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Old 04-23-04 | 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by Patman
Is there a point to all the other pieces of origami that Gaff leaves behind locations, plus the matchstick man?
The chicken - Gaff is mocking Deckard for being too chicken to take the job.

The man with the erection - Deckard is getting too close to Rachael.

The unicorn - Gaff knows Deckard's memories, or he's telling Deckard, "go on and have your fantasy."

Originally posted by SilverScreen
He bleeds real red blood, he has bones that can be broke, he has normal senses, he can be snuck up on by a replicant, his strength is normal for a human, he feels pain, he has normal human endurance, I could go on and on and on....
It's obvious from the movie that the replicants are genetically designed, not made out of bolts and metal. Also, Rachael was a replicant and she didn't have superhuman strength. Didn't the book mention that there were replicants with different levels of ability (in terms of strength, intelligence, etc.)? If replicants can feel emotions like love, why can't they feel pain? It would also be stupid to give a replicant superhuman abilities when you're trying to make it believe it was human.

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Old 04-23-04 | 08:49 AM
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At the point where Gaff leaves the stickman, how does he know Deckard has the hots for Rachel? Gaff was not in the room at Tyrell, and we don't know if Gaff reviewed the interrogation of Rachel by Deckard.

Also, isn't Rachel a Nexus 6 model (if we are to believe what Bryant says when he sends Deckard and Gaff to go talk to it at the Tyrell building)? Aren't Nexus 6 models supposed to be dangerous?

Regarding the construction of replicants, they seem to be put together (why the focus on the eye maker, otherwise). Maybe their bodies are grown, but some parts inside need to be upgradable via "firmware" for memory implants in their "CPU area (i.e. their brains) to function like humans. Perhaps it's organic electronics that allows for implanting memories or imbueing them with higher brain functions.
Old 04-23-04 | 12:07 PM
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The stick man with the erection is Gaff's little way of calling Deckart a "hard on"
Old 04-23-04 | 12:09 PM
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If Gaff knows that Deckard is a replicant, why does he throw back Deckard's gun back to him (right after Roy expires)? Why would a blade runner give a replicant a gun back?
It's a sign of mercy. Gaff know's Deckart is gonna' need it now that he's on the run. He lets Rachel live, he gives Deckart his gun, and basicly says, "Get the f*** out of here."
Old 04-23-04 | 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Patman
Is there a point to all the other pieces of origami that Gaff leaves behind locations, plus the matchstick man?
There most certainly is. Gaff is taunting Deckard when he bolts for the door in Bryant's office by making an origami chicken. Gaff detests Deckard to an extent, always has. When Gaff makes the little man with the erection out of a match, it's because he knows Deckard has a hard-on for Rachael. He knows that in the end he may decide to run off with her.
Old 04-23-04 | 12:46 PM
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It's a sign of mercy. Gaff know's Deckart is gonna' need it now that he's on the run. He lets Rachel live, he gives Deckart his gun, and basicly says, "Get the f*** out of here."
It's really a rather tragic ending, you don't even know if these two people make it out of the building alive. All his talk makes me even more impatient for that DVD release.
Old 04-23-04 | 03:24 PM
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But how does Gaff know that Deckard has a hard-on for Rachel when Gaff makes the stick-man at Leon's place. Gaff didn't see the interaction between Deckard and Rachel at Tyrell's place, and we only know that they listened to the interrogation of Leon while flying to his last known address.
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Originally posted by Patman
But how does Gaff know that Deckard has a hard-on for Rachel when Gaff makes the stick-man at Leon's place. Gaff didn't see the interaction between Deckard and Rachel at Tyrell's place
We know that Gaff was there at Tyrell's. Gaff was the one who flew Deckard there in his flying police car. Also, once Deckard was done with the Rachel interview, Gaff flew him to Leon's hotel room at the Yukon. Who the hell knows what happens or what is talked about off-camera between the two from the end of the Voight-Kampff test to the arrival at Leon's place. Gaff just notices the changes in Deckard. Thats enough for me.

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Old 04-23-04 | 09:13 PM
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If Deckard was a replicant, obviously his makers didn't activate the pain inhibitors of his central nervous system like they did with the off-world replicants.
Old 04-23-04 | 11:08 PM
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That's why you buy the Criterion Laserdisc and you live like me. in denial.

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Old 04-23-04 | 11:16 PM
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I also feel that Deckard is a replicant. But the evidence is not conclusive. You could explain away a lot of the so-called evidences as coincidences.
Old 04-23-04 | 11:36 PM
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Does anyone know if the supposed upcoming multi-disc edition of the film is going to have something resembling the theatrical cut? My Criterion LD ain't gonna last forever, you know.
Old 04-24-04 | 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by mookiemeister
I also feel that Deckard is a replicant. But the evidence is not conclusive. You could explain away a lot of the so-called evidences as coincidences.
I don't think so. What is the point of the unicorn dream if not as a direct way to show that Deckard is a replicant?

There's absolutly no point to that scene except to show us what Deckard really is. Open and shut.
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So, Deckard is a replicant and Scott is an idiot for destroying the core themes of his own movie in a lame attempt to try and "wow" the audience with a twist ending.
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I think it could go either way. Interpret it the way you want and just enjoy it.
Old 04-24-04 | 03:55 AM
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speaking of which, WHERE is the SE of this fine film?!

btw, i think he is a replicant.
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OK, two more questions:

First....Wasn't Rachel supposed to be a unique one-of-a-kind test replicant? They hadn't yet released the "feature" into production models. The big difference, according to Tyrell, was that she had implanted memories. Remember the other four replicants didn't. They is why it took 100 questions on the VK for Deckard to realize Rachel was in fact a replicant. So.... was Deckard also a one-of-a-kind test replicant like Rachel? That is the ONLY way that Gaff might know about the unicorn dream, if the unicorn dream was implanted.

Second.... About the unicorn dream itself. Rachel had a whole lifetime of memories implanted, even a whole summer of watching a spider spin a web. How did Gaff know that Deckard had that particular unicorn dream at that particular moment in time? We all have a life time of memories. What are the chances that someone is going to guess the precise dream we have at a precise time? Also, memories are not the same as dreams. Where does it say that the replicants are implanted with dreams? And again, RACHEL would be the only one implanted with memories and/or dreams as the "one-of-a-kind" new experimental replicant.
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Also, wouldn't Tyrell have some knowledge of Deckard getting the same implanted memories treatment (going by the original theatrical release with the voiceover narration which gives some details of Deckard's past as he knew it) if it was such a evolutionary way to create replicants that are easier to manage?

If going by the original version, I just don't buy the Deckard as replicant theory.
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Despite Scott saying explicitly that Deckard is a replicant decades later, the original intention of the film was just to suggest to possibility that Deckard is a replicant. As beefjerky said, it's open to interpretation.

However, regarding the last two posters' questions:

Tyrell could be lying. He may know that Deckard is a replicant, since after all he would've been privy to Deckard's construction. Tyrell called Rachel an experiment, he never said she was unique. Remember that Tyrell wouldn't tell Rachel if she was a replicant or not, especially after the test. I could see Tyrell being amused by the situation of one replicant that doesn't know he's one testing another replicant that doesn't know she's one.

As for the unicorn "dream," it's not an unconscious dream, but rather a conscious fantasy or daydream Deckard has. Since it was evoked while looking at pictures of his past, it could very well be a reoccurring daydream that he, or his memories, has had many times. I don't see why this wouldn't have been transferred over in a memory implant.

So while it's open to interpretation, I don''t think these two points exclude the possibility that Deckard is a replicant. I also don't think the possibility destroy's Scott's core theme, which is "what is human?"

As for the SE DVD of this film, it was reportedly going to contain three cuts of the film, the original theatrical cut, the new and final director's cut, and a workprint of the film. Unfortunately the SE release is in limbo, since the production company that owns the rights to the film shows no inclination to authorize a new release. More info can be found here:
www.brmovie.com
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How did Gaff know that Deckard had that particular unicorn dream at that particular moment in time?
Recurring dream?
Old 07-28-04 | 08:20 AM
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Question about Blade Runner

OK its been awhile since ive seen this film but one thing has always bugged me about the plot.

How come they cant just Xray or scan someone to see if they have any artificial parts inside?

Even that stripper had an artificial snake that had a serial number on its scales. Wouldnt an artificial person have something synthetic inside them? Their hair? Did they have NO plastic or metal moving parts inside them? In their heads? Do they have human DNA?
Old 07-28-04 | 09:21 AM
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I know that replicants aren't part mechanical. They're genetically engineered, biological organisms.
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so... almost like clones?

Wouldnt they have a specific DNA? How come they have 'super strength'?
Old 07-28-04 | 09:54 AM
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How come they have 'super strength'?
Because they can be engineered any way Tyrell chooses. Not all have super-strength, mostly just the ones used for intense labor.
Old 07-28-04 | 09:58 AM
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I know that replicants aren't part mechanical. They're genetically engineered, biological organisms.

right.


Roy...."We're no machines, we're real"


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