any further, b/c we perceive and interpret things in very different ways.

In my entire time as a member of this forum i have never heard a good solid arguement on why Star Wars should not be considered sci-fi,all i hear is a lot of double talk that can be easealy refuted,sure people like to play devils advocate and such but c'mon people this is a gimme,Star Wars is sci-fi always has been always will be,people that don't agree will post long elequent storys on why it should'nt be,but any two year old can see past there convuleted logic

Why they persist in such notions is beyond me(other than the devils advocate therory)this is a no brainer star wars is sci-fi always has been always will be,and although i am not the most elequent story teller(or typist,speller,lol) that has ever graced these boards do not fall prey to this ridicoulous notion that Star Wars is not sci-fi

Nobody said Star Wars wasn't "Sci-Fi". It is. I totally agree.

But it is not, nor has it ever been, "Science Fiction". Too many solid arguments have been presented against this notion, and none have been put forward to support it.

But if you want to judge an item's validity by going by whatever Blockbuster, Target, and Walmart say, vaya con pollo my friend.

I have never seen a solid argument that Star Wars is not science fiction,perhaps you will indulge me with the first

Oh. OH! Geez, you know, I was sitting here waiting for a good, solid argument to come along, and by god, it did. K-Mart said so!

LOL. And, by the way, most of the folks here have said that Star Wars is "sci-fi." What we're telling you is that it's not "science fiction."
Did you forget your Ritalin today?

Read the thread, genius. It's been explained at least three times. It's not science fiction because it relies on MAGIC.

Any story that relies on magic is not science fiction..

Oh great mgbfan thats just the argument that i was looking for to sway my decesion,could you add anything to that so i could be positive lol,this is just the thing that i have been saying,nobody has ever even come close to a solid argument that star wars is not science fiction, and yes i have read the thread,i must have missed the three times that the powers that be have declared Star Wars not science fiction,so maybe you could be a helpful gent and spell them out for me,and as hard as it may be for you to believe,relegion or magic can be part of a science fiction story,GEEZ when will this end

I don't say this to be rude, but you've barely been here less than a year. In the 5 years I've been here, we've argued the hell out of this and presented incredibly detailed and IMO compelling reasons for why Star Wars is or is not science fiction. It's unfortunate that those discussions were not archived, but the way you so completely and utterly dismiss the mere thought that those who say it isn't may in fact have a point, refering to the concept as a "lame ass excuse" and a "ridiculous notion", I'm not sure those discussions would be of any value anyway. We've discussed this so many times, you can find discussions about how we're tired of discussing it if you search on the topic.

Frankly, I don't see why you care so damn much. Fantasy is an incredible genre, and the original Star Wars trilogy is a wonderful representation of some of the genre's best characteristics. As a science fiction film, it's downright terrible, but as a fantasy film, it's amazing. And there's nothing wrong with that, because it's not intended to be science fiction. It's fantasy in space. It's the classic hero's quest -- separation, initiation, return -- building on the foundations of Homer and Tolkein. It wouldn't matter if the setting were the high seas, and Han was a boat captain, and Luke fought with a sword, and they bounced from island to island instead of planet to planet. The story would remain the same. It isn't about technology's effect on man, it isn't an analysis of the human condition ... it's a hero's quest. It embodies the very heart of the fantasy genre, and I would think any fan of the franchise would be proud to consider it one of the truly great fantasy epics of the modern age.

das

So tell us josuff247 which ones did you watch?

Star Wars is a Western with Laser pistols and space ships

during the scenen where Luke is out overlooking the plains at night and we have the sad, sorrow, hero music, I can almost hear the classic western trill....Doo dee doo dee dooooooo.....waaaa waaaa waaaaaaaa