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Oraphus 04-29-04 12:21 PM

Open Range - sucked really bad
 
Saw Open Range yesterday... damn.. the longest 138 minutes and 14 seconds of my life.
Not only did they re-use every possible cliche of a western movie... but the predictable generic and horribly slow dialog, plot and storyline helps to put this movie way up on my shit list.
The only saving grace of this movie was the landscapes and pretty decent acting ... which still could not save the terrible plot.

DonnachaOne 04-29-04 12:24 PM

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Michael Corvin 04-29-04 12:38 PM

Well, proof that opinions are like a**holes. Everyone's got one. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

wanted to get in before the lock. ;)

Rypro 525 04-29-04 12:42 PM

hated it also. too slow for my tastes (although the gun fight was good)

Josh H 04-29-04 12:46 PM

I hated it as well. Boring, and exteremely cliched.

devilshalo 04-29-04 12:55 PM

Liked it.. except for the ending.

antennaball 04-29-04 01:01 PM

Decent western. Really, really slow but tolerable.

smirnoff 04-29-04 01:07 PM

Amazing gun fight, good acting, slow movie. But worth watching for the gunfight alone imo.

PAG 04-29-04 01:30 PM

I thought it was a good movie. Very underrated.

MonkeyG 04-29-04 02:20 PM


Originally posted by smirnoff
Amazing gun fight, good acting, slow movie. But worth watching for the gunfight alone imo.
:lol: I was horribly confused, thought everyone was talking about Disney's Home on the Range.

PixyJunket 04-29-04 02:32 PM


Originally posted by MonkeyG
:lol: I was horribly confused, thought everyone was talking about Disney's Home on the Range.
Whew.. glad I wasn't the only one. I was like, 138 minutes?!

steebo777 04-29-04 02:54 PM

I thought it was a damn fine western.

TheOne 04-29-04 03:08 PM

Enjoyed it. Slow but fun gunfights. I'll say it is a different western compared with Tombstone or American Outlaws or Texas Rangers.

Supreme Sean 04-29-04 03:45 PM

A great western. Duvall and Costner are superb, and the gunfight is one of the best I've ever seen. Solid , unpretentious direction from Costner. Grade : B +

silent 04-29-04 04:13 PM

I really liked it too. Good acting, good cast, great cinematography & music. Then again I like allmost all movies with Costner and most of them are movies that are have a slow pace.

The Dude 04-29-04 04:19 PM

Yup, gotta agree with the above opinions. Didn't even mind the fact that it took its time to tell its story. Although the idea of Costner as a Civil War "special forces" soldier did make me think of John Cusack in Grosse Pointe Blank and his "certain moral flexibility".

Sessa17 04-29-04 04:47 PM


Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
I hated it as well. Boring, and exteremely cliched.
What he said. I'm a HUUUUUUGE western fan & even a big Kostner fan, but this movie was just one long cliched filled turd, with absolutely NO interesting characters. Thought Duval's performance was extremely bland, the movie lacked a good bad guy. Kostner was the only decent part, & he wasn't that good, just better compared to he rest of the movie.

chente 04-29-04 04:57 PM

It was "aight"

slop101 04-29-04 05:09 PM

Those who thought this was slow: I'd hate to see what you think of the best western ever made (Once Upon A Time In The West).

Seeker 04-29-04 06:00 PM

Spoiler:
I did like how they took out the "bad dude who can kill us all" with a single shot to the head - and then moved on.

Oraphus 04-29-04 06:06 PM

the thing is it was one big built up to one gun fight.. it's a western with one gun fight WTF!? .... that took about two hours to develop.

silentbob007 04-29-04 06:22 PM

I liked it, but probably wouldn't have if I hadn't of seen it expecting a fast paced movie.

QuiGonJosh 04-29-04 07:12 PM

best western since Tombstone...

chente 04-29-04 07:24 PM

I like the DTS track. I nearly jumped out of my skin when that first gunshot went off!

flashburn 04-29-04 07:35 PM

Kick ass movie! Kevin Costner is great in it, along with Robert Duvall.

Rypro 525 04-29-04 07:38 PM

is there any reason why this is R? there is no blood and guts that you would expect from an R movie?

The Dude 04-29-04 08:02 PM


Originally posted by Rypro 525
is there any reason why this is R? there is no blood and guts that you would expect from an R movie?
None that I can remember, do they drop a coupla f-bombs? :lol:

Rypro 525 04-29-04 08:05 PM

no

Dr. DVD 04-29-04 08:15 PM

Saw it back in August in theaters. Thought it was good, but nothing exceptional. The movie alternated between being really good and really pretentious. Good gunfight though.

Joe Molotov 04-29-04 08:46 PM


Originally posted by Rypro 525
is there any reason why this is R? there is no blood and guts that you would expect from an R movie?
They do have a guy getting shot in the head at point-blank range. That and a healthy smathering of language of and violence is enough I think for an R rating.

Get Me Coffee 04-29-04 09:32 PM

I wouldnt go as far as saying it sucked. It was pretty good. Tombstone still the best modern age western to date.

Sessa17 04-29-04 09:35 PM


Originally posted by slop101
Those who thought this was slow: I'd hate to see what you think of the best western ever made (Once Upon A Time In The West).
I pointed out how I hated Open Range b/c of it being slow & what I think of OUATITW is it's masterfully paced & filmed filled with large than life, classic western characters. Open Range, is just plain slow, overloaded with western cliches & filled with hollow, empty poor western archetypes. I don't know what OUATITW has to do with Open Range & why you would hate to see what one thinks about it.

jasonbird 04-30-04 09:43 AM

Open Range is very good.

Jason

slop101 04-30-04 09:44 AM


Originally posted by Sessa17
... Open Range, is just plain slow ...
I don't know what OUATITW has to do with Open Range & why you would hate to see what one thinks about it.

I absolutely love OUATITW, but I believe it to be very, very slow - but unlike most of you, I don't think that slow = boring. Most of the criticisms levied on OR could be applied to OUATITW. Open Range isn't anywhere near as good, but one quality they share is slowness - they are paced very similarly - but I don't think that makes either of them a boring film at all. The Rundown, for example is never slow, but it is very boring.

jdpatri 04-30-04 11:03 AM

I can easily see why people disliked this film, but I found it to be a great throwback to the classic westerns. I didn't particularly think it was too slow - there was some great tension building throughout the entire movie.

Count me among Costner's supporters on this one.

Frank TJ Mackey 04-30-04 11:08 AM

Completely disagree.

You pretty much have to get on "Being John Malkovich" level of weirdness to make any truly original anymore.

Everything has already been made, cliches are everywhere.

I'll see anything with Robert Duvall and Annette Bening.

HistoryProf 04-30-04 11:46 AM

my comments from the original thread that no one seems capable of resurrecting....


Originally posted by brizz
Well I finally got to watch this last night and have to say I was might underwhelmed. I'm really surprised to at all the raves actually, as I felt like it was a great Western ruined by excess. The Costner-Bening stuff was just way too over-the-top, and the last 15 minutes should have been excised entirely. Of course, Costner has to add romance to it all, but imho, it just ruined the pacing and took us right out of the heart of the movie every time they went there. The shootout is fantastic, as is the open range stuff, but the score is melodrama at its worst, and the romance just stifles everything. I thought there was a great western in there, but it was only about 1:45 long...NOT 2:15. It was, in a word, way too Costnerized - and this coming from a huge fan of DWW and proud owner of the 4 hour "euro-cut."

These two blurbs said it best for me from RT:

"Somewhere in there is a pretty good western. If only we could see more of it amid the ballast."
-- Rob Vaux, FLIPSIDE MOVIE EMPORIUM

"Kevin Costner's new Western is a showdown movie in the mold of High Noon, but because it's Costner, nothing really happens until, like, 3:15."
-- Gary Thompson, PHILADELPHIA DAILY NEWS


And I should say that I LOVE westerns...but anyone claiming this is one of the best ever is just delusional, and I think just starved for good new westerns. Costner filled a void for us fans of the genre, but that doesn't automatically equal excellence. It's like that smashed up sandwich you eat at the top of a mountain after a five hour hike - you'd swear it was the best one you've ever had, but only becuase you are starving and exhausted. It was by no means a bad movie, but hardly a "cinematic triumph" as the back cover declares. I'm sorry i wasted best buy bucks on it - but at least I was able to sell it immediately.


cheapskate 04-30-04 11:54 AM

I hated it...

But it's still one of the best western's I've ever seen! :eek:

But what did everyone expect? It's a genre piece. Utterly traditional western about grumbling men seeking revenge. Sensibly made, overly long... a classic "western" IMO. I can't imagine anyone going in with any other expectations, especially after seeing the trailers. I was "forced" to watch it by a western-loving co-worker, and found it no better or worse than my pre-conceived notion.

That slo-motion shotgun blast was cool though... :thumbsup: :D

FinkPish 04-30-04 01:06 PM

I didn't mind the length at all. I enjoyed the fact that the film took its time. It seemed to reinforce the idea that Duvall and Costner's characters weren't all hot to get themselves mixed up with the Sheriff, they tried to avoid it until it was inevitable. The romance aspect was also nicely paced. If they had fallen in love within an hour, I would have probably just rolled my eyes. Again, they avoided the subject until the last possible moment.

Of course, what everyone has said about archetypes and genres is true, it is very difficult to make an original western anymore. I disagree that they were "hollow and empty" though. They spent plenty of time setting up the back stories of both characters; to me they were both very real. I find it strange that most complaints I hear about movies nowadays is that they don't spend time developing the characters, and when a film finally does, people complain that it is too long and drawn out, and there should have been more action. I read the same complaints about Master and Commander, another film that took its time to develop the characters, and still got slammed for being too long.

I wouldn't say this is "the best western ever," but since we rarely get them in the theaters, I will say this is the best one I've seen recently.

nightmaster 04-30-04 07:26 PM

Doesn't suck in the least. Great Western in the way some of the 70's westerns were made, with some depth and a good story. Duvall should have gotten a supporting actor nod for this one.
I am continually amazed at how many "this movies sucks' threads the forum here manages to grind out. Lighten up for Chrissakes.


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