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Corvin 04-21-04 12:36 AM

Missing Kill Bill fight?
 
Hey, maybe this has been discussed in another thread, but I don't recall it being brought up.

In the original Kill Bill teaser trailer (it can be found on the DVD, FYI), there is a glimpse of a black man in Eastern-style clothing swinging a samurai sword around. It wasn't in Volume 1, and I didn't see it in Volume 2 either.

Anyone know what's up with this dude? Anyone know what the scene was about, and maybe why it got cut?

Much grass.

Tarantino 04-21-04 12:47 AM

I noticed that too.

Mondo Kane 04-21-04 01:13 AM

It was a scene where "The Bride"witnesses first hand of Bill carrying out a mission.
http://www.alternight.com/images/nightly/bill.jpg
In this sequence he takes out 3 Chinese assassins and fights Michael Jai White.

Coming soon to deleted scenes.

Removed "The Bride's" name - Blake

Jackskeleton 04-21-04 01:27 AM

There is a lot of these threads of subject matter already covered in the MANY Kill bill threads already around.

Mondo has it down correctly.

Mondo Kane 04-21-04 01:44 AM

Another little scene that has gone missing is Elle Driver firing an M-16 outdoors at someone. This can be briefly seen in one of the bootleg trailers on the cd for the Vol-1 soundtrack.

andybrew 04-21-04 01:33 PM

You know, when they purposefully dont include a name and even go as far to BEEP it out of the film, it would be nice to not just see it in a random post. Thats what spoilers are for. You think maybe you could have referred to her as the Bride even. Ive been trying to avoid seeing this, but now its too late, and i didnt even have a choice.

PixyJunket 04-21-04 01:39 PM

You purposefully entered a Kill Bill thread before actually watching the movie.. so y'know..

steebo777 04-21-04 02:05 PM

And it doesn't even reveal anything crucial.

Robert 04-21-04 02:07 PM

I wish he had kept that scene in the movie. But I guess QT was striving for Vol. 1 to be all action and Vol. 2 to be all talk.

PixyJunket 04-21-04 02:11 PM


Originally posted by Robert
I wish he had kept that scene in the movie. But I guess QT was striving for Vol. 1 to be all action and Vol. 2 to be all talk.
Actually, it was taken out because it was meant as Bill's introduction to the audience, and he decided the introduction at the wedding chapel was ultimately a better and more powerful introduction, and I agree 100% on that. I loved the hell out of that scene.

Mr. Salty 04-21-04 02:37 PM

OK, first, the grammarian in me has to point out there is a difference between the words "purposely" and "purposefully," and here we're talking about purposely entering a thread. That said ...


Originally posted by PixyJunket
You purposefully entered a Kill Bill thread before actually watching the movie.. so y'know..
Then why did God invent spoiler tags?

The thread title is vague and could have been about a fight missing in Vol. 1.

PixyJunket 04-21-04 03:04 PM


Originally posted by Mr. Salty
OK, first, the grammarian in me has to point out there is a difference between the words "purposely" and "purposefully," and here we're talking about purposely entering a thread. That said ...

Then why did God invent spoiler tags?

The thread title is vague and could have been about a fight missing in Vol. 1.

Noted proper use of purposely (actually, I just coped what the previous poster had typed, I was being lazy.. I would like to think I'd normally use the word properly).

Spoiler tags, yes, they are good. But you can't expect to poke around and not get burned. Potentially anything you read about a movie could be spoiler laden without warning; I've read many things I wish I hadn't but I accept that's the price I pay for peeking as opposed to expecting everybody to cater to my having not seen the movie. Now, proper spoiler tag use is always up for debate on where it's needed or not, or when to stop using them, etc.. but the only guaranteed way to be safe is abstinence.

The Antipodean 04-21-04 03:15 PM


Originally posted by PixyJunket
Spoiler tags, yes, they are good. But you can't expect to poke around and not get burned. Potentially anything you read about a movie could be spoiler laden without warning; I've read many things I wish I hadn't but I accept that's the price I pay for peeking as opposed to expecting everybody to cater to my having not seen the movie.
:thumbsup: Spoilers in thread titles, I can see, but when you come in and bitch about having a movie spoiled for you (and it hardly is crucial info as others have pointed out), maybe you shouldn't have read the thread in the first place. I chose not to read any KB threads until I got a chance to see it. Not that hard to do.

Shannon Nutt 04-21-04 03:30 PM


Originally posted by andybrew
You know, when they purposefully dont include a name and even go as far to BEEP it out of the film, it would be nice to not just see it in a random post. Thats what spoilers are for. You think maybe you could have referred to her as the Bride even. Ive been trying to avoid seeing this, but now its too late, and i didnt even have a choice.
Yes, this will ruin the entire film for you! [insert sarcasm here]

Blake 04-21-04 07:55 PM

Major spoiler or not, nowhere in the thread title did it make a reference to Volume 2 and in Volume 1, The Bride's name was not revealed and protected as a secret. Therefore, it should be in spoiler tags - whether it ruins the film or not.

DeltaSigChi4 04-22-04 11:29 AM


Originally posted by PixyJunket
Actually, it was taken out because it was meant as Bill's introduction to the audience, and he decided the introduction at the wedding chapel was ultimately a better and more powerful introduction, and I agree 100% on that. I loved the hell out of that scene.
I'll reserve stating which introduction was better until after watching the deleted fight scene. Of course, QT decided on the long slow drawn-out chapel scene - so that is what we must come to accept.

harosa 04-22-04 03:35 PM

I for one believe this fight should have been in the movie to at least show Bill being able to handle himself, to me all he looked like he was capable of was holding a gun and spouting philosophy.

PixyJunket 04-22-04 03:44 PM


Originally posted by harosa
I for one believe this fight should have been in the movie to at least show Bill being able to handle himself, to me all he looked like he was capable of was holding a gun and spouting philosophy.
See, this is the reason I liked that it wasn't included. I love the "mysterious" bad-ass factor he's got going in the movie current. I think it works better only hearing or thinking about what he can really do, but that's just me; I'm a sucker for something being setup having to actually SHOW the audience.

harosa 04-22-04 08:15 PM

While I think he acted his ass of I didnt get the feeling that he was a bad ass that can handle himself in a fight. Just me I guess.

Jackskeleton 04-22-04 08:36 PM

Must have been just you. I fully was under the impression that he was a bad ass. Hell the shooting itself was showing how he was one bad ass.

jaeufraser 04-22-04 08:59 PM

Well I cannot comment if QT made the right choice in not including it, but hey I loved the movies, so I'm not complaining. All I want is to see the scene as a deleted scene. That'll make me happy.

Also, I had heard rumors of a second anime segment being produced that was supposed to be in Vol. 2. Was that cut, or am I just imagining things?

Jackskeleton 04-22-04 09:09 PM

That seems to be the word going around the camp fire. Running long as it was and just was cut. Hopefully on the dvd.

Mondo Kane 04-22-04 11:01 PM


Originally posted by jaeufraser

Also, I had heard rumors of a second anime segment being produced that was supposed to be in Vol. 2. Was that cut, or am I just imagining things?

I posted a pic of it one of the zillion Kill Bill threads here. It was a closeup shot of the The Bride as she was beaten up. And there was another pic I saw....Lemme see if I can find it....Here:
http://www.cgnetworks.com/stories/20...lbill/kb04.jpg

cultshock 04-23-04 12:57 AM

If there really was such a segment, I hope it shows up somewhere, either as a deleted scene, or in the eventual extended cut.

John Spartan 04-23-04 01:22 AM

I think that's a good point about Bill's abilities. If you're a movie nerd (as I think everyone here is to some extent), you probably already knew that Bill was supposed to be the ultimate bad ass in every form of combat. You've probably read about the story and what not. If you're just a regular person, you might not get the sense that he's a good swordfighter at all. You know he's probably sneaky and devious and good with a gun, so you still have the sense of danger. But a deadly swordsman? Not really.

Maybe it's for the better, as he hardly put up an epic fight anyway.

harosa 04-23-04 05:39 AM

My arguement with that is, even if we are movie nerds, we only know he's supposed to be a bad ass because we read it somewhere that Joe Everybody didnt? Im going more by whats onscreen, sure the man had charisma but I didnt get the fact he could handle himself without a gun, and that was something I wish was in the movie.

Jackskeleton 04-23-04 12:26 PM

The guy shot his former worker pointblank in the head when she told him she was preggos with his kid.

That makes him one bad mofo in my book.

TCG 04-24-04 04:05 AM


Originally posted by Jackskeleton
The guy shot his former worker pointblank in the head when she told him she was preggos with his kid.

That makes him one bad mofo in my book.

Preggos?! where are you from?

anyway, i think one small hint that Bill's a bad MFer is that he fights Pai Mei and leaves with just a cut in his head.

but, imo, the fight with him and MJW would have made him seem like a real fighter bc we could see it; instead we just think he's an old man who HIRES others to kick ass.

Jackskeleton 04-24-04 04:47 AM

MFer?!?!!? Where are you from? LOLOMGBBQ!!!!1111

the fight with Micheal Jai White would have introduced him twice. In a film that was already running long, It would have only slowed down the story more.

TCG 04-24-04 04:54 AM

oh, i see. you must be from IMOBTWPSSOCALROTLAMST3KCEOT3K?#@!$%&*!

that explains it.

Jackskeleton 04-24-04 05:12 AM

:confused:

Uh yeah. Whatever you say.

Drop 04-24-04 08:39 AM

Oh no, the easy coast west coast feud has even seeped it's way into DVDtalk. Make it stop.

Anyway, I think it'll be cool to see this fight, but I really like how he's introduced in V2. And I don't think it is necessary for anyone to see the fight to get a feeling Bill is so badass. Just the way he talked and presented himself told me he is the biggest, baddest man alive.

V-ism 04-24-04 03:07 PM

The missing fight I'm most disappointed about was the one they never filmed. It was a gun fight that was in the rough draft of the script. It was the best one to me, and really intense.

Jackskeleton 04-24-04 03:36 PM

Go Go's sisters revenge. yeah, it would have been cool. :(

matome 04-24-04 03:39 PM

Yep, we would've seen the demise of the
Spoiler:
P**** Wagon,
which I was looking for in Vol 2.

Giles 04-24-04 05:24 PM


Originally posted by Jackskeleton
MFer?!?!!? Where are you from? LOLOMGBBQ!!!!1111

the fight with Micheal Jai White would have introduced him twice. In a film that was already running long, It would have only slowed down the story more.

what is the importance or Michael Jai White's character anyway?

cultshock 04-24-04 11:18 PM

I'm curious, Michael Jai White's character doesn't seem to be in original script. In the script I read, Bill's introduction was in an LA hotel room that had a craps game going on. White's scene as seen in the trailers seems different. Was this changed in later drafts of the script?

Also, the scene where Yuki tries to avenge GoGo would have been cool. She seemed even crazier and could have ended up being a very memorable film character. Too bad it was cut before filming.

Mondo Kane 04-25-04 12:07 AM


Originally posted by cultshock
Also, the scene where Yuki tries to avenge GoGo would have been cool. She seemed even crazier and could have ended up being a very memorable film character. Too bad it was cut before filming.
Keep in mind that Yuki was supposed to be more psychotic than GoGo, But little Tarantino know that this eventually would spread over into 2 volumes.

I'm curious, Michael Jai White's character doesn't seem to be in original script. In the script I read, Bill's introduction was in an LA hotel room that had a craps game going on. White's scene as seen in the trailers seems different. Was this changed in later drafts of the script?
From the script I browsed though, "Da Mo" has more than a few lines to say. And He certainly showed enough substance in the early trailers that he was a force to be reckoned with. But there's a Fangoria issue that shows what the outcome of his fight with Bill looks like. Regardless, I'm dying to see it in it's full glory,


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